STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[Shiro]

Here, this is pretty neat one. I

[Firebringer]

Me and Shiro have spoken.
Titus shall now be D.va

[Reasonably Rational]

@Varsoon: Please clarify how season finale alliances will work. Do all members involved need to submit the other two members names? If one of the members doesn't, does that mean no alliance will form?

-Cerb

[Not Chara]

Shiro, where did your hunting go?

[Varsoon]

@Varsoon: Please clarify how season finale alliances will work. Do all members involved need to submit the other two members names? If one of the members doesn't, does that mean no alliance will form?

-Cerb

I was going to send this out with the Climax-Start PM, but you've gone and forced my hand!
You'll submit a primary and a secondary choice. You can, as always, submit both, one, or none.
You'll always ally with preference to your primary choice.
You'll only ally with the third member if both primary allies pick third member as their secondary choice and the third member has either as their primary.
The only exception is if there's a perfect loop.
Some Examples:
1. Cheetory picks Varsoon (primary).
Varsoon picks Cheetory (primary) and Skullduggery (secondary).
Skullduggery picks Cheetory (primary) and Varsoon (secondary).
Only Varsoon and Cheetory end up in an Alliance, since they were the primary pair. Skullduggery is left out because Cheetory did not pick Skullduggery as a secondary.

2. Varsoon picks MetalSonic (primary) and Andrius (secondary).
MetalSonic picks Andrius (primary) and Varsoon (secondary).
Andrius picks Varsoon (primary) and Metal Sonic (secondary).
All three will end up in the same Alliance, since they formed a 3-player loop.

In short, you can submit a primary and a secondary choice. I'll handle it on my end to get everyone where they need to be.

[TheWayItEnds]

farside what happens if you reach your win condition?

[farside22]

farside what happens if you reach your win condition?

I leave the game with a 3rd party win condition flip.

[Shiro]

Shiro, where did your hunting go?

well I am pretty certain that Dgb is scum but I dunno how to really support

[McMenno]

vote snarky dgb is scum too but most likely traitor

[Randomnamechange]

I concur on DGB scum

[Yume]

Well, I don't feel like posting anything substantial at the moment due to some issues. That is all.

[Titus]

i'll settle for DGB if y'all vote her.

I promised I would vote Snarky but apparently the support to lynch Snarky is not there.

[SnarkySnowman]

VOTE: DGB

but I still want Farside.

[TheWayItEnds]

farside what happens if you reach your win condition?

I leave the game with a 3rd party win condition flip.

what happens if you get lynched again?

[TheWayItEnds]

i'll settle for DGB if y'all vote her.

I promised I would vote Snarky but apparently the support to lynch Snarky is not there.

i mean at some point we'll have to lynch snarky.

[Yume]

@Fire He told me that

Spoiler:

once the game is over I will have another alt. That means more chances.

[SnarkySnowman]

Hey TWIE do you have an alliance for tonight?

[Firebringer]

@Fire He told me that

Spoiler:

once the game is over I will have another alt. That means more chances.

Well I hope you play the alt better.

[TheWayItEnds]

just whatever was on the chart

[SnarkySnowman]

Ally with me instead actually

[TheWayItEnds]

haha the chart says were allying anyway.

fucking lol

[Titus]

@Fire He told me that

Spoiler:

once the game is over I will have another alt. That means more chances.

Well I hope you play the alt better.

Fire, this is not helpful. Yume has made great strides this game, regardless of her reads and is under tremendous pressure. Try a little empathy k?

[Firebringer]

I am no longer commenting on Yumes play this game.
I disagree extremely with that statement on strides, beyond staying active.

Which I guess is a noteworthy feat, and should be commended for her.
Good job on that Yume.

[MagnaofIllusion]

It was only today, when mastin revealed that she and Yume DID NOT possess the same information, and Yume undertook a distinctly anti-town (though possibly pro-gem) stance regarding flipping klingon, that I was forced to press her to reconcile those actions with her stated pro-town win condition.

It was the CONTRADICTION between her stated goal and her actions that caused a problem for me, NOT the fact that she is third party. That's irrelevant.

So once again – you didn’t wait for mastin to clear up things and leapt to assumptions about a contradiction that frankly didn’t exist. Because there is an aspect to Klingon being unflipped that still is probably not known to you and changes the equation completely.

I’ve redacted the rest of the post because I don’t care whether you both think you are the gods of Mafia or not and regardless of all the nice pretty words posted here your actions today show an underlying goal of making sure the status of the Crystal Gems has been as muddled as possible. Which I don’t see as very Town oriented thinking if you supposedly think the Gems are Pro-Town.

So you say, but we ONLY HAVE YOUR WORD FOR IT.

Your win con not flipping is really shitty if Varsoon really designed it that way.

Of course, the fact that your win con doesn't flip IS weak evidence that you actually ARE designed as an X person masonry, because without the automatic clearing of other members that comes from a pro-town win con, the strength of said masonry is notably reduced...but that doesn't make it impossible for you to be working towards your own ends.

I mean hell, flavorwise, maybe all you guys need to do to win is remove jaspar, and recruit lapis/peridot/bismuth. That would put your win con aligned with town assuming jaspar is the traitor, while still allowing you to win through some other means the removing ALL the scum.

And this is the kind of post that supports my suspicion.

Do you believe Mastin has a Masonry with Yume or not? This isn’t a trick question.

If you do all your “We can only take your word for it” is empty fluff since the existence of a Masonry assures that it is meaningless to continue to poke holes and undermine.

If you don’t why do you treat Mastin as confirmed Town?

The Gems win when Town wins and lose when Town loses. Simple as that.

[Reasonably Rational]

I believe mastin has a neighborhood with Yume, and that as a result of that hood being created yume learned mastin was town, and mastin learned Yume was Steven.

That doesn't sound like a masonry to me, and it actually can't be a masonry, since mastin is not aware, via mod confirmation, of Yume's win condition.

Mastin remains confirmed town, however, because the only way she isn't is if she IS indeed a gem with Yume and all her misunderstandings amd claims of certainty about aspects of the setup which are demonstrably false was a ploy to be considered confirmed town(or in a even more unlikely scenario, if she and Yume are scum together, which is even less plausible)

The problem with THAT line of reasoning, though, is that as a third party, she doesn't want scum to think she's confirmed town, or she'll get killed. It's a lot of work for a complex play that is simply bad, and mastin isn't bad.

You are right though, in that our goal with regards to the crystal gems has been to ensure that town isn't complacent and doesn't make stupid assumptions with no mechanical suppprt for said assumptions. You call it "making sure the status of the Crystal Gems is aa muddled as possible", I call it not letting town be the type of stupid I've come to expect from towns if you don't hold their hands.

Also, circling back to that first post...there WAS a contradiction . When I get home I'll go find the posts, but you could do it yourself if you'd like. Just ISO mastin and Yume together, and see what they both have to say about the causes of firebringer removal, amd klingon's death. The explanation for said contradiction was underwhelming and unsubstantiated.

-Cerb