Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[SirCakez]

VOTE: slysly

Creature tryharding is NAI (this isn't related to my vote)

[SirCakez]

LOL, I get blamed for someone else suggesting they have inside knowledge prior to Day 1 starting and for calling out the "neighbor" they brought up. You guys are either scum or my gf.

This reaction is terribad

VOTE: slysly

Creature tryharding is NAI (this isn't related to my vote)

Stop voting town. McMenno's RVS on you is bad.

Why is sly town?

VOTE: slysly

Creature tryharding is NAI (this isn't related to my vote)

opinion on House's Creature vote?

It was fine, I can see why he did it.

[SirCakez]

SirCakez will white knight me as null lol

[SirCakez]

Not Chara why are you still sitting on that weak House vote?

[SirCakez]

zakk is great at faking scumhunting as scum
I wouldn't townread him for that yet

[SirCakez]

This is SirCakez.

Most of the players scum hunt and get scumreads.

Some town hunt and seek townreads.

But SirCakez is different, he doesn't do either, he just says who's his nullreads.

Ya I shoot down bad scumreads

zakk is great at faking scumhunting as scum
I wouldn't townread him for that yet

I don't. He's scum, lynch the bastid.

This may distinctly be possible

zakk is great at faking scumhunting as scum
I wouldn't townread him for that yet

I agree. McMenno's scum with Giga, but no one's biting.

Let's help house sort Zakk.

VOTE: Zakk

Say why you think Sly is town first

So what's the flavor? I'm clueless about Undertale.

i'd recommend watching some playthroughs. if you have specific questions, i can answer. my name and avatar are a character from UT.

Not Chara why are you still sitting on that weak House vote?

it's been like fifteen minutes since i voted. why the question? i haven't made up my mind who to seriously push.

Because with how much you've been posting I'd think you would have a developed scumread by now

LET ME POST PLS

[SirCakez]

brb daycopping shiro

Say why you think Sly is town first

He strikes me as Creature 2.0.

Now, vote zakk pls kthx.

This question wasn't aimed at you pls

[SirCakez]

very well
VOTE: zakk
I do still expect an answer Blade

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Giggles

She didn't vote me, must be scum.

i've never voted you before and i've never not rolled town

your logic is faulty

Scared of alts and RVS votes. Probably scum or noob.

His stance to policy lynch day 1 is also Antitown.

Sad scum had the first two posts of the game.

This was for you SirCakez.

This is about a scumread though?
I want to know why you're townreading Sly, not scumreading whoever this was aimed at.

[SirCakez]

Pepto why assume it's town vs 1 scum team?

[SirCakez]

Blade/House why assume it's town vs 1 scum team?

I get your giga scumread fyi
P-edit: It was yeah but House changed my mind

[SirCakez]

Blade/House why assume it's town vs 1 scum team?

I get your giga scumread fyi
P-edit: It was yeah but House changed my mind

Please do not edit quotes. It's annoying to me.

I scumhunt supposing one large scum faction unless proven false.

Sorry, thanks

Pepto why assume it's town vs 1 scum team?

I hadn't considered multiball, though i tend not to until I see evidence. If it is multiball, then yeah giga could be the other scumteam.

-snip-

I was actually thinking of a 3rd-party or SK, given Skull's affinity for those

[SirCakez]

giga, this game has been moving

fast

and there's actually a lot of AI content in the first few pages.

Cakez: why did you assume i don't have scumreads because i hadn't moved my vote? you read my posts, you should have seen that i had some players i was suspicious of.

someone voting them answer: what makes pepto's catch-up really scummy?

I'd expect you to be voting scumreads if you had them....

oh thoughts on mcmenno

none. can't read someone from 3 posts unless they're big posts with a lot of thought process behind them

What is this even responding to?

[SirCakez]

i was scumreading House at the time, i did everything to show that but say so explicitly. i was considering moving my vote but between Sly, gigabyte, and zakk, there were a lot of options and i was in the middle of engaging with them.
your fixation on this point about me not voting immediately is strange. it's the standard 'why aren't you voting your scumread' filler question i've seen thrown around in every game i've been in, but for some reason you won't let go of it.
what's your read on me?

Because usually, someone not moving a vote to a scumread indicates they're either paranoid of getting kickback for their vote (which usually means scum) or is just really forgetful (which could be either alignment) or is trying to get a strong read before voting (which is usually town)
I was trying to deduce which

A vague townlean for the way you've engaged me on this

[SirCakez]

McMenno: why didn't you feel the need to comment before voting pepto?

I don't fucking know

anyway, blade dancer, are you going to keep datamining my posts for reasons to scumread me? because I'm trying to get the actual scum here

as you can hopefully understand the average density of players in recent large themes has made be a bit miffed

Stop deflecting and trying to paint me as an unreasonable player on a witch hunt.

This is flailing.

No it's not

[SirCakez]

McMenno: why didn't you feel the need to comment before voting pepto?

I don't fucking know

anyway, blade dancer, are you going to keep datamining my posts for reasons to scumread me? because I'm trying to get the actual scum here

as you can hopefully understand the average density of players in recent large themes has made be a bit miffed

Stop deflecting and trying to paint me as an unreasonable player on a witch hunt.

This is flailing.

No it's not

Truth.

Y'all have one messed up view of flailing. When the request is scumhunt, and the target responds with you're a big meanie that is flail and deflection.

That's not flailing, that's dodging and being annoying
I consider flailing to be when someone is being scunread widely and continues being scummy in response

[SirCakez]

OK House here's me acquitting myself:

I didn't even know who was wagoning SlySly when I voted him. I didn't check. I didn't care. I just started pushing his wagon because he was scummy, and I encouraged others to vote for him, including you. Does that sound like a scum move to you?

If so, please explain how.

Yes
It's something you'd fake as scum to look town

Actually like this.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

I can't remember a single one of Gamma's posts, what's this about?

Because I feel like Gamma's powerless to play like he does as town.

Wtf does this mean?

[SirCakez]

Reviewed the miller claims and updated reads list:

1. Giga, scum or vi. leaning former.
2. Blade is town.
3. SirCakes is town or good scum.
4. House parroted SirCakes when SirCakes was being scummy, but SirCakes later clarified his position.
5. McKenno, how many scum slips do you wait for before you call someone out on it?
6. Pepto, scum.
7. zakk, leaning town
8. Ankamius - claimed miller and hated
9. Shiro - claimed miller

I'm not against hammering worthless millers but I'd rather hammer a scum.

This constant reads updating definitely gives me town vibes

VOTE: SlySly

Post 80 was bad and you should feel bad.

What about the rest of his posts though?

ZAKK DIDN'T EVEN KNOW I WAS THE ONE THAT STARTED THE SLY WAGON THAT HE'S PUSHING.

HOW IS THAT TOWN?

To be fair House I do that all the time.

Then it's decided: I'm not on board with the Zakk train.
VOTE: SlySly
Seems to fillering.

Wtf does this mean?

Muahaha excellent my plan worked wonderfully

There aren't enough votes on me yet tho... More please

Get me to at least L-2, I have a super great surprise

VOTE: zakk

SlySly seems to be derailing.

??

He's just posting random bullshit.
I can see him being Town though. If he is town, I politely request he get out of jokey RVS mode.
VOTE: zakk

Yeah these two are prob bussing scum

Everybody voting Sly is lynchable.

*thumbs up*

[SirCakez]

1. Giga, scum or vi. leaning former.
2. Blade is town.
3. SirCakes is town or good scum.
4. House parroted SirCakes when SirCakes was being scummy, but SirCakes later clarified his position.
5. McKenno, how many scum slips do you wait for before you call someone out on it?
6. Pepto, scum.
7. zakk, leaning town

caught up now, i'm reviewing the claims to see what i think about all of it. bastard games and millers. death variety? ugh

Reviewed the miller claims and updated reads list:

1. Giga, scum or vi. leaning former.
2. Blade is town.
3. SirCakes is town or good scum.
4. House parroted SirCakes when SirCakes was being scummy, but SirCakes later clarified his position.
5. McKenno, how many scum slips do you wait for before you call someone out on it?
6. Pepto, scum.
7. zakk, leaning town
8. Ankamius - claimed miller and hated
9. Shiro - claimed miller

I'm not against hammering worthless millers but I'd rather hammer a scum.

1. Giga, scum or vi. leaning former.
2. Blade is town.
3. SirCakes is town or good scum.
4. House parroted SirCakes when SirCakes was being scummy, but SirCakes later clarified his position.
5. McKenno, how many scum slips do you wait for before you call someone out on it?
6. Pepto, scum.
7. zakk, leaning town, the begging to surprise everyone at L-2 raises an eyebrow
8. Ankamius - claimed miller and hated
9. Shiro - claimed miller
10. Accountant - town
11. Gamma - challenging all to lynch, raises the same eyebrow as zakk's begging

These posts, I just quoted one of them

[SirCakez]

1. Giga, scum or vi. leaning former.
2. Blade is town.
3. SirCakes is town or good scum.
4. House parroted SirCakes when SirCakes was being scummy, but SirCakes later clarified his position.
5. McKenno, how many scum slips do you wait for before you call someone out on it?
6. Pepto, scum.
7. zakk, leaning town

caught up now, i'm reviewing the claims to see what i think about all of it. bastard games and millers. death variety? ugh

Reviewed the miller claims and updated reads list:

1. Giga, scum or vi. leaning former.
2. Blade is town.
3. SirCakes is town or good scum.
4. House parroted SirCakes when SirCakes was being scummy, but SirCakes later clarified his position.
5. McKenno, how many scum slips do you wait for before you call someone out on it?
6. Pepto, scum.
7. zakk, leaning town
8. Ankamius - claimed miller and hated
9. Shiro - claimed miller

I'm not against hammering worthless millers but I'd rather hammer a scum.

1. Giga, scum or vi. leaning former.
2. Blade is town.
3. SirCakes is town or good scum.
4. House parroted SirCakes when SirCakes was being scummy, but SirCakes later clarified his position.
5. McKenno, how many scum slips do you wait for before you call someone out on it?
6. Pepto, scum.
7. zakk, leaning town, the begging to surprise everyone at L-2 raises an eyebrow
8. Ankamius - claimed miller and hated
9. Shiro - claimed miller
10. Accountant - town
11. Gamma - challenging all to lynch, raises the same eyebrow as zakk's begging

These posts, I just quoted one of them

Those piles of trash he passes off as reads have nothing to do with why i townread him.

