STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[farside22]

So any objects to snarky lynch today?
He didn't claim when I asked.
I did make a promise for that lynch to happen so......?
Speak now because I feel in my bones he's scum here.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@ far
I do..bc I am not sure he is scum right now
why should he claim......
okay

[Titus]

So any objects to snarky lynch today?
He didn't claim when I asked.
I did make a promise for that lynch to happen so......?
Speak now because I feel in my bones he's scum here.

He didn't claim when scum asked.

That's not a cause for lynching.

Like I was voting Snarky to keep the game peace but the votes are not there.

[Reasonably Rational]

So any objects to snarky lynch today?
He didn't claim when I asked.
I did make a promise for that lynch to happen so......?
Speak now because I feel in my bones he's scum here.

Please don't unilaterally end the day just yet. Cerb and I are talking and we will be info dumping our thoughts to A50. Will give you the all clear if it's your intent to just do it for whatever reason (I assume because the game has slowed to a crawl and you want to just get on with it?).

~Drixx

[Titus]

@Cerb do you townread DGB?

[grapes]

This game needs flips desperately.

[Titus]

Agreed. Mastina and I have large swaths where we agree and it's so easy to get caught up in disagreement because of no flips to provide feedback.

[Reasonably Rational]

@Cerb do you townread DGB?

Is this specifically for Cerb or have you taken up the habit of a couple of others and call both of us Cerb?

~Drixx

[Not Chara]

let's flip Snarky.
i take a Snowman Piece. i take a Snowman Piece. i take a Snowman Piece.
oops, there's no snow left to take.

[grapes]

I'll go out on a limb here and say that Snarky doesn't have the votes atm primarily because he's scum. With a dash of confirm-town defending him.

All 3 of his scumreads this game have been 0-100. Stances are positions, not processes.

His cakes stance in particular looks like bussing; pulling a name out of a hat and scumreading him for things that weren't really why cakes was scum.

Nobody is town-reading him either. Just other people are more scummy.

Which brings us back to the game needing flips. Like, DGB lynch wouldn't get any argument from me. Farside either really; but that's primarily because I'm always skeptical of the age-old "i can win with town"

Meh, just kinda wish we were "caught up" I guess is the best phrase I can think of.

[MagnaofIllusion]

It is

probable

(imo, and I think Cerb would agree) that the Crystal Gems are compatible with us. It is not something that we

know

by any stretch, nor is it something we have enough information TO know. There are other possibilities that could be in play here. Varsoon delights in coming up with new things and seeing how those new things impact the play and rhetoric of mafia. Most of you in the game have to admit that it's distinctly possible that this game is a three way brawl where each faction has its own win condition. We would be making less of an issue of ensuring that people are AWARE of this possibility if things had played out differently. Assuming the wincon for the CGs is what Yume told us it is, then there were a whole bunch of moves made that just served to make it harder to take that at face value.

I would best describe my current mindset as warily trusting. I think the flavor of the show argues for the Gems (really Steven moreso than the gems) being protective of humans and Earth; however, the flavor of the show also deals with the idea of the homeworld gems vs. the crystal gems and the collateral damage caused by their conflict, and if THAT is the particular angle this game is focusing on, then things may not be as they have been claimed.

Pointing out a possibility and saying keep it in mind is prudent. We're being prudent. I'm really quite sorry if the CG wincon is what we were told and anything we've said has offended someone who was assigned to that faction this game, but that's mafia. If you aren't actually sharing my wincon, then your wincon is secondary to me until I know, FOR SURE, that you winning doesn't mean I lose. And given that people were talking about members of a THIRD PARTY FACTION with terms like "conftown", it's prudent to point out that they may not actually be.

Can we just leave it at that? We lack the necessary hard information to really take this discussion any further. I mean ... if you guys have a different win con and feel like you want to just come clean, that would certainly let us all know where we stand relative to one another. But ... if you have the wincon we were told, we can't know that for sure until we see. If your wincon is not compatible to ours, you have every reason to hide that fact and so we come back to Prudence. We're simply being prudent.

~Drixx

Thanks for this overly word explanation that can be generically summed up as saying "We are playing Mafia, we can't see your Role Pms".

The irony is that you were earlier selling my suspicion of you with "OMGUS" when this is exactly why I have questions and some concerns about your slot. I see posting that doesn't to me ring true and a massive focus on what you are selling as "being prudent". I can't see your Role PM and am not going to "just take your word for it". Thus you are in my suspicion pool.

[MagnaofIllusion]

VOTE: DGB

While I have others I'd prefer lynched I'm going to follow Titus's suggestion.

All 3 of his scumreads this game have been 0-100. Stances are positions, not processes.

Welcome to playing Mafia with SnarkySnowman.

Seriously. Go through his threads and look at any completed games. Look at the how he communicates his suspicions pretty much regardless of alignment as far as I can tell.

