STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[Creature]

Which alliance should I join? Xkfyu/Shadow_step or Skybird/TheFuzzylogic99?

[Creature]

I am being ignored anyway, should I just coast?

[Not Chara]

Fire/farside/skybird/rr***

forget associations, is this actually his scun lineup? i don't believe it could be. there are too many scumreads in the top voters for this team to be at all possible. it requires 6 scum plus Cakez.

[Creature]

Varsoon's first Steven Universe: 25 players, 6 scum

[farside22]

actually, farside, i don't have too many problems with Rational's analysis here. i disagree with the end conclusion but the practice of looking at both sides of the issue isn't fence-sitting here so much as it looks like logical hunting practice.

Shiro: honestly, i have not seen much from you recently to bring my read up to a town one.

Fence sitting is where I find scum hiding.
My gut says he's town, my head reads his post and goes are you sure?

[Titus]

Which alliance should I join? Xkfyu/Shadow_step or Skybird/TheFuzzylogic99?

I need a chart.

This game needs more death.

[kraskaesque]

Fire/farside/skybird/rr***

forget associations, is this actually his scun lineup? i don't believe it could be. there are too many scumreads in the top voters for this team to be at all possible. it requires 6 scum plus Cakez.

Yeah it is!

[farside22]

Which alliance should I join? Xkfyu/Shadow_step or Skybird/TheFuzzylogic99?

I say the first.
There will be more time to discuss.
As for your second question, I don't out guess Varsoon games.

[Creature]

This game needs more death.

Yeah, I play better when there are 13 or less players left.

[kraskaesque]

Also let's talk about the fact that moi's scum reads don't really add up? That team line-up seems really farfetched if you read far/rr/skybird interactions. Inb4 "distancing" nope that doesn't look anything like distancing

Elaborate please.

Alright I'll get back to this tomorrow morning

[farside22]

Fire/farside/skybird/rr***

forget associations, is this actually his scun lineup? i don't believe it could be. there are too many scumreads in the top voters for this team to be at all possible. it requires 6 scum plus Cakez.

Yeah it is!

Kraska is correct it is.

[Reasonably Rational]

Which alliance should I join? Xkfyu/Shadow_step or Skybird/TheFuzzylogic99?

Either Creature? I think Titus' suggested alliances had you with skybird and fuzzy, , sorta depends on what your goal is?

-Cerb

[Not Chara]

Varsoon's first Steven Universe: 25 players, 6 scum

count again, i just said that scum lineup requires 7 scum.
and the traitor cooperating with thr scumteam. (and included in that 7)

[Creature]

sorta depends on what your goal is?

If everybody gets to have an alliance.

[Titus]

With the third party, it balances, plus Farside might just be evil without being groupscum not triggering the vote requirement.

[Not Chara]

farside, what i mean is it doesn't look like Rational is fence-sitting. that post is a very explicit 'farside is scum'.

[Reasonably Rational]

Drixx: *whose idea it was to vote for it, not her.

I'm so sorry. I've been really good about it all game too. Please know it's not intentional; I work with languages and the short "a" sound to end a name is so overwhelmingly feminine across so many languages that it's just defaulted. I'm sorry I didn't think clearly about it.

You'll still die?

Nope.

Welcome to day 3 part 2.
I hope you enjoyed part one.
Please keep your hands in the vehicle at all times as we come back to no votes on anyone.

@Mastina / @Titus:

Can we please drop the "I think" and only use the "I know"?? It's really getting to me that each of you has her own "couple of players" she insists on being Town for no apparent reason. Well, not one that I can see anyway.

Creature is not clear to me, nor to Titus it appears. Mastina prefers to think he's clear, or leaning so. WHY?

Doubt is still being casted on Skybird for no apparent reason it seems, despite Yume basically confirming her identity.

In my owm small world, there's only a handful (actually TWO hands-full) of players I've managed to deduce their flavour. I still don't know who Pearl is. I have a couple of candidates, but Creature isn't one of them.

RR is also being suspected for no reason at all, except maybe paranoia.

Defense of FB's poor play and mudslinging towards conf!Town is weird. The fact Kling flipped and we're still letting DGB live is sickening. And so on, and so on.

Now, please: If you have INFO; SHARE IT! If you don't, then don't give me false signs of someone's guilt/innocence. Sheeping doesn't -at all- feel good to me unless I do have an idea of what we're going for/against.

Thank you.

OK, I will answer the parts directed at me.