Good thing I'm not you!

[SirCakez]

So SirCakez are you going to actually explain why I'm bussing scum or just sit there throwing shade?

Because you jumped on Sly then followed to zakk to fit in after you saw where the wagons were

Cakez: yes, i knew which posts you were talking about. except those aren't really dynamic reads. none of the reads even change, they just get added to. why are they what warranted a townread from you?

Fair, then I like how he's adding to his reads

See Cakez?

This is why you don't present your thought processes on reads.

Everybody loves to nitpick.

ikr

[SirCakez]

I did call you bussing scum in the same post I called Accountant bussing scum

Muahaha excellent my plan worked wonderfully

There aren't enough votes on me yet tho... More please

Get me to at least L-2, I have a super great surprise

VOTE: zakk

SlySly seems to be derailing.

??

He's just posting random bullshit.
I can see him being Town though. If he is town, I politely request he get out of jokey RVS mode.
VOTE: zakk

Yeah these two are prob bussing scum

rekt

[SirCakez]

I scumread the vote switch timing mainly

[SirCakez]

i know, i knew that when you said it, but i wasn't talking about that. i'm talking about your tone. 488?

Cakez: coinciding with thread sentiment against zakk and thr dissolving scumreads against Sly?

Yes that too

[SirCakez]

Anyone could "totally be scum"
The question is if said person is actually scum or not

[SirCakez]

I was being sarcastic pls

[SirCakez]

you were being sarcastic about not being scum?

No the joke about "totally could be scum" was sarcasm

[SirCakez]

no zakk read andrius?
tf is that skull

[SirCakez]

I would also vote gamma but zakk is still scum and zakk!scum is a huge pain in the ass to lynch, so want that out of the way first

[SirCakez]

I am talking about you like a person, a scummy person who is very hard to lynch
pls

[SirCakez]

Everything zakk said this page is AtE or flailing. We need to put him down right now.

^ accurate

I also want to address this post.

zakk is great at faking scumhunting as scum
I wouldn't townread him for that yet

I have played at least five or six games with SirCakez in the last year or so.
In every game where he is scum, he drums up the fact that I'm really good at scum, and that people shouldn't trust me.

Compare

:

Kuribo in Wonderland:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk

Street Fighter Mafia:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk

Mass Effect Mafia:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk

Magical Girls Mafia:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk

Look at the way he constantly doubtcasts me, but ESPECIALLY as scum.

Note that I am town in all of these scenarios.
The only time I've been scum around SirCakez is when we were scum

together

, here:

Killer Instinct Mafia:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66274

So throw that in the pot along with all the votes which have been influenced by SirCakez.

That's all.

I was town in Street Fighter and a pro-town 3rd party in Mass Effect???
I'm always paranoid of you, but this game feels especially different.

whiiiich, brings me back to my post 591 about SirCakez, and he didn't appear to consider the possibility of more than one scum team, which, scum would obviously consider based on the small size of their scum teams.

idk, maybe it's nothing. but it doesn't seem to be nothing. it seems to be something.

and games are won or lost based on the little somethings.

tf
I explicity mentioned the possibility of multiball/3rd parties earlier on.

Still reading up

[SirCakez]

I would also vote gamma but zakk is still scum and zakk!scum is a huge pain in the ass to lynch, so want that out of the way first

wait i thought it was 'don't be too sure he's town'

now it's 'i would vote gamma but zakk is scum'?




tell me more, dear mr. cakez.

You're both scum! I thought I made that obvious.

I am talking about you like a person, a scummy person who is very hard to lynch
pls

idk you said "i want

that

out of the way" about me

feels bad man

No offense meant bro

Blade Dancer is probably Antihero

it's really obvious who Blade is
Hint: not Antihero

That was less exciting than I thought it would be.

Vote: SirCakez

Some of your early posts have really come of as manufactured.

Manufactured? Do tell.
I think this is a town post though.

So thinking it over, Zakk presented a good reason for Cakez to be scum(which makes not voting Cakez really weird). Cakez had made a play that Zakk said was his scum play. He's also seemed generally scummy to me. I'm not as big on the Zakk wagon now so Cakez it is.
VOTE: SirCakez

Meanwhile this is really shitty considering zakk's meta scumtell wasn't even accurate. And "generally scummy" is a really great (not) way to throw shade.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Gamma
I think I like this better then zakk now

Also hi Nahdia

[SirCakez]

OMGUS when I was already scumreading you before you voted me? Seems legit.

[SirCakez]

OMGUS when I was already scumreading you before you voted me? Seems legit.

You see my vote on you, you vote me back
Looks like OMGUS to me.

If this is your definition of OMGUS, then literally anyone who votes someone who is voting them is OMGUSing

That makes no sense

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Gamma
I think I like this better then zakk now

Also hi Nahdia

Why?

@Gamma, if scum bus, let them. Be worried if only scum join.

I hated the way he swapped his votes around to zakk, like I quoted earlier
And his sheeping zakk's (inaccurate) reasoning onto voting me looks awful

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Gamma
I think I like this better then zakk now

Also hi Nahdia

Why?

@Gamma, if scum bus, let them. Be worried if only scum join.

I hated the way he swapped his votes around to zakk, like I quoted earlier
And his sheeping zakk's (inaccurate) reasoning onto voting me looks awful

The timing is rather suspect though. Gamma just happens to get a vote as a counter, and voting Creature for his town game doesn't help much.

Counter to what?
This post has me confuzzled

[SirCakez]

There was a Gamma wagon a while before this wagon on me started forming.
As a counter to zakk, maybe. But it could be multiball, or bussing, etc. I'm not concerned about it.
P-edit: tf is that vote

[SirCakez]

Also I forgot to say this earlier but Giga's replace out post looked very genuine
Pepto's replace out on the other hand looks like his flake out from Mafiaception, where he was scum

[SirCakez]

Pepto got wagoned in Mafiaception, he wordlessly flaked out, he was scum
Same thing happened here

[SirCakez]

And how does that compare to this game?

was this aimed at me?

[SirCakez]

Gamma where have you seen House's scum play?

[SirCakez]

You guys keep posting like 10 pages while I'm at school and it makes me put off catchup and fall further behind and it's an endless cycle
q.q

Gamma where have you seen House's scum play?

I have not. I'm not diving into his giant game history without links.

Then how tf are can you say this is his townplay if you haven't seen his scumplay?

It's relevant. No worthy information will come from their flips or the pressure they receive from a wagon.

How would we get no info from wagoning a miller claim? This is total bs.

also for those of you voting sircakez saying that it was my reasoning that helped you get to that point, you're probably full of shit

because all my posts 565 and 569 really did was show that cakez has a habit of suspecting me, and that his suspicion should be taken with a grain of salt

i didn't create a case for him to be scum, i didn't even say i had a scum read on him. i just said what he has done before, and as which alignment

i don't have a scum read on him, and actually don't think i've considered him scummy more than a couple times this game

so park that wagon, turn it around, and start barking up another tree, comprende? thxxxxx

I think I was the only one, and I changed already.

When do you change this? I saw no indication from you.

Pepto got wagoned in Mafiaception, he wordlessly flaked out, he was scum
Same thing happened here

So if you think he’s scum why is your vote not on the leading wagon?
And if you don’t think he’s scum why bring this fact up?

I do think he's scum but I'm voting another scumread atm.
Also I agree Nahdia/Giga is scummy.

SirCakez wagon should give better results.

Well yeah, we'll see some scum trying to ML me

got like 8 pages left

[SirCakez]

Wanted to see if someone could rise a valid meta argument on SirCakez as I don't exactly know his meta and he's getting away as scum very often.

My scum game has gone to shit recently, not sure what you're talking about.

Town
House is town. So town. +331 +470
Accountant is town. Entry was spectacular. +381 +422
Ankamius is town.
Magna is town. I had a minor hesitation, and I got over it.
McMenno is leaning town. +257
PeregrineV is a townread.
leonshade +427 need more reads. He posted more, will see it when I get there.
SlySly is leaning town.
Creature I don't like his contributions, and I don't think his vote on pepto was good but at the same time he's likely town.
Gamma. Town. This game's notscience, for me. There is one scum-motivation for what he's done, and I don't think he has the will for it.
Shiro. Miniscule of a townread because miller claim.


zakk-166
notchara -associate/gigascum
nosferatu

Scum
peptobislawl. Initial posting scummy. Has since disappeared. If he doesn't come back there will be words. Or bullets.
Gigatroubador. -peptocatchup -211 -234 -337 -lowimpactplayer -439 -465 -470
Giga has a lot of posts, but little impact. There are questions, but I notice little in terms of follow-up or actual consideration. Reminds me of Pathfinder Mafia a bit.
Not Chara - The posture. Posture is terrible - doesn't really make waves or press scumreads. Voted Gamma, backed down almost immediately. There's no drive here. I get the distinct impression Chara's sitting around as scum waiting for something to happen, and then needs to find a convenient way to join that thing happening. Chara joined the Gamma wagon after it was over.
cakez - Leaning.
nosferatu - Leaning.

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zakk/627
1) It was a classification, not specifically for you. No worries.
2) Its been awhile since I've played a game.
3) Haven't played a game with you. Since you're apparently an alt, or have other accounts, you would know if I've seen you in other games. I'm not an alt.
4) I bring it up for Ankamius, namely. So that he and I can understand each other. I cannot recall a game we've been in together and not had each other's backs.
5) Oh, I do. Opinions vary. I, for one, loved the Fate/VV interaction D4/5 in LOTR Mafia. Wiser people than I, like Magna, did not.
6) I'm glad I could be of service. You're interacting with me, so mission accomplished.

And no, I'm nothing special. The Baker isn't exactly a glorious title. No one said what I do was a good job. But someone needs to bake the bread so I do it. And have been doing it this game.

And here you are thinking you know me after I make a post generalizing you. We may yet get along.

