STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[Yume]

Also,

Spoiler: OwO

Peridot became one of us halfway through day 2

[Creature]

Wow

Welp, I am undecided, if farside22 can't win with scum, they can't turn against us.

[Creature]

Do you think it's possible scum has a fakeclaim that affects a town role?

[Not Chara]

farside can win by herself, with points. but if she fails that, she wins with town.
there is no way i can imagine her as groupscum.

Cerb, i should also point out that i mentioned (as soon as the beachapalooza results were announced, before farside came online) that neither of us were confirmed town because it was possible for scum to fake a full town vote.

pedit: i'm not sure what you're asking? what do you mean 'affects'?

[Not Chara]

the above was in the hood, not in the main thread.

[farside22]

Were there different factions in the prequel too? Hmm maybe I should look at that
So...far do you think the traitor would be in that faction? Is skybird a crystal gem too? You're reading both as scum...so you think Therere more than 1 scumz in that group?

Idk the gem claim and kling flip is questionable. I'm not a steven universe fan in the slightest but how is Connie a gem? I just thought that was steven crush, again not sure.
Last I watched the show there was steven and 3 gems.
I'm not going out of my way to verify that.

Anyways long story short, I'm not focusing on these claims and more about interaction, comments made, why players change reads, why for example sky went from town reading all day 2 to have a sudden scum read for weak reason's she hasn't explained.
Moi is again play style, he's not a sheeped, you remember the cartoon mafia game that ended. He's a tuneller, but he could care less if you were an ic he's just as stubborn with his reads as Titus and myself.
He's mentioned one scum read thus far and then proceeded to kiss ass to Titus.
That and a skybird scum read here : http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8383217 so how is that they are the same faction?
Shrug that makes no sense to me.

[kraskaesque]

Ok some clarification: All this time I thought crystal gems weren't informed who their mates are and played individually, which is why I assumed all people with 3rd party win conditions fell under the crystal gems umbrella. Yume's recent posts suggested she had in on who's with her which is why I asked

[Titus]

VOTE: farside
Snarky won't belynched until she's dealt with.

mastin, we can lynch Snarky after farside uses her ability. fair?

my opinion is that there's an anti-town (more likely scum,) gem mixed in with the actual Crystal Gems. the genuine CGs are not against us, that i'm very confident about.

I agree. I will help policy Snarky if Farside does not flip so we get a lynch but Snarky will be flipping town.

[Titus]

Ok some clarification: All this time I thought crystal gems weren't informed who their mates are and played individually, which is why I assumed all people with 3rd party win conditions fell under the crystal gems umbrella. Yume's recent posts suggested she had in on who's with her which is why I asked

They do. Farside is

not

a crystal gem.

[Almost50]

@Mastina / @Titus:

Can we please drop the "I think" and only use the "I know"?? It's really getting to me that each of you has her own "couple of players" she insists on being Town for no apparent reason. Well, not one that I can see anyway.

Creature is not clear to me, nor to Titus it appears. Mastina prefers to think he's clear, or leaning so. WHY?

Doubt is still being casted on Skybird for no apparent reason it seems, despite Yume basically confirming her identity.

In my owm small world, there's only a handful (actually TWO hands-full) of players I've managed to deduce their flavour. I still don't know who Pearl is. I have a couple of candidates, but Creature isn't one of them.

RR is also being suspected for no reason at all, except maybe paranoia.

Defense of FB's poor play and mudslinging towards conf!Town is weird. The fact Kling flipped and we're still letting DGB live is sickening. And so on, and so on.

Now, please: If you have INFO; SHARE IT! If you don't, then don't give me false signs of someone's guilt/innocence. Sheeping doesn't -at all- feel good to me unless I do have an idea of what we're going for/against.

Thank you.

[Not Chara]

if Skybird is actually Connie, she's human.

Jasper (traitor) being a fake CG could be possible. as in, a CG being the fakeclaim for whoever is Jasper.

farside is Kevin, a human. definitely not a CG.

[Titus]

farside can win by herself, with points. but if she fails that, she wins with town.
there is no way i can imagine her as groupscum.

Cerb, i should also point out that i mentioned (as soon as the beachapalooza results were announced, before farside came online) that neither of us were confirmed town because it was possible for scum to fake a full town vote.

pedit: i'm not sure what you're asking? what do you mean 'affects'?

Well, you cannot imagine Farside lying. That's great. Moving on..

[kraskaesque]

Ok some clarification: All this time I thought crystal gems weren't informed who their mates are and played individually, which is why I assumed all people with 3rd party win conditions fell under the crystal gems umbrella. Yume's recent posts suggested she had in on who's with her which is why I asked

They do. Farside is

not

a crystal gem.

I don't recall anyone mentioning this in thread before...no wonder I was so confused :/

[Not Chara]

Titus, when i said 'i cannot imagine farside being groupscum' i meant i could not imagine lynchproof groupscum that can blow up alliances and strongarm half a lynch on her lonesome using points. all are provable.
but thanks for discrediting the thought i've put into reading farside since we began our alliance. it makes me feel fantastic.

[Titus]

@Mastina / @Titus:

Can we please drop the "I think" and only use the "I know"?? It's really getting to me that each of you has her own "couple of players" she insists on being Town for no apparent reason. Well, not one that I can see anyway.

Creature is not clear to me, nor to Titus it appears. Mastina prefers to think he's clear, or leaning so. WHY?

Doubt is still being casted on Skybird for no apparent reason it seems, despite Yume basically confirming her identity.

In my owm small world, there's only a handful (actually TWO hands-full) of players I've managed to deduce their flavour. I still don't know who Pearl is. I have a couple of candidates, but Creature isn't one of them.