1) RR had an all likely town wagon on them day 2.
2) RR didn't vote SirCakez until they had to. I basically forced them into it in the hood.
3) RR has abandoned his prior statements of all late negative utility claimers get lynched.
4) The beach votes suggest someone intelligent and saavy about vote analysis as scum.

The doubt on Skybird is real due to the lack of scumhunting, and I feel Yume is being lied to.

I think Creature is scum.

1.) That wagon happened in the first few hours of the day and consisted of Mastin going "Do my bidding" and a bunch of people sheeping on before sanity could set in.

2.) Umm... I was in fucking JAIL when that happened. You (and everyone who has EVER played with him) know that Cerberus asks questions until he's sure of things. Prior to me being unavailable (for reasons you are well aware of), I voted SC, and it was LONG before you said shit in the PT. It was after Cerb went through his ISO. I made the general comment that SC's response was basically "I give up", without giving any specifics (that's what we call a reaction test in the land of the non-moon-logic) and SC came back and flailed hard for me saying that. I then voted him. I think got arrested for something stupid (Again: something you are well aware of). Then it got revealed that SC was providing significant bonuses to a bunch of people. Then Cerb asked questions to clarify the claim and see if it could be corroborated since SC was in two alliances, because that's what Cerb fucking does. Neither of us are sheep, and when I read through the last part of day one that I was not present during, I found it quite reasonable to say "hang on a sec, let's check this out" and ask questions,

especially

in light of what still looks to me like a staged fight between SC and Farside which resulted in Farside blowing up the joy ride alliance.

3.) We haven't abandoned shit. I've been building the case against Farside basically non stop. The problem is that you just want me to look at only the negative and not consider anything that might be on the other side of the scales. I'm sorry but I don't work that way, and neither does Cerb. We consider the totality of things. At this point, even taking away the joy ride points thing because apparently the joy ride would have expired (I was under the impression it would stay going and Farside breaking it up was a huge deal, but someone said that it would have ended and thus could not have contributed 12 points), a rational analysis of Farside has like 10x the weight on the scum side than on the not scum side. There's some small reasons for reservations, but nothing that has caused either of us to say we disagree.

3a.) Furthermore, you have two REALLY good reasons to realize why Farside isn't the right lynch today. One of them is public info: she can just say "nope" and reset things and says she gains points out of it. So sure, we could run her up just to prove that. Or you could take into account what you know that most others don't and put 2 and 2 together.

4.) LOL. Did you just suggest we're scum because VCA when we both reject VCA? Large scale trends and probabilities don't apply to individual situations. If there's any value in VCA, it's in psychologically reading people, and that's not our thing. I do agree with you that it looks like someone went to some effort to hinder our event from doing as much PoE as it could have. It's right there with that 3rd place person with 5 points. Whose idea was it to vote Not Chara again? Oh yeah ... Farside.


I really don't want to repeat SD2, so I'm just going to tell you that you're pissing me off with your bullshit misrepresentation and you need to stop it before it escalates. I'm sitting here carefully building an irrefutable case against Farside (See: things like me getting Not Chara to tell us whose idea it was to vote for her, which is the primary thing that gave scum cover to claim fake votes or not having voted). You, on the other hand, apparently have missed all those posts but somehow managed to read the sentence here or there where I acknowledged there are some reasons to be less than absolutely sure. How the fuck does that happen? The ratio of me making a case against farside compared to me admitting there are small reasons to doubt is like 10:1, at least.

Holy fuck Titus. Get your shit together.

~Drixx

I've have never seen a player call me scummy for vague reasoning and then say I'm possibly telling the truth in such a way that my head just went Wtf is this shit.

There's nothing vague about the scummy things I've pointed out in assembling a case against you. I've gone into quite some detail, in fact.

You have acted objectively scummy. You knew the Beach-a-palooza event was specifically intended to be used for PoE by conftowns (including Titus who freaking popped IC). There's absolutely no reason for you to have done that except to advance the idea that the point total made you "conftown", except you've already admitted you aren't town after your attempt to say the points made you conftown got blown up.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

@Cerb, I have already promised to not vote Farside but my town read if Farside survives which PAINS me to do.

We can sort out my replies to your wall in there.

Yume has not told me your flavor.

Yume has our permission to pass along who we are.

[Reasonably Rational]

farside, what i mean is it doesn't look like Rational is fence-sitting. that post is a very explicit 'farside is scum'.

Thank you. I was getting ready to pull out the "Repeat a lie often enough and people will believe it" quote.

~Drixx

[Creature]

Oh right

"that makes me conftown"
"but im actually third party lol"

[Yume]

@Cerb, I have already promised to not vote Farside but my town read if Farside survives which PAINS me to do.