Will look into McMenno later since Blade Dancer mentions him a couple times.

zakk/636
I am no longer at a point in my life where I can (or want) to sit logged into MS all day and being constantly up to date. I'm not going to instantly reread things when I think of them. Lives always take precedence.
Do YOU have a solid read on Shiro? Besides for his Miller claim? Beause two posts is insufficient and he's V/LA. So yes, I need to see more from Shiro in order for me to form a solid read on him other than 'oh a miller claim ok he's not scum because scum won't claim miller D1'.
massive hasn't posted yet. I made a list of reads and you nitpick me for explaining why I don't have reads on everyone? Because they are V/LA or haven't posted.
'Throwing swords' is a reference to Pathfinder Mafia that Ankamius will understand. I believe I did it in BSG as well, though I was not a Playwright that game.
How is 'we're still missing a good number of players' anything? We were missing a good number of people, and therefore cannot form reads on people who have not yet posted.

Forgive me, but its almost like you're grasping for anything you can because you've already decided I'm scum and are looking for anything to latch onto.

House/654
It could be because he's guaging interest in a wagon before he drops a vote.
But that's just idle speculation on my part.
He doesn't comment on if that has any bearing on my alignment or how this has affected his read on me, which I find odd given his whole wall is me talking about my reads or lack thereof on players who haven't posted yet for various reasons.

Leonshade contributes +1 read, then disappears.

Just noticed I don't appear anywhere on Accountant's reads list. Hope I've given you more to work with since 669.

Gigabyte's replace out was not town. The setup spec is pointless this early, in a bastard game, and looks like he's faking content. My big thing with you is your connection to him.

687: Oh so now you're all 'oh, maybe someone's actually busy outside of the game'? Ok zakk. Ok.

Don't fault Ank for RVS voting me. Leaving the site during Ori and the Blind Forest at least merits a RVS vote.

No I didn't follow through and vote anyone yet. Neighborize me or something and we can talk about the snowfall.

Not Chara's posture this game bothers me too. I'm not expecting everyone to run around and throw swords but I know where zakk stands with people and his opinions are clear.

If I had to shoot between [Creature, Not Chara], the latter would drop.

Hallelujah, more reads from Leonshade.

Cakez should have more reads by now.

Nahdia, can you explain Not Chara as town to me? Because I'm not seeing it.

pepto's silent replace out is all sorts of bad.

SlySly makes great points in the 900+ series.

I have never played a game with Accountant, and I feel like I've been missing out.

Chara's vote on Gamma exemplifies my scumread on that slot.
And then unvotes. Ok.

Eagerly awaiting Nosferatu's catchup.

House, please move your vote off of town. Thanks. Might I interest you in a SirCakez lynch? Or a peptobismlawl lynch?
SnarkySnowman also needs reconsider his vote. I know he's in the middle of catching up but the sooner the better.

massive is not voting, but was sheeping Magna?
Nahdia's not voting either.

Not Chara, can I interest you in a peptobismlawl lynch?
PeregrineV, can I interest you in a peptobismlawl lynch?
SlySly, can I interest you in a peptobismlawl lynch? Who are you interested in lynching?

Consider my vote on peptobismlawl.

Need to finish my paper now. Spent longer sitting here than I wanted to.

SO MUCH IIOA
Andrius deserves a scumread for this post alone

Day 1 will end...eventually.
Countdown: 362498 days, 3 hours, 49 minutes

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Also wtf is this?

@Cakez: I changed it when I unvoted you, silly.

*scrunches eyebrows*

VOTE: pepto
I think zakk....might...be...town.
FORGIVE ME IF HES SCUM

[SirCakez]

TIL massive is in this game

[SirCakez]

I have a beautiful readslist for you all to admire

Town: Blade Dancer, House
Nulltown: zakk, PV, Magna, Sly
Null: Maxous, Creature, Nos, Accountant, Snarky, massive, Leonshade, Ankamius, Shiro (too many nulls ffs post you guys)
Nullscum: Gamma, Andrius, McMenno
Scum: Nahdia, Pepto

[SirCakez]

How would we get no info from wagoning a miller claim? This is total bs.

The noose tightened around their necks the moment they made their claims. ANY D1 lynch is more informative than wasting time on a miller.

Except miller claims are rarely lynched?

[SirCakez]

How would we get no info from wagoning a miller claim? This is total bs.

The noose tightened around their necks the moment they made their claims. ANY D1 lynch is more informative than wasting time on a miller.

Except miller claims are rarely lynched?

Whether they are or aren't is irrelevant. Millers are vig bait and become the obvious sacrifice for lynching on later days. D1 is not the time to be worrying about a rogue miller. With that said, get either miller to L-1 and I'll hammer, but I will do it saying we are wasting our D1 lynch on this miller.

I have literally never seen millers been vig bait or "sacrifices for lynching"
You have me legitimately confused

Also hello Cakez, if you expect me to take you seriously bloc-quoting my entire post and throwing a catchword around isn't going to help.

It's so many words but means so little
Why would I use a lot of words to summarize it when I can use a few?

[SirCakez]

kek at Nahdia putting me in the bottom tier based on a "gut read"

[SirCakez]

Oh I forgot about Not Chara in my reads
Put it in nulltown

[SirCakez]

"gotten way worse"
"I can't find anyone else to push for a mislynch"

[SirCakez]

Except wagoning lynchbait only gets you so far
P-edit:

[SirCakez]

they're all fake anyway, be calm young Gamma

[SirCakez]

Because he's usually scummy af and constantly gets lynched/vigged early on
Yes I have him as nullscum
Yes I should probably have him as null instead <.<

Nahdia is def scum regardless, her scumread on me is obv bs
Especially considering her history with me

[SirCakez]

>legend of zelda mafia
>you wouldn't be scumreading me with no real explanation after that

[SirCakez]

kek at Nahdia putting me in the bottom tier based on a "gut read"

You've gotten way worse since then.

"gotten way worse"
"I can't find anyone else to push for a mislynch"

except all the other people I'm scumreading, including the wagon on McMenno I just started.

*scrunches eyebrows*

VOTE: pepto
I think zakk....might...be...town.
FORGIVE ME IF HES SCUM

tell u what boys, oscar winning performance right here. 100% defo hella genuine. no doubt. none. so real. so real.

Like, this entire page has been such a goddamn shitshow for you SirCakez. Let's dance, friend.

Gladiate: SirCakez

oh i guess we moved onto a new page well i meant page 53 was a shitshow for you. every post you made was bad.

anyway I know I started the McMenno wagon and stuff but this is way more confident in my mind

VOTE: SirCakez

Except wagoning lynchbait only gets you so far
P-edit:

I mean three people followed me so you saying I can't find mislynches to push elsewhere is just a moot point that you came up with outta nowhere, is what I'm saying.. What makes you put McMenno as lynchbait anyway?

Everyone get a load of this "clear explanation"!

[SirCakez]

So basically what I'm getting is your read was completely faked and now you're using stuff after I pointed this out to make up reasoning for it

k

[SirCakez]

Like I'll even concede that maybe Legend of Zelda + your hiatus has gotten you out of it but you're obviously lying about "clearly explaining" your read pre-1341 and having reasoning besides gut for it
If you have actual reasoning then maybe we can talk

I have literally never seen millers been vig bait or "sacrifices for lynching"
You have me legitimately confused

I have played some games that were ruined by beating this topic to death. I can't remember which one(s), but it feels like it's happened several times.

One I do remember though is a game I ran, I don't think it's on my wiki because I think it got lost during the DB crash about 4-5 years ago. In that game, there was a death miller. In his PM, he would immediately die and lose regardless of outcome if he revealed the death part of his miller-ness on D1. I'm not saying there is or isn't a death miller in this game, because I'm not playing guess the setup, but this is a bastard game and there are basically 2 claimed millers at this point, and based on my own personal experience, not only in the game I ran, but also in games I've played, there are death millers around these parts occasionally.

So, let's say we run Ank up today and he flips scum. We learn nothing, because he could be a death miller that's really town and no one will know because it wouldn't be revealed until post game. No meaningful associations there. Ank stated a "hated" part of his role and that leans towards the negative. I don't think I'm reaching too far on this. I picked Ank for this illustration because of the negative. A death miller is a negative.

So, let's say we run one of them up and they flip town. Wow, they were a miller, just like they said.

There's better places to put our D1 focus.

I kinda get what you're getting at, this topic isn't going anywhere
I wouldn't lynch either of the miller claims today anyway

[SirCakez]

Like I'll even concede that maybe the amount of time since Legend of Zelda + your hiatus has gotten you out of it but you're obviously lying about "clearly explaining" your read pre-1341 and having reasoning besides gut for it
If you have actual reasoning then maybe we can talk

I have literally never seen millers been vig bait or "sacrifices for lynching"
You have me legitimately confused

I have played some games that were ruined by beating this topic to death. I can't remember which one(s), but it feels like it's happened several times.

One I do remember though is a game I ran, I don't think it's on my wiki because I think it got lost during the DB crash about 4-5 years ago. In that game, there was a death miller. In his PM, he would immediately die and lose regardless of outcome if he revealed the death part of his miller-ness on D1. I'm not saying there is or isn't a death miller in this game, because I'm not playing guess the setup, but this is a bastard game and there are basically 2 claimed millers at this point, and based on my own personal experience, not only in the game I ran, but also in games I've played, there are death millers around these parts occasionally.

So, let's say we run Ank up today and he flips scum. We learn nothing, because he could be a death miller that's really town and no one will know because it wouldn't be revealed until post game. No meaningful associations there. Ank stated a "hated" part of his role and that leans towards the negative. I don't think I'm reaching too far on this. I picked Ank for this illustration because of the negative. A death miller is a negative.

So, let's say we run one of them up and they flip town. Wow, they were a miller, just like they said.

There's better places to put our D1 focus.

I kinda get what you're getting at, this topic isn't going anywhere
I wouldn't lynch either of the miller claims today anyway

Ebwop for better wording
No, calling one of my posts fake does not = a clear explanation of why I am one of your top two scum reads lol

[SirCakez]

"Your posts are clearly fake" is a clear explanation at least!
But it's a terrible one.

[SirCakez]

I have a beautiful readslist for you all to admire

Town: Blade Dancer, House
Nulltown: zakk, PV, Magna, Sly
Null: Maxous, Creature, Nos, Accountant, Snarky, massive, Leonshade, Ankamius, Shiro (too many nulls ffs post you guys)
Nullscum: Gamma, Andrius, McMenno
Scum: Nahdia, Pepto

I think it's pretty safe to move Leonshade to town. Accountant can be at nulltown. Tell me if you disagree.