RR is also being suspected for no reason at all, except maybe paranoia.

Defense of FB's poor play and mudslinging towards conf!Town is weird. The fact Kling flipped and we're still letting DGB live is sickening. And so on, and so on.

Now, please: If you have INFO; SHARE IT! If you don't, then don't give me false signs of someone's guilt/innocence. Sheeping doesn't -at all- feel good to me unless I do have an idea of what we're going for/against.

Thank you.

OK, I will answer the parts directed at me.

1) RR had an all likely town wagon on them day 2.
2) RR didn't vote SirCakez until they had to. I basically forced them into it in the hood.
3) RR has abandoned his prior statements of all late negative utility claimers get lynched.
4) The beach votes suggest someone intelligent and saavy about vote analysis as scum.

The doubt on Skybird is real due to the lack of scumhunting, and I feel Yume is being lied to.

I think Creature is scum.

[Titus]

Titus, when i said 'i cannot imagine farside being groupscum' i meant i could not imagine lynchproof groupscum that can blow up alliances and strongarm half a lynch on her lonesome using points. all are provable.
but thanks for discrediting the thought i've put into reading farside since we began our alliance. it makes me feel fantastic.

So, you're using setup speculation to clear Farside?
Even if we suppose that Farside is honest, she's still 3p, which still needs death.

I don't see how that discredits you. I have been trying to watch that. But I think Farside deliberately set out to play you.

[farside22]

Ok some clarification: All this time I thought crystal gems weren't informed who their mates are and played individually, which is why I assumed all people with 3rd party win conditions fell under the crystal gems umbrella. Yume's recent posts suggested she had in on who's with her which is why I asked

I assumed by the claim that moi was brought into the gems, which is why I don't see how the scum read of skybird makes sense if they are working on a common goal.

[farside22]

Titus, when i said 'i cannot imagine farside being groupscum' i meant i could not imagine lynchproof groupscum that can blow up alliances and strongarm half a lynch on her lonesome using points. all are provable.
but thanks for discrediting the thought i've put into reading farside since we began our alliance. it makes me feel fantastic.

So, you're using setup speculation to clear Farside?
Even if we suppose that Farside is honest, she's still 3p, which still needs death.

I don't see how that discredits you. I have been trying to watch that. But I think Farside deliberately set out to play you.

The gems are 3rd party......
At which point to you admit this is you just wanting to lynch me for personal reasons, rather the seeing me as scum?

[kraskaesque]

Titus, when i said 'i cannot imagine farside being groupscum' i meant i could not imagine lynchproof groupscum that can blow up alliances and strongarm half a lynch on her lonesome using points. all are provable.
but thanks for discrediting the thought i've put into reading farside since we began our alliance. it makes me feel fantastic.

Yeah the lynchproof part alone should give people pause. also, Pretty sure far would know better than to publicly blow up an alliance as scum

[Yume]

@Mastina / @Titus:

Can we please drop the "I think" and only use the "I know"?? It's really getting to me that each of you has her own "couple of players" she insists on being Town for no apparent reason. Well, not one that I can see anyway.

Creature is not clear to me, nor to Titus it appears. Mastina prefers to think he's clear, or leaning so. WHY?

Doubt is still being casted on Skybird for no apparent reason it seems, despite Yume basically confirming her identity.

In my owm small world, there's only a handful (actually TWO hands-full) of players I've managed to deduce their flavour. I still don't know who Pearl is. I have a couple of candidates, but Creature isn't one of them.

RR is also being suspected for no reason at all, except maybe paranoia.

Defense of FB's poor play and mudslinging towards conf!Town is weird. The fact Kling flipped and we're still letting DGB live is sickening. And so on, and so on.

Now, please: If you have INFO; SHARE IT! If you don't, then don't give me false signs of someone's guilt/innocence. Sheeping doesn't -at all- feel good to me unless I do have an idea of what we're going for/against.

Thank you.

OK, I will answer the parts directed at me.

1) RR had an all likely town wagon on them day 2.
2) RR didn't vote SirCakez until they had to. I basically forced them into it in the hood.
3) RR has abandoned his prior statements of all late negative utility claimers get lynched.
4) The beach votes suggest someone intelligent and saavy about vote analysis as scum.

The doubt on Skybird is real due to the lack of scumhunting, and I feel Yume is being lied to.

I think Creature is scum.

What I said in the PT is true. Scum wouldn't act scummy on purpose.

[farside22]

Titus, when i said 'i cannot imagine farside being groupscum' i meant i could not imagine lynchproof groupscum that can blow up alliances and strongarm half a lynch on her lonesome using points. all are provable.
but thanks for discrediting the thought i've put into reading farside since we began our alliance. it makes me feel fantastic.

Yeah the lynchproof part alone should give people pause. also, Pretty sure far would know better than to publicly blow up an alliance as scum

OR ask the mod to confirm I'm not mason with Firebringer.

[Not Chara]

Titus, do you think Rational and Farside are scum together?

no, setup spec is just another reason on the pile. i'm not advocating for third party death when we have so many scum to kill.
why would farside choose me to pocket? my voice alone isn't enough to stop her lynch, and i was townreading her

before

our alliance.

i didn't mean to say you were discrediting me. sorry. it felt like you were saying i hadn't been giving her claims critical thought. i think i was wrong.

[Creature]

Creature is not clear to me, nor to Titus it appears. Mastina prefers to think he's clear, or leaning so. WHY?

[Yume]

Well, except me, but I am an exception, not a rule. Then again, she did say she is like me.

[McMenno]

VOTE: farside

okay farside we're doing this right