We can sort out my replies to your wall in there.

Yume has not told me your flavor.

The bolded is a either a lie or you don't remember.

[Reasonably Rational]

Well, I was arguably fence sitting, but it was EXTREMELY deliberate, because I refused to give her more points towards her win con when I'm aware of things which may assist in dealing with her situation , AND because if the lynch pushed her over the threshold for her win....then it's the same as if we just mislynched, except we DO get another try if she wasn't lying...but we're that much closer to losing.

-Cerb

[Creature]

Mod

Can you prod TheFuzzylogic99 and DrippingGoofball?

[Reasonably Rational]

Oh right

"that makes me conftown"
"but im actually third party lol"

Yeah ... that particular point I thought was really funny. I was trying to keep my post serious though. Like ... you have to admit that Farside has some big cajones.

~Drixx

[Creature]

Or posting in the scum PT counts as activity?

[farside22]

Since this Beach vote thing is bogging down and I don’t think my vote will make things any clearer I’m just going to claim it now. I voted Reasonably Rational because I had to make a quick decision and I didn’t see any point in flipping Titus (who was confirmed by the Mod). RR made the beach event happen and from the rules it is stated scum have Pro-Town looking Events so on gut I decided to vote for them based solely on the level of freak-out I saw while spectating about “My event is so Town and you are trying to lynch me before it happens”.

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Why isn't MoI telling us to lynch him for this effect?

Because Yume never discussed the idea with me at all and this came out of right field. She’s probably correct now that I’ve looked at the mechanics of it.

And I don’t think Yume’s “I need the gun” for the same reason would work.

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Just vig xk #justdoit

No. This would be stupid and I’m getting sick of seeing this as your only contributions to the game.

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Farside isn't the only scum, assuming they are. Can you tell me who else you would lynch?

Already said I’d lynch Firebringer for the way he’s handled his interaction with Yume which is in his scum-play basket.

The point on Skybird being made about that reads-list is absolutely valid in that those scum reads are “Lurker, Lurker, VI” which in a game this size is suspect. I don’t know Skybird from Adam but just seeing that scum pool was enough with what little information I have for me to be content voting there given the game-state.

Maybe Kraskaesque for the whole “What’s the Cluster” business. I have only been skim following along as a Spectator and I know exactly what the Cluster event is.

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Why argue about it. Klingy's flip should definitively say whether or not DGB is scum, wait for that.

Fill me in on why exactly this is …

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This is scum skybird.
Just an fyi

Are you voting Skybird then? If not why not if that is scum Skybird?

Yume shad stuff I think was day 1, where yume barely engaged in the PT. She just floated around giving vague reads. Mastin claimed the mason thing but I don't see why anyone should believe that from jump.

Is this you trying to sell Yume as scum?

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@Moi & grapes (also kindly, Shadow & kraska, please)

Day 1 – None
Day 2 – Klingon
Day 3 – None

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Like how in the fuck was Klingon town or killed?
Kind of also feel responsible for her death too

Yeah, this is probably scum Firebringer.

Especially with all the “You have bad judgement” ironic attacks on Yume going on.

I don't think Fire is scum here.

I disagree. His attacking reaction to Yume being basically confirmed Town and his “MoI is a Dick” reaction to me calling him scum is absolutely in his scum game. Now that the game is over I can provide the link and posts that support this meta from Firebringer.

Recently ended Kids TV Character Game by Eleven. Firebringer was scum.

First let me highlight how he treats players who should be confirmed Town. Late-game we set up a plan where I would Commuterize Zulfy. There was one scum left. A kill by the Mafia that Night confirmed Zulfy wasn’t scum. Firebringer killed me that Night and tried to peddle “Oh, MoI went against the plan and Commuterized me instead” to attack Zulfy.

the only one I can possibly think it is Zulfy.
Maybe we should no lynch and let transcend shoot?

And how he reacts to Town me calling out his obvious fake-claim was obvious. Remember at this stage it is clear I am the only person claiming a Town protective role when two Mafia kills had been thwarted.

I personally don't have any sort of Town read on Firebringer given his lackluster play and claim. Tra

What the fuck is this?

Magna or Snowstorm.
Thats it.

Firebringer's claim stares at me in the face as by far the worst. The claimed RoleCop's make no sense IMO. Day 2's supposed gambit makes no sense from an actual investigation role who confirmed that Spiffeh's slot wasn't lying about being Vanilla (or a Goon). And the Night 3 investigation is terrible given he could have confirmed the role of any of Gamma (which would have been a guilty given his fake-claim), Bro or myself instead of another convienent "Vanilla" investigation. The claim also seems at odds in how it was constructed compared to Grib's claim (but that's MOD WIFOM so it is the least strong of my reasons for suspicion).