Leon only has 8 posts, wtf?
Accountant has mainly shitposted, at best I'd give him a very slight town lean.

I mean, yeah, I do want you to believe it.

So now Nahdia has changed her story again to her whole scunread being based on one post

Good shit

Gamma, zakk has obviously seen the light of SirCakez mega-quoting style. Santa Claus is a bit more direct with his use though, he likes to rub our noses in the poo that is his boasting. He loves delivering gifts, even if he knows, "What's in the box?"

I try to avoid these mega posts aside from catchup q.q

House, Gamma Emerald, Zakk, Not Chara and Creature are the highest posters, in that order.

VOTE: House

Lmfao?

Blade what's your nahdia read?

look at that, you did remember me. <3
never mind. i'll catch up now.

Because I did my reads list from the player list in the OP and you got skipped somehow

[SirCakez]

VOTE: skullduggery

Hi Snarky!
Make me not want to pl you pls

This being a bastard game I wanna try something.

VOTE: Skullduggery

VOTE: Skullduggery

VOTE: Skullduggery
Thank me if something bad happens.

VOTE: skullduggery

Hey look it's snarky snowman

He only shows up once a year, just like normal snowmen

But for him it's different. He doesn't wait for Christmas

He only shows up for bullshit reasons

Like voting the mod

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

This vote is totally awful, zakk c'mon

VOTE: Magna
still have read nothing besides recent pages. i'm a lazy, lazy student.
zakk, help a div out.

Why tho? I'm not seeing anything scummy from Magna.
I think Magna's zakk case was a result of zakk's natural scumminess as opposed to actual scumminess.

am i scum, Magna?
McMenno, i forget who is a better wagon for you. remind me.
zakk is scummier than Narna, if you compare them. funny, because i think zakk is town.

This further confirms my suspicions that zakk is just always scummy

Recent Chara posting has solidified a read.

If for some reason we cant lynch the pepto slot, can we consider giving Chara death? Im mobile now but will compile my words and thoughts in a bit.

Doesnt seem actually bothered that no one cares about their Magna vote. There's no effort in convincing anyone of the read, no real effort taken to make it a thing. Just a vote.

Then the Amished tell. Assumimg they're not an alt/hydra/whatever, it just reeks of hey its a Named Tell that Im dropping here. But Im not saying I think thinks its relevant, just wondering if anyone else sees this.

Like they dont want to make waves but want to look like youre posting content

I'd rather lynch you then NC.

Blade pls your Nahdia read?

[SirCakez]

@Blade - A PL would be a last resort, not a wagon I'd want pushed unless nothing else presented itself
Also was not aware you were scumreading Nahdia, thanks
P-edit: dw Nahdia is in that town block
The rest are ok, except maybe Gamma and McMenno who I'm still conflicted over

[SirCakez]

I believe I've made it pretty clear why I think Nahdia is scum

[SirCakez]

I meant no, not dw. Not sure how that happened.

Nahdia's push on me is total bs zakk. She would have dropped it long ago as town.

[SirCakez]

Rip alt

[SirCakez]

Cakez: i'd have to go through Magna's posts for it. i'll get back to you if i continue to want to push them. depends on interest. if i wait long enough, zakk might do the case for me. :>

This would be helpful

Cakez: you have a lot of experience with Nahdia? i think they've explained themselves adequately. i disagree now, but your tone does make you sound a bit fake.

I know I sound fake sometimes but Nahdia clearly lied about how and why she was scumreading me.
And she's done little else that I can think of.

I meant no, not dw. Not sure how that happened.

Nahdia's push on me is total bs zakk. She would have dropped it long ago as town.

her push on you is inconsequential next to magna's farce of saying i'm pushing you as scum even though i was just saying your vote on me was paranoia and you do it literally every game as either alignment

why don't you two hold hands and sing kumbaya and lynch magna with me?

I can see where Magna was coming from (although wrong), that post did somewhat look like a push on me.

[SirCakez]

I also knew Blade was you, Titus
Your posting style is very distinct

[SirCakez]

they (Nahdia) lied? if you've quoted that before, could i see it again?
if i must, i'll case Magna. tomorrow. i don't want to do work today, i have an assignment due and i'm crying. mafia is my procrastination tool. (not actually crying.)

pedit: confirmation came when you quoted your own reasoning for the 'always scum' tell. :> but your posting style had me on it before that.
zakk: Firebringer was a serious guess from you? i don't believe you. hahaha.

Creature: what do you mean, 'nobody'?

I will respond to this this afternoon!

I know I sound fake sometimes but Nahdia clearly lied about how and why she was scumreading me.

I will admit here and now that I was not completely clear as to why I was scumreading you from the start. But I did explain it. And saying "I lied" is a massive stretch and warping of the scenario and I'm sure you're intelligent enough to realize that, Cakez. So yeah, I'm only more convinced you're scum from the way you're framing me. I don't see town!Cakez trying to paint me as a liar when I know I'm not one.

Barely, and what you did give was incredibly weak.

If I'm not mistaken, your argument that I lied is that I made up reasons for scumreading you after the fact. Which is false, because I did previously poke at your posts I felt were fake. I just wasn't totally clear about what I was saying. So I apologize that my sass got in the way of clarity, but to say "Nahdia lied" is a misrepresentation and you know it. Nahdia didn't lie. Nahdia had a reason to scumread you from the start. You've had a very fake demeanor, you're tone is a scummy sort of biting (this is really hard to explain tbh tonal reads always are for me), and your way of interacting with me and Andrius in particular has really made me think "I cannot see town thinking in this way." So while I am town, I am

NOT

going to be letting up on my push on you. You need death, and badly.

See this explanation is what I would have expected earlier.
But instead you just took potshots with sassy posts.

Why not say this earlier?

Scum PeregrineV
Town PeregrineV

PeregrineV iso this game.

The PeregrineV in this game is reminding me more of the scumPereV than the townPereV I've played with in the past.

I'm much less confident on my ability to meta read PV after Shadowrun <.<
I wouldn't use this

gamma
Titus
cakez
slysly
mcmenno

That's who I'd block with, with Titus the driving force behind the votes.

I would be fine with this bloc

[SirCakez]

they (Nahdia) lied? if you've quoted that before, could i see it again?
if i must, i'll case Magna. tomorrow. i don't want to do work today, i have an assignment due and i'm crying. mafia is my procrastination tool. (not actually crying.)

pedit: confirmation came when you quoted your own reasoning for the 'always scum' tell. :> but your posting style had me on it before that.
zakk: Firebringer was a serious guess from you? i don't believe you. hahaha.

Creature: what do you mean, 'nobody'?

I will respond to this this afternoon!

b4 I start catching up want to cover this
Basically Nahdia put me as a top scumread randomly, then I began debating her over it, she threw out a bunch of postshots and sass, then when I pointed out her case was awful, she said she had "clearly explained it".
Which was obviously completely untrue from her previous posts

now to catch up

[SirCakez]

ok so I will start reading today but can someone also give me a very quick recap of what is going on because I am at like page 10

Spoiler:

Got it, after that I do not think I even need to read the thread, I am ready to call the scum team out. 100% accuracy guranteed

DO IT

I can positivly say that

Leonshade
massive
Nosferatu
Titus

Are group scum and byt the summary I am pretty certain that

zakk

Is evil 3p

It was all so clear

How tf do you have a read on massive/nos?

See this explanation is what I would have expected earlier.
But instead you just took potshots with sassy posts.

Why not say this earlier?

Have we met?

Nope, hello nahdia, I'm sircakez. Nice to meet you!

sure, okay. McMenno can be town.
and SirCakez vs. Nahdia is

probably

TvT.

pls no

VOTE: Nahdia

Let's go then.

Shiro, how long on the reread?

#approved wagon

I'd really like to think this odd "getting lynched" thing is due to my predecessor but maybe I really am that rusty. Anyway, I realize I flopped on the "charisma" part of this game but I actually think my reads are pretty good. People should stop townreading SirCakez, should look closer at Leonshade, and honestly SlySly has been going down for me every time he posts. People will also hopefully realize just how awful McMenno looks once I flip green. Also haven't liked Not Chara recently, despite townreading them sooner. Jury is out on that slot.

This day isn't going anywhere though and with no deadline, people are talking in circles. Go ahead and brutally murder me you idiots.

{Gamma Emerald}
{Accountant, Titus, Andrius, Creature}
{zakk, Ankamius, Maxous}
{PeregrineV, Not Chara}
{massive, Nosferatu, House, Narna}
{SnarkySnowman, Shiro}
{MagnaOfIllusion, McMenno, SlySly}
{SirCakez}
{Leonshade}

Ok I stopped catching up because this needs saying asap
This ate crap is Nahdia scum 101. Just look at pie's yuri game. Don't fall for it.

VOTE: nahdia

[SirCakez]

It's awesome having a read on PerV.

Too bad yours is different from mine q.q
I think he's pretty blatantly town here even w/o meta

VOTE: PeregrineV

He posted a wingdings image but doesn't even know capitalization matters when creating them.

The wingdings discussion was awful, pls don't go back to that.

[SirCakez]

i prefer being scum honestly but the one nice thing about being town is that feeling of vindication you get when you flip green and all those people who were so certain you were scum get their mistake shoved in their faces. i mean, to the scum who push mislynches i can only respect a job well done but to the others i'm looking forward to your apologies post game.

blah blah blah

[SirCakez]

suuuuure

[SirCakez]

Nahdia why have you constantly been dodging voting your top scumread?

[SirCakez]

But you tried to start up a McMenno wagon earlier, so there not being a wagon there shouldn't be a problem...
Him being V/LA is an OK excuse I guess

[SirCakez]

Titus is obvtown
Pushing a wagon just because its your counter is bad

[SirCakez]

Titus is obvtown
Pushing a wagon just because its your counter is bad

That's not why I'm voting it, friend. But I mean, I would disagree with you even if it was. I'm town and I don't know Magna's alignment for sure so therefore, my optimal move here is getting the other guy lynched. Self-preservation is a victory to more wins on average as both alignments.

You said you were pushing this over other scumreads because it was a counter though?

where i'm at with Nahdia is: thought process, changing reads, choice of responses... those look town.
comparing their games, they seem to be a bit closer to their scum style of posting with the AtE and the general tone. but i'm both bad at tone reading and bad at meta reading, so i've decided to listen to my head and not my gut. so Nahdia is town.
Titus, as Blade Dancer, struck me as town. Titus 2: Electric Boogaloo, aka the new Blade Dancer aka the original Titus, could very well be scum. let's see.

Cakez: is she? you know her better than me. right now, i like her more than both Nahdia and Magna.
you know who might be good? Andrius. or Accountant. especially Accountant. thoughts?

Maybe not obvtown but my gut is saying town pretty strongly

[SirCakez]

so you are voting him because he's a counter partially

[SirCakez]

IT'S A MIX OF
1) I SCUMREAD HIM
2) IT'S A COUNTERWAGON

SHOULD I REWRITE THIS IN WINGDINGS FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND IT?

That's why I said partially ding dong

Cakez what is that emote

Its from twitch

[SirCakez]

Where is my vote
VOTE: PeregrineV

Wtf is this?

Magna wagon is dead, long live the PV wagon

VOTE: PeregrineV

Not least of which because he somehow assumes I need "saving" as either alignment. I know how to stay alive lmao

That whole wingdings conspiracy you concocted was a load of horse shit as well

Zakk stop voting town pls
Join us on Nahdia

[SirCakez]

Guys
Nahdia is town
Might be willing to join a Narna wagon

Why is she town?

how many games together and you still can't even spell my goddamn name. all you can do is cry whenever someone says something that isn't pure 100% logic. i'm not intentionally appealing to people's emotions, it's just how i goddamn talk. guess what fucko, sobbing your goddamn eyes out every time i post is AtE too.

wtf?

VOTE: mcmenno

changed my mind on who i want to lynch

unrelated: that was a surprisingly poor wagon hop by ankamius.

nononono we are not moving to the lynchbait, especially since it's being led by scum

55:

OH YEAH WALK THAT SHIT BACK ZAKK

That McMenno thing, how did this last another 38 pages? *popcorn*

SirCakez saying his scum game has gone to shit recently in 1304, must mean more recently than TTH's Summer Mafia which just wound up in August.

Gonna eat something and see if I'm magically rejuvenated to keep going.

I was being universally scumread at the end of that game....

[SirCakez]

Nahdia is town because her posts don't feel deceitful.

Like which posts?
Nahdia is very very very good at making "obvtownie" posts as scum

[SirCakez]

Hi. Can you vote McMenno with me Firesan?

Titus I don't think McMenno is scum. I think you're scumreading him for being McMenno, not for being scummy. The people with you on the wagon are awful too.

VOTE: sircakez

>this is a large theme
>sircakez is in this large theme
>sircakez is scum

Quick skim of Mcmenno tells me that he is probably town.
FIrst off, that openning post. Super townlike.

Like cakez gets fucking scum so much in large themes its ridiculous, i thought it was townlike to point it out.
He also gives way more substantial thought than is normal for himself.
Yeah, I think mcmenno is town this game.

This really annoys me (how much I roll scum in large themes). I don't think it's townie for McMenno to point that out tho. I'm townreading him for other reasons.

Ok people, here is the deal, I think there is absolutly 0 way I am ever getting the needed drive to read the game, I started, reached page 20 but dropped, kinda sorry for this.

I do not wish to replace which is why I decided to just start playign from here and go by my ISO of Caky that I did, which honestly I found really meh and would lynch, both his push on zakk and his 180 afterwards were really meh imo

Did you actually look at why I 180ed him? Just saying "his push and 180 were meh" is cruddy reasoning to scumread me.

[SirCakez]

Also - I get why Titus is being wagoned but I don't think it's in the right place. This feels like awk town Titus as opposed to awk scum Titus.

[SirCakez]

yeah mods reroll whenever I want or ELSE

lol

[SirCakez]

There was still support for zakk!scum when I switched.
It went away because I realized the reasons I was initially scumreading him were wrong. Not because of something he posted.

yeah mods reroll whenever I want or ELSE

lol

YEAH!

Fuck the mods!
Fight the power.

[SirCakez]

Hi Yume, join our Nahdia wagon

[SirCakez]

Hi Yume, join our Nahdia wagon

Nahdia's town. join the Titus wagon.

Other way around

@SirCakez, I am townreading almost all the players on McMenno and have significant reservations on those pushing me. They were talking about hammering me with two votes. Might as well put a neon sign that McMenno is scum.

@Shiro, I would like you to elaborate more because McMenno is textbook Denmark repeat.

Massive and Nahdia and narna are voting McMenno
That wagon is dirty as hell

[SirCakez]

Hi Yume, join our Nahdia wagon

Nahdia's town. join the Titus wagon.

Other way around

@SirCakez, I am townreading almost all the players on McMenno and have significant reservations on those pushing me. They were talking about hammering me with two votes. Might as well put a neon sign that McMenno is scum.

@Shiro, I would like you to elaborate more because McMenno is textbook Denmark repeat.

Massive and Nahdia and narna are voting McMenno
That wagon is dirty as hell

Nahdia's response to my callout was town as fuck.

Massive might be bussing or just weak town.

no it wasn't

[SirCakez]

because that's nahdia scum 101

[SirCakez]

If it walks like scum, and talks like scum, why are you townreading it?

@cakez

Because it always walks like scum and talks like scum (I assume this is referring to mcmenno)

because that's nahdia scum 101

Nahdia scum scumhunts in response to being challenged with a lynch, and continues to do so?

What do you think the town response should be?

yes
The same thing, because nahdia scum is excellent at looking like nahdia town
you have to look at the little things

[SirCakez]

If it walks like scum, and talks like scum, why are you townreading it?

@cakez

Because it always walks like scum and talks like scum (I assume this is referring to mcmenno)

because that's nahdia scum 101

Nahdia scum scumhunts in response to being challenged with a lynch, and continues to do so?

What do you think the town response should be?

yes
The same thing, because nahdia scum is excellent at looking like nahdia town
you have to look at the little things

Nah, I am pretty good at reading McMenno. He doesn't look like scum as town, scum just like to push him.

What little things?

Scum like to push him = huge red flag

How much she's using AtE, how she's playing when not under pressure (if she's lurking then prob scum), her spam-content ratio

[SirCakez]

She's not lurking. She's generating a lot of content and very little spam.

As for scum liking to push him, that's a green flag because no one scummy is driving this wagon.

She's under high scrutiny right now, obv she's not going to be lurking. When she's being left alone is when you have to analyze.
There are a lot of scummy people on the wagon...

[SirCakez]

[SirCakez]

because that's nahdia scum 101

Did you listen to the 1 hour thing?

No and I'm not going to (maybe post game I will)

Nos if you want the day to end why would you start a vanity wagon???

[SirCakez]

Fuck I don't like either of the two leading wagons very much. I wish the Nahdia or Narna wagons would reform.
I'd go McMenno over Titus if it came to it I suppose.
The Leon wagon pop-up is shady as hell so there is probably scum in Menno/Titus actually.

[SirCakez]

you keep firing what little ammunition you have, Titus.
i know you don't have any, because i'm right. you're not accusing me of erroneous or misapplied meta. you're not even asking for clarification. you're barely pushing me, and what you are saying is entirely vague issues you apparently have with my play, yet cannot pinpoint.

Cakez: where am i wrong with Titus? look at her recent posting.

It's titus being titus. I have a pretty strong gut townread on her now and my gut reads on her are usually right.

vote narna then

There's no wagon

[SirCakez]

i'm telling you, i don't think this is Titus being Titus. she isn't being ridiculous, for one.

She is tho
Like her Fire scunread

(3) Narna -- McMenno, PeregrineV, Ankamius

make it happen

TFW didn't know this wagon or the Nahdia wagon still existed
Nahdia wagon is bigger so I shall stay here

[SirCakez]

That doesn't make the scumread good
I am confused - are you defending her or pushing her?

[SirCakez]

i'm pushing her. obviously.
the scumread is bad, because i think Firebringer is town. i'm saying Titus isn't being ridiculous in that her actions make sense and she isn't contradicting herself or indulging in confbiasing.
the Firebringer scumread is a straight-forward: this player is pushing me, so i need to discredit them.

But then why are you scumreading her???

[SirCakez]

I read the whole post. You think she's not being ridiculous, that her reads make sense and she's not contradicting herself. I don't get how that connects to a scumread.
The only negative thing I see is that the Fire scunread is bad, which I concur

[SirCakez]

I read the whole post. You think she's not being ridiculous, that her reads make sense and she's not contradicting herself. I don't get how that connects to a scumread.
The only negative thing I see is that the Fire scunread is bad, which I concur

that post wasn't my 'Titus is scum' post.
that post was in response to you saying she wasn't being ridiculous. (when i brought it up as a point about how, in my readings, she is more confbiasy as town and less so as scum)

OK I get that now.
But then what are you scumreading her for? Not being ridiculous?

[SirCakez]

NC I read through those and it looks like gut + titus not acting like normal + her response being bad, yes?

[SirCakez]

Cakez: yes. i can already tell you're not convinced.

look at Creature for me instead. what happened with 2653? i originally thought Creature meant joining you on the Nahdia wagon, but from his next post in conversation with Firebringer, he was asking to lynch you.
and the 'oh, right'. what caught his attention?
he was townreading you before this as well.

Actually it did weaken my townread, because Titus is working incredibly hard to discredit you which is pretty sketchy
I understand why you're scumreading her now so + town points to you and thanks for working with me

Cakez: yes. i can already tell you're not convinced.

look at Creature for me instead. what happened with 2653? i originally thought Creature meant joining you on the Nahdia wagon, but from his next post in conversation with Firebringer, he was asking to lynch you.
and the 'oh, right'. what caught his attention?
he was townreading you before this as well.

Yeah it's bizarre
I'm not really sure what he meant there?

Creature clarify pls

[SirCakez]

Titus why do you think NC is scum? Let me just go to the point.
That was a pretty bad sequence of posts from Menno.

[SirCakez]

Titus why do you think NC is scum? Let me just go to the point.
That was a pretty bad sequence of posts from Menno.

Andrius says it better than me but she's basically pushing only where it is popular and has no depth to reads. She's also pushing me based on garbage.