I personally don't have any sort of Town read on Firebringer given his lackluster play and claim. Transcend do you have any specific reason why you Town read him so strongly.

And this had a lot of bs in it.

And this little bitter gem from the Scum PT –

Ohhh might get lynched earlier than expected, exciting.

Also fuck magna, did more than his ass all game. I honestly can't remember what magna did for town besides annoy me today.

So Firebringer’s absolute refusal to work with Yume and his reaction to me calling him scum (calling me a Dick) is absolutely in Scum-Firebringer’s wheelhouse.

@Everyone who is on, If you had to pick a scum in RR/Almost/Skybird, who would you pick and why?

Skybird given the reasoning I've already stated (very soft scum reads) and that I don't have scum reads on Almost or RR at this stage.

mostly meta.
I've played tonnes of games with Xk offsite and I've also hydraed with him. This doesn't look like his town game at all.

And yet he isn't scum. So who would your next choice to push be?

What's up with you this game?

VOTE: Xk

This is a wasted vote and continuing to purse it will end up with you being lynched before Xk.

What do you think is odd about me? That I've discussed allying with someone who isn't scum?

NotChara being Town is the only conclusion I will definitively draw from Beech-a-palooza. Anyone trying to sell “Farside is Town also” given the later discussion that maybe scum have 5 total non-Traitor members needs to probably find a line of work that isn’t in sales.

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@Shadow

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What's up with you this game?

VOTE: Xk

Shadow, I'll ally with you.

Cool.

You really need to explain the trajectory here. You were voting Xk for lynch (and thus must still have thought he was scum despite me telling you he isn’t) and yet agreed to ally with him?

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I'm scumreading your posts, in spite of me trying not to.
Thus, why I hate you.

Explain in detail. Because Snarky is never Town in games. Ever. So him appearing as such to you gives me huge pause.

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I'm scumreading your posts, in spite of me trying not to.
Thus, why I hate you.

Well, attempting to put this diplomatically – I don’t really give a shit. Because Yume says you are Town I can set aside your posting as “Typical Mastin ego posting” and not bother to read it in depth as I know you aren’t Mafia. Because otherwise I’d be looking at posts like 7771 and thinking “This has got to be scum agenda posting” because the fact that you are Town-reading TWIE and Creature instinctively makes me think you are scum trying to pocket them.

Because if you have a Masonry with Yume and haven’t been able to put 2 and 2 together that we share the same exact win-con then your posting will continue to mystify me and it’s best I not get distracted by it.

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I'm mocking someone who has a weak reason to vote me.
Moi isn't a sheeping type.

Lol speaking of scum making weak arguments …

The continual attempts to deflect onto Titus ( 7674 as an example ) is reason enough for roping Farside.

“Well I was wrong and didn’t lynch scum but look at this Mod Confirmed Town, they pushed Town once so they are just as bad as I am”

Lol, no.

Titus feels strongly and aggressive and we have a dead townies.
She hasn't changed her reads, but that's OK.

And we have a Mod confirmed Live Town in Titus but you don’t change your ‘reads’ either. Funny how that works, huh scum?

@Snarky

- there's your flip. Explain in detail how it solidified DGB as Town or Scum.

Nah I don't want to lynch Fire unless he's still wrong after we flip a few more.

I think RR, Creature, Farside, Skybird, Shadow. Thoughts?

Totally on board with Farside of course.

RR I'm coming around to - there is a level of holes in their logic that make me think they are playing a very competent scum game otherwise. Top of my mind - their reason for clearing Farside with "Varsoon took my fake-claim from this game and made it a role" when it is just a like that Varsoon could have just taken that fake-claim and made a fake-claim with it. The fact they don't even consider that in their analysis is troubling.

Skybird I could go for also for reasons already stated - a scum list that has Snarky (easy target) and two lurkers. Her play is completely underwhelming. I do need to check with Yume on a few things related to her.

Creature - Meh. For a large game he's playing better than the level I've come to expect but that's simply based on today and isn't really alignment indicative. Something in particular I need to look into?

Here's are some of the scum reads and resonance by moi.
The skybird/rr/fire/far reads all in there.
The interaction between me and sky alone makes this ridiculous to conceive.

Also Chara remember what I said about cakez list an xfyul,l?? Moi defense of him is now adding to that scum read.