She's pushed wagons besides "popular" ones, and no depth to reads is total bs, as evidenced by how I spent like a page discussing her read on you.
If her push on you is so bad why are you putting so much effort into discrediting it?

there's nothing to respond to until zakk has caught up.
meanwhile, everyone should look at this.

Sorry, I don't like explaining every single thing I do.

so, you can't explain your turnaround read on Cakez? or why you brought this up conspicuously right after my 2651?
also: my 2659, 2669, and 2672.

i think Creature saw my spoiler for Cakez, thought i was advocating for a Cakez wagon because he didn't read it, and pretended to say 'oh, yes, i could also lynch Cakez'. this is despite an earlier townread on Cakez and nothing i could find to indicate Creature has changed his mind.
i was looking for him to point to a reason that he would want to wagon Creature. all i can see is my post.
you should explain, Creature. that you avoiding doing so is tantamount to telling me i'm right.
VOTE: Creature

i want everyone's opinion on this.

Ya Creature's response there was total garbage, would wagon. My townread there has been depreciating for some time.

Also re:zakk's theory - I think there is probably a third-party due to the fact it's bastard and Skull loves third-parties. Multiball is iffier.

[SirCakez]

I'd lynch any of the big wagons right now (nahdia, narna, menno, titus), with preference in that order
I don't want to lynch NC

[SirCakez]

there's nothing to respond to until zakk has caught up.
meanwhile, everyone should look at this.

Sorry, I don't like explaining every single thing I do.

so, you can't explain your turnaround read on Cakez? or why you brought this up conspicuously right after my 2651?
also: my 2659, 2669, and 2672.

i think Creature saw my spoiler for Cakez, thought i was advocating for a Cakez wagon because he didn't read it, and pretended to say 'oh, yes, i could also lynch Cakez'. this is despite an earlier townread on Cakez and nothing i could find to indicate Creature has changed his mind.
i was looking for him to point to a reason that he would want to wagon Creature. all i can see is my post.
you should explain, Creature. that you avoiding doing so is tantamount to telling me i'm right.
VOTE: Creature

i want everyone's opinion on this.

Andrius, you caught me when lacking time so i'm just quoting this. you asked three questions and all of them are answered in the above post.

i want either Creature or Titus dead.

unless

someone comes up for an explanation as to why Creature is not scum here, and where he got the Cakez wagon idea from. which you haven't. fascinating.

saying that i'm abandoning my Titus read for this is plain wrong. it's wrong because i still think Titus is scum (a fact which Magna apparently understood, even if you did not), and it's wrong that you think my Creature read has anything to do with zakk. it was in direct response to Creature's post, which i have pointed out

numerous

times.

you can't actually refute me, so you're just repeating yourself by bringing up points i've already displayed that you're wrong on.

Why can't you do Menno/Nahdia/Narna?

Cakez: <3
what do you think of Andrius's 'case'?
or his ignoring of Creature's behaviour?

note to everyone in this game. i use it/its or they/them. i hope i don't sound like a broken record, but the defaulting to 'she' is really annoying.

I think it sucks and Andrius is probscum
I've had him in my scumreads for a while

Lynch menno today and I'll help ya'll lynch not chara Day 2

^ this is also shitty coasting

thinking on it more, multiball would make sense here. with how this day is going.
if my posts keep getting ignored, i'm going to take a break. if i get lynched, fuck it. Titus and Creature are scum. it's probable there are multiple scum pushing me now.

also: McMenno is selectively responding, his latest contribution is entirely to complain that i've been taking potshots. i think he's even still voting Narna.
who is town here? probably Cakez, Nahdia, Narna.
multiball is likely, so Titus and McMenno can both be scum. zakk could be scum. Andrius and magna? i don't want to say both are scum, but one of them probably is.

Why nahdia/narna town? Like especially Narna has been doing nothing protown. (sorry if you said these earlier q.q)

I'd lynch any of the big wagons right now (nahdia, narna, menno, titus), with preference in that order
I don't want to lynch NC

I think I'm good with all of your lynchables except menno. You trying to save NC?

Yeah I am, I don't think it's scum.

I'll vote mcmenno to get the wagon moving but the double Ns need DEATH

VOTE: mcmenno

[SirCakez]

When weren't you town reading her?

[SirCakez]

When weren't you town reading her?

I see that you haven't been reading my posts

I have
They've been fluffy af

[SirCakez]

Woah I'm agreeing with nahdia on something
She's still scum

[SirCakez]

i'm sans.

sans the skeleton.

This fits town flavor
How does the "coroner at night 8" thing fit sans?

@Fire I'm thinking of re-evaluating some of my reads. Some of them were kind of just gut feelings that I'm not really getting again looking back (or I'm deciding my initial reasoning was bad). Your slot is one of the ones I'm not really sure why I townread though to be honest.

Translation - a mislynch is about to go through and I need to pretend to find reasons to push for others ....

this post isn't analysis. scum or really badly confbiased town, it sucks. likely the former.

Cakez: i saw your post requesting reasons for townreading Narna and Nahdia. Nahdia is in my ISO, Narna i haven't examined extensively, but i didn't like the push on his slot in the first place and nothing he's done has pinged me as scum. i can talk more about this on a later day, but i've been very busy.

pedit: yes, Magna has been doing that a lot. anything can be called scum if you put that kind of filter over it.

I'll ISO you later
Narna got wagoned because his predecessor's replace out was awful and he's been doing jackshit to scum hunt
Why didn't you like the push on that?

I feel like McMenno is going to flip town :c
UNVOTE:

[SirCakez]

Yay I'm a winner

[SirCakez]

well he's lazy (lazy coroner)

and also he's a skeleton

I don't fucking know, doesn't he do timeline research or some shit?

You should have more detail then that...
P-edit: the claim and his behavior
The replace out was really bad...

[SirCakez]

Cakez: can you talk more about why McMenno is responding in a towny manner to being at L-1?
he hasn't given reads (besides Sly being town), his response being 'he isn't dead yet', and is mostly just talking about his role. the claim itself could just as easily be a fakeclaim as it could be real, and it's not a claim (example, a vigilante or doctor claim) where it would make sense to let the player live a couple of nights more.
is it tone? or something else?

i don't find replace-outs themselves alignment indicative. especially silent ones that tell us nothing. i don't think pepto was even being wagoned on his replace out. why was it so bad?
and Narna has been scumhunting. i've checked his reads progression, he hasn't been coasting on lack of content. what has McMenno done besides tell us to lynch Narna/pepto since the beginning of the game?

Tone and he feels genuine
If he has been I can't remember any of it. Not a good thing.

VOTE: narna

[SirCakez]

I would go Titus if it happened fyi
I can't remember anything Magna has posted (i tend to skim his posts because walls)

tl'dr case pls

[SirCakez]

2bad

[SirCakez]

I would go Titus if it happened fyi
I can't remember anything Magna has posted (i tend to skim his posts because walls)

tl'dr case pls

I don't know about the others, but I don't like that he called out Nahdia for assuming scum had daychat and not Creature. His excuse was that any talk after the first mention of this being a scumslip was pertaining to the conversation about assumed daychat, so it isn't a slip. However Creature was not talking about that conversation at all and even throws in a nevermind afterwords once Creature realized what he did. This is about scumreading Magna, not Creature though. He's also twisting my words to pretend that he's scumhunting.

This sounds like magna 101
Altho you're scum and defending him...

[SirCakez]

Wait I just had a total brain fart lmao
You're scum and pushing him, so another reason I dislike the wagon

[SirCakez]

Yeah read my next post, I derped

[SirCakez]

what don't you like?

[SirCakez]

narna is pushing magna -> I'm scumreading narna -> magna is more likely to be town imo

How is that misrep?

[SirCakez]

that was a derp that I corrected in my next post
I made that pretty obvious

[SirCakez]

:c

[SirCakez]

Titus.
I am losing my wits and will.
How can I help thee?

I am at the same place and exhausted. Nahdia isn't scum.

The behavior around the McMenno wagon is wierd as fuck.

At this point, I would lynch anyone I am not townreading.

@Leonshade, Yes. There are roles such as Neopolitans and Vanilla cops that get positives on vanillas and you would be misleading them.

Help us lynch narna, you aren't town reading him

[SirCakez]

Cakez pls

I'm trying to have a 1v1 here

You can have your 1v1 but I don't have to like it

[SirCakez]

I don't wanna murder Shiro Titus, I wanna murder Narna

[SirCakez]

murder's a strong word

Indeed

Snarky, Titus, Andrius, Yume, Ankamius, Maxous, Creature, Nosferatu, Shiro, SlySly, PeregrineV, SirCakez, McMenno, Leonshade...

Come on, assholes, do something useful with your vote

I am doing something useful with my vote

[SirCakez]

There is no fucking wagon, that's the problem.

It's the same thing that got me lynched in adventure maf, people are voting moi for shits and giggles and are recruiting other people by just saying "lynch moi hehe xd"

This is one of the main reasons the MoI wagon sucks.

VOTE: narna

Alright.

I am in favor of the Narna wagon now though.

LET'S FLIP NARNA
(╯°Д°）╯︵ /(.□ . \)

VOTE: Narna

Vote: Narna

Is the Magna wagon alive? PLEASE TELL ME THE MAGNA WAGON IS ALIVE
VOTE: MagnaofIllusion

No. I townread both Narna and Nahdia; neither of those are happening if I can help it.

DO NOT EDIT MY SHIT YOU JERK
NARNA IS A TOWNREAD
DO THAT AGAIN ON A TOWNREAD OF MINE AND SUFFER BITCH

Yes I scumread Magna his pushes,

especially

on Narna, have felt scummy.

Yes I TR Narna, because she doesn't feel super-opportunistic, like her predecessor. Even then, I had trouble seeing Pepto as scummy so it wasn't very hard to become a townread.

I am in favor of the Narna wagon now though.

LET'S FLIP NARNA
(╯°Д°）╯︵ /(.□ . \)

VOTE: Narna

Can we lynch this isntead please?

Vote:Gamma

Like there is only two posts 1 from NC and one from Leon that could have affected this change in beetween here but it is very weak to change a read like that.

We're lynching this after Narna flips scum

VOTE: Narna

PUSH NARNA THROUGH ALREADY FFS

[SirCakez]

Like I can't believe that anyone could townread the Narna slot after Pepto's replace out
It's absurd

[SirCakez]

I thought I was pretty clear before that I prefer you or Nahdia hanging today.

Do you intend to hammer me?

VOTE: narna

Alright.

I am in favor of the Narna wagon now though.

LET'S FLIP NARNA
(╯°Д°）╯︵ /(.□ . \)

VOTE: Narna

Vote: Narna

Including Maxous' vote here despite him changing it already seems manipulative.

yes when I was catching up and saw max vote you I TOTALLY knew he was going to change his vote later

gotcha

Also Maxous's reads are a steaming pile of crap, just put those in a corner

[SirCakez]

ebwop

yes when I was catching up and saw max vote you I TOTALLY knew he was going to change his vote later

gotcha

Also Maxous's reads are a steaming pile of crap, just put those in a corner

Ooh that is an obvious catch up, huh. My bad on the shade friend.

Is all good
You're still scum though

Also Maxous's reads are a steaming pile of crap, just put those in a corner

Shots fired

I mean it's true! (no offense)

[SirCakez]

except pepto has a history of silent replace outs as scum you butts

[SirCakez]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=64106

One of the main arguments for the slot being scum has always been that pepto's replace out mirrors this game where he was scum
I don't understand how you could have not seen the meta arguments

[SirCakez]

whoops I remembered him doing so
even disregarding the silent part, there are still obvious similarities in him coming under pressure here and there, then replacing out in both

[SirCakez]

Cakez: please check pepto's replace out in this game as well. pepto was town hre and his replace mirrors his scun replace in the game you linked.

hmmmm
ok i'll drop the meta argument then
but I still believe the slot is scum

[SirCakez]

The original deadline runs out in 3 hours....

[SirCakez]

Anyone not voting narna or magna needs to get their vote moved asap

[SirCakez]

come to chainsaw your buddy now?

[SirCakez]

come to chainsaw your buddy now?

Yup, this game is one of those games that I will test the boundaries of how scummy I can act before getting lynched. You got me.

knew it

VOTE A WAGON YOU SCRUBS

[SirCakez]

I don't think there's any chance a lynch happens if the original deadline is being followed at this point :/

[SirCakez]

I'll vote MoI if I have to just to get a damn lynch

[SirCakez]

if we lynch magna and he flips town can we lynch narna tomorrow?

[SirCakez]

if we lynch magna and he flips town can we lynch narna tomorrow?

Lining up lynches, are we?

lining up lynches is a garbage scumtell, town do it just as often, if not more, then scum
it's like AtE
thanks NC

VOTE: moi
I'm only doing this because we need a lynch badly and since he'll probably flip town, it will create lots of juicy vca, wagon analysis and what not tomorrow

[SirCakez]

this game was stale as hell
just getting a night and flip in is worth it, even if he's probably going to flip town

[SirCakez]

sooo we can kill this now!
VOTE: narna

the MoI wagon was probably infested with scum, will review that l8er

[SirCakez]

VOTE: SirCakez

"we needed the lynch even though he was flipping town"

really?

No lynching and not getting a flip is so great, isn't it?

/s

I could also vote Shiro judging from how little she contributed yesterday.

[SirCakez]

;(

[SirCakez]

oh yeah Nahdia is still scum too

[SirCakez]

VOTE: SlySly

I'd like to start with this.

Again avoiding voting your top scumread?

SlySly is scum because shadiness is a trait I prefer to see only in trees.

Yet, you make your claims in audio files that are against the rules. You should vote yourself.

This post was awful. His whole willing/not willing to hammer post was really bizarre too.

We are lynching Narna you plebs, get your votes on the wagon.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: SlySly

I'd like to start with this.

Again avoiding voting your top scumread?

SlySly is scum because shadiness is a trait I prefer to see only in trees.

Yet, you make your claims in audio files that are against the rules. You should vote yourself.

This post was awful. His whole willing/not willing to hammer post was really bizarre too.

We are lynching Narna you plebs, get your votes on the wagon.

Let me explain really slow for you.
1. I read McMenno as town
2. I didn't want to hammer town.
3. Ank agreed to hammer McMenno but he didn't.

Caught up?

How is this related to my post there at all?

VOTE: Creature
Plain and simple question:
@Creature: Why did you talk about a Cakez wagon in response to Not Chara's post when that was not what was discussed?

No we're lynching Narna

No. We are lynching McMenno.

Narna is town.

McMenno is likely lying ascetic. It doesn't make sense for a "mass roleblock" when most abilities for town are useless.

Which three?

You did Zakk, but the other two are...?

Andrius (tried to shoot Narna & myself) Shiro (had some investigation return nothing on McMenno)

why did you flavorclaim though

VOTE: McMenno

Look at the scum trying to save their buddy narna

<3 Gamma.
very busy today.
VOTE: McMenno

Andrius: it's just my avatar.

NC if you're town you need to get with the program

the MoI wagon was probably infested with scum, will review that l8er

This post was awful. His whole willing/not willing to hammer post was really bizarre too.

Why must you rag me for doing what you were too lazy to do but said you intended to later?

???

[SirCakez]

I've had Nahdia and Narna scumreads like the whole game
NC I've been townleaning tho

[SirCakez]

I disagree with you I don't think scum would so blatantly whiteknight me like she did when she entered(on Nahdia BTW).

who is this aimed at?

[SirCakez]

oh

This is nahdia
She does the unexpected as scum

[SirCakez]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=66605
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=67167

[SirCakez]

In bloodborne she used a ton of AtE and made plans in PTs that looked extremely town (made a big plot at one point that used various mechanic to try to find out how many scum there were), but she was scum
In true love, same thing, lots of AtE, playing against expectations, etc

[SirCakez]

How is this related to my post there at all?

It isn't. After reading your post again, I realized I misunderstood and made Post 3564 to answer properly.

Aha

His whole willing/not willing to hammer post was really bizarre too.

I misunderstood this. I got it now. What was bizarre about it? I can only hammer so I put a post up of who I am willing to hammer from the terribad MoI lynch.

But wtf was the relevance of the audio file to that?

Which three?

You did Zakk, but the other two are...?

Andrius (tried to shoot Narna & myself) Shiro (had some investigation return nothing on McMenno)

why did you flavorclaim though

VOTE: McMenno

Look at the scum trying to save their buddy narna

I mean, her vote on me for not dying was kind of contradicting the fact that Andrius had to have been roleblocked/failed action for her to be town. Those are some slick tunnel shades you got on though.

Yeah I think you're both scum

In bloodborne she used a ton of AtE and made plans in PTs that looked extremely town (made a big plot at one point that used various mechanic to try to find out how many scum there were), but she was scum
In true love, same thing, lots of AtE, playing against expectations, etc

i dont appeal to emotions i manipulate them.

Same thing

i also really don't think i AtE'd in yuri mafia either what the fuck dude. i'm a bit insulted. just a bit. i feel like we might have different definitions of AtE.

It felt like you did

oh hey i just figured it out. cakez is deathly paranoid of me after bloodborne and is scumreading everything i do no matter how much of a stretch it is because last time we played he was sure i was town and i ended up brutally murdering everyone.

This is somewhat accurate probably

[SirCakez]

The latest turn of events has me considering replacing out. This is ridiculous.

What events? You not getting your way?

Hey, take it where you can get it Nos. It's the only way you're mislynching today. McMenno is scum. Narna isn't. There hasn't been a single reason for Narna scum and a litany for McMenno. The only reason McMenno isn't in a pine box is because Narna and Nahdia have been discredited to the point where no one wants to be on a wagon with them. That's a dumb approach for a multitude of reasons.

So, we've reached the point where people have dug in and ceased to talk to each other or even rationally look at evidence. If you have to flip Narnia on Day 2 and then scum McMenno on Day 3, after I die. Go ahead, but don't act like I didn't call it.

Narna is just obvious scum though
He was a counterwagon to Magna and helped push the Magna wagon through. Like what other evidence do you need?

Cakez is on there.

So was Narna. Your point?

[SirCakez]

The latest turn of events has me considering replacing out. This is ridiculous.

What events? You not getting your way?

Yep, I don't like continually losing valuable teammates.

Cakez is on there.

So was Narna. Your point?

The point is, your name is underlined, you're worthy of a deeper look. Because of your reads consistently staying similar to my own, you're a tr to me at the moment. I'm focused on Shiro right now. If that proves fruitless, I'm digging into Leon. You're after him.

You mention Narna. Her name's underlined, I'm already willing to hammer her but it just doesn't seem like we can get the needed numbers. I don't think her buddies want her gone.

I misinterpreted your post, mmmk.

No problem.

We aren't going anywhere on Narna or McMenno. It's time to find a compromise. Andrius has offered up Not Chara, I have pushed for Shiro. Those who have read know where I'm going after her.

We should stay on narna. Giving in to his scum buddies and not lynching him would be dumb.

[SirCakez]

Sigh
Scum Narna going to escape again

A Narna lynch would be 5x more informative then a menno lynch

[SirCakez]

I thought A50 was already in the game for some reason lmao

[SirCakez]

Giovanni's vote sucks.


Cakez, probably because of Not Chara, who has a hydra with A50 called Almost Chara with a very similar profile picture. I got mixed up too.

that would make sense

Happy Halloween everyone!!

HURT: peregrinev

[SirCakez]

I was going to go fuck it and lynch Menno so that we could lynch names tomorrow, but then I realized that's the exact thing that happened yesterday with magna

Narna is going TODAY

[SirCakez]

It's like most of us are agreed on what needs to happen, but somehow we can't muster a majority of votes.

seems like....unnatural resistance

Giovanni's vote sucks.


Cakez, probably because of Not Chara, who has a hydra with A50 called Almost Chara with a very similar profile picture. I got mixed up too.

that would make sense

Happy Halloween everyone!!

HURT: peregrinev

Halloween hater, huh?

more like lurker hater

Also
Remember when I said earlier that when scum nahdia isn't under pressure she lurks?
yeah she's doing that now

[SirCakez]

I'm not even slightly lurking. I'm participating more than the vast majority of the table. Check your tunnel, SirCakez.

You've had like 0 game presence today.

[SirCakez]

No it's not?

[SirCakez]

In bloodborne you had to carry your cruddy scumteam so yes you were more active
But compare today to Yuri days 1/2
Super similar imo

[SirCakez]

And this game bears any kind of resemblance to a vanilla lover setup in which the strongest scumhunters in the game were all trying to throw themselves off a cliff... how?

Yuri mafia I literally didn't post d2 intentionally to give myself room to pivot later on. This game I've been updating & outting my reads constantly.

I didn't know this

Nahdia is town, get over it

NO

ok tbh Nahdia could be town
but I don't want to admit it

Tinfoil:

Narna is scum:
No one is hammering Menno because the scum are already there.
Townies who remain refuse to move.
I should really be studying.

This is probably accurate

[SirCakez]

Magna's lynch:
(12) MagnaofIllusion -- zakk, Nahdia, Not Chara, Narna, Firebringer, Maxous, Creature, Gamma Emerald, Nosferatu, SirCakez, Leonshade, Shiro

Unofficial current:
(10) McMenno -- Narna, Titus, massive, Shiro, Not Chara, Nahdia, PeregrineV, Leonshade, Giovanni il Pellegrino, Maxous

Problem is, McMenno's failed wagon yesterday was here:
(10) McMenno -- Maxous, Titus, massive, Creature, Firebringer, Nahdia, Not Chara, Narna, SirCakez, PeregrineV

Not on McMenno today but voted McMenno yesterday: Creature, Firebringer, SirCakez -- all three on the Magna lynch.

*shrug*

It's busywork but I did it.

I have since changed my mind since Narna is the counter to Menno
Also Menno's claim feels legit to me

[SirCakez]

Is it legit from a flavor standpoint, or from a role-based standpoint?

Both

Cakez, have you considered that it could be a fakeclaim given by the mod?

It could have been, but it just doesn't feel like one

if menno flips town i'll vote narna with you tomorrow.

I have 0 faith in this

Well there's the hammer I think
Good job to the town voting McMenno for letting scum Narna get away again!

[SirCakez]

VOTE: narna
This should have happened day 1
Scum have no way out of it today

If we just lynch everyone on the mcmenno wagon we win I think lol

[SirCakez]

No Menno flipping town doesn't make you scum, you being scum makes you scum

[SirCakez]

Dammit Shiro

I am Gerson - Psychologist

I can investigate a player every night and find out if they have or have had the ability to kill up until that point. So Massive has had no ability to kill as of n2, and therefore he is town.

This role sounds broken as hell. He didn't even give night 1 results initially.
Look at the scum trying to back off the wagon now

[SirCakez]

Dammit Shiro

I am Gerson - Psychologist

I can investigate a player every night and find out if they have or have had the ability to kill up until that point. So Massive has had no ability to kill as of n2, and therefore he is town.

Btw I checked sir cakie last night and I think he is cool. Not 100% solid but I think he is cool.

01 zakk

(Papyrus, Town Flavor Cop)

Was Killed on Night 1

16 McMenno

(sans, town lazy coroner)

Was Lynched on Day 2

so we have FOUR cops in this game??

To be fair the sans role was super super weak
But yeah that's one of the reasons I don't buy Narna's claim

I am getting this feeling this is a role madness.

Well it's bastard so yeah probably

Dammit Shiro

I am Gerson - Psychologist

I can investigate a player every night and find out if they have or have had the ability to kill up until that point. So Massive has had no ability to kill as of n2, and therefore he is town.

This role sounds broken as hell. He didn't even give night 1 results initially.
Look at the scum trying to back off the wagon now

Why does scum want to back off from the townie wagon sircakez?

Because it's actually a scum wagon

i embrace death.

Titus and Shiro are scum.

^
Shiro lynch tomorrow sounds good
Narna is obv scum trolling

[SirCakez]

Oh Giovanni is in the Yume/House slot? That can die too.

[SirCakez]

if that's legit im going to scream

[SirCakez]

i wish I could have some of that

[SirCakez]

just look at the seal cakez
just look at the seal

[SirCakez]

oh look people are trying to pocket leon
I wonder why that could be

VOTE: shiro

[SirCakez]

unbelievable
narna has dodged the lynch THREE FUCKING DAYS IN A ROW

I hope you're all proud of yourselves

[SirCakez]

dayvig: sircakez

im done

[SirCakez]

I would go that route too but I don't want to abandon Skull's last game
P-edit: That's also possible actually. I didn't consider scum governor, but it's not off the table (there was one in Musical Mafia)

[SirCakez]

really I don't think I've ever seen blatant scum walk over the town so utterly

[SirCakez]

yes I am frustrated that scum has escaped a lynch three days in a row because of two other mislynches that I had correct reads on and now a shitty govern
Dealwithit
Also PLing snarky now would be stupid

[SirCakez]

I was scum there

[SirCakez]

Sheri is my preference atm

[SirCakez]

Shiro*
FFS

[SirCakez]

Do people believe Giovanni here?

This is the second time Creature says he wants to lynch Maxous and I. My objection here is that I am a weak role who targeted Maxous at night, so, barring shenanigans, I should have been dead if he was scum.

Another cop-esque claim? I could only buy this if Shiro was scum, and even then it's iffy.
Giovanni since you already claimed what's your other result?

Oh Giovanni is in the Yume/House slot? That can die too.

Hey, Cakez. Can I die too? What if I ask nicely?

Nope

[SirCakez]

I would also wagon Leon fyi

[SirCakez]

I can't wagon them both ffs
Shiro first

[SirCakez]

But Titus, Shiro is being bad.
Why you townreading Shiro?

Shiro should totally be scum reading me right now, and he isn't.

I don't see Shiro being bad?
Because Shiro is being good.

I don't see why Shiro should be scumreading you.

Shiro played with me as scum.
Shiro saw me play with complete apathy to the game.

Its like exactly like I am here.
How can Shiro ignore that?

Shiro = Scum.

So, one meta game. Really fire? When everyone is apathetic?

@SirCakez, Stop voting the good miller cop then and vote the evil scum governor. Why Shiro first?

Because Shiro probably has some scum abilities we don't know about while Leon prob only has 1 scum govern shot (any more would be OP)

Do people believe Giovanni here?

This is the second time Creature says he wants to lynch Maxous and I. My objection here is that I am a weak role who targeted Maxous at night, so, barring shenanigans, I should have been dead if he was scum.

Another cop-esque claim? I could only buy this if Shiro was scum, and even then it's iffy.
Giovanni since you already claimed what's your other result?

I have no other result. My ability is even-night (Night 2, Night 4 etc) only.

<.<
Weak is basically a Cop

[SirCakez]

<.<
Weak is basically a Cop

If you use "cop" to generally describe an investigative role, then yes, I am cop-like.

You get told whether your target is scum or not (indirectly)
That's basically a cop, no?

Because Shiro probably has some scum abilities we don't know about while Leon prob only has 1 scum govern shot (any more would be OP)

Agreed, but this is also why Narna needs to go before Leon. Leon is most likely out of shots.

We can't get rid of Narna today though.

@SirCakez, Leonshade scum nets us two scum. Shiro scum has little evidence.

@SlySly, I agree with Narna bring more powerful but every roleblocker (Nahdia especially) and their brother will be on Narna if Leon flips scum. Not much use to uber abilities if blocked.

There's a lot of evidence for Shiro scum. Look how she's been lurking and defending Narna all day.

[SirCakez]

@SirCakez, Shiro isn't lurking and defending simultaneously. I just think he's wrong. Still that's also associative read no?

She was lurking earlier, before the narna wagon seriously formed

Sly. I missed you.

VOTE: Leonshade

I had to take a walk around the block and get some air. All is well now. Thank you for the warm welcome back.
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@SlySly, I agree with Narna bring more powerful but every roleblocker (Nahdia especially) and their brother will be on Narna if Leon flips scum. Not much use to uber abilities if blocked.

I'm fine with hammering Leon.
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There's a lot of evidence for Shiro scum. Look how she's been lurking and defending Narna all day.

Let's not forget her emerging from lurkland to quick hammer MoI on D1.

Also this Titus

<.<
Weak is basically a Cop

If you use "cop" to generally describe an investigative role, then yes, I am cop-like.

You get told whether your target is scum or not (indirectly)
That's basically a cop, no?

Yes, that is basically a cop, however, I am not a cop. I was reluctant to explain, but my role is so weak that it doesn't really matter. I am an even-night weak follower. Weak as in, if my target is not Town, I die.

I know what Weak is ffs

[SirCakez]

I haven't checked in here in over a day and 0 progress has been made
I would do a Titus wagon if it happened just for her shady-ass attempt to get a NC wagon going

[SirCakez]

I haven't checked in here in over a day and 0 progress has been made
I would do a Titus wagon if it happened just for her shady-ass attempt to get a NC wagon going

Hey, I love your shade here.

Just what do you think is shady about my attempts to push NC?

It's obvtown

[SirCakez]

Yeah, it ain't.

It won't lynch the obviously scum governor, analyze why Narna's role looks bad and this push on me emerges not after I was wrong on McMenno but when I push back and call the lot of them scum.

Considering how powerful governor is, I don't blame it for not wanting to lynch him
After we get scum narna flipped then I'll see

[SirCakez]

Right now I'm taking a great interest in sorting out Cakez. I've never been good at reading him, but I'm not going to give up until I do get a solid read. Right now he's a strong scum lean. Creature is right above him, and Narna is my 3rd scum read, but he is off the list for today.

I'm interested in your reasoning for this

I do want you lynched. I want Narna lynched. I want Leon lynched.

Please, if you think I ever back off from a challenge without evidence...

Person please. [Tone: Bitch Please]

Nahdia hasn't given an explanation although I think she tried so I stopped hounding, because she tried but cannot. I cannot get blood from a stone.

Titus your ridiculous refusal to lynch someone other then NC or Leon right now is awful

OK.. TIME OUT, EVERYONE. What if we flash wagon Leon today, force him to govern himself, then we lynch someone else, but we KNOW we can lynch Leon/Narna tomorrow if we still feel like it?

P-edit:

Snarky is NOT scum in this game. FGS, this is the most active game I have seen him play.

Leon can't govern again today according to his claim

My issue is now I can't see Leon's claim being scum if it is like he's claimed it as. It would be way too powerful.

If we're going into a Titus vs NC wagon situation, I'm on Titus

[SirCakez]

What townblock?

[SirCakez]

We already knew narna was scum a while ago