[Creature]

VOTE: DGB

Guess we finally decided to lynch scum.

[Reasonably Rational]

It is

probable

(imo, and I think Cerb would agree) that the Crystal Gems are compatible with us. It is not something that we

know

by any stretch, nor is it something we have enough information TO know. There are other possibilities that could be in play here. Varsoon delights in coming up with new things and seeing how those new things impact the play and rhetoric of mafia. Most of you in the game have to admit that it's distinctly possible that this game is a three way brawl where each faction has its own win condition. We would be making less of an issue of ensuring that people are AWARE of this possibility if things had played out differently. Assuming the wincon for the CGs is what Yume told us it is, then there were a whole bunch of moves made that just served to make it harder to take that at face value.

I would best describe my current mindset as warily trusting. I think the flavor of the show argues for the Gems (really Steven moreso than the gems) being protective of humans and Earth; however, the flavor of the show also deals with the idea of the homeworld gems vs. the crystal gems and the collateral damage caused by their conflict, and if THAT is the particular angle this game is focusing on, then things may not be as they have been claimed.

Pointing out a possibility and saying keep it in mind is prudent. We're being prudent. I'm really quite sorry if the CG wincon is what we were told and anything we've said has offended someone who was assigned to that faction this game, but that's mafia. If you aren't actually sharing my wincon, then your wincon is secondary to me until I know, FOR SURE, that you winning doesn't mean I lose. And given that people were talking about members of a THIRD PARTY FACTION with terms like "conftown", it's prudent to point out that they may not actually be.

Can we just leave it at that? We lack the necessary hard information to really take this discussion any further. I mean ... if you guys have a different win con and feel like you want to just come clean, that would certainly let us all know where we stand relative to one another. But ... if you have the wincon we were told, we can't know that for sure until we see. If your wincon is not compatible to ours, you have every reason to hide that fact and so we come back to Prudence. We're simply being prudent.

~Drixx

Thanks for this overly word explanation that can be generically summed up as saying "We are playing Mafia, we can't see your Role Pms".

The irony is that you were earlier selling my suspicion of you with "OMGUS" when this is exactly why I have questions and some concerns about your slot. I see posting that doesn't to me ring true and a massive focus on what you are selling as "being prudent". I can't see your Role PM and am not going to "just take your word for it". Thus you are in my suspicion pool.

Okay then; we can sniff each other's asses until we're mutually satisfied. That's the point of the game.

~Drixx

[Not Chara]

why does the DGB wagon have to be happening now that i want Snarky dead more?
oh well.

[farside22]

@ far
I do..bc I am not sure he is scum right now
why should he claim......
okay

I'm thinking of hammering him.

Plus I said I would.

My issue with dgb is I don't see dgb/snarky scum team and snarky like I said is lurking more the usual and despite what Shiro says this game, snarky does explain things more then he does and can flutter between wagons if he thinks players are scum.
Currently he's only listed 2 scum reads and lurked a lot.

[Titus]

I'll go out on a limb here and say that Snarky doesn't have the votes atm primarily because he's scum. With a dash of confirm-town defending him.

All 3 of his scumreads this game have been 0-100. Stances are positions, not processes.

His cakes stance in particular looks like bussing; pulling a name out of a hat and scumreading him for things that weren't really why cakes was scum.

Nobody is town-reading him either. Just other people are more scummy.

Which brings us back to the game needing flips. Like, DGB lynch wouldn't get any argument from me. Farside either really; but that's primarily because I'm always skeptical of the age-old "i can win with town"

Meh, just kinda wish we were "caught up" I guess is the best phrase I can think of.

I am townreading Snarky. Please it's ok to disagree but do not misrep me. Snarky doesn't have votes because people think you're wrong.

[farside22]

It doesn't hurt that those I'm not strongly town reading or scum reading are supporting a dgb lynch.

[Titus]

@ far
I do..bc I am not sure he is scum right now
why should he claim......
okay

I'm thinking of hammering him.

Plus I said I would.

My issue with dgb is I don't see dgb/snarky scum team and snarky like I said is lurking more the usual and despite what Shiro says this game, snarky does explain things more then he does and can flutter between wagons if he thinks players are scum.
Currently he's only listed 2 scum reads and lurked a lot.

Let's be real here, a DGB flip would confirm to most rational people that you are not protown if she's town and you have stated outright that you are not playing for town but your 3p win con.

[grapes]

If DGB is traitor then interactions there are bound to be off anyway.

I've just never seen so much resistance to a snarky-esque player lynch before.

[Titus]

If DGB is scum, you're wanting to help them, so yeah. You have vested interest in not flipping DGB.

[Titus]

If DGB is traitor then interactions there are bound to be off anyway.

I've just never seen so much resistance to a snarky-esque player lynch before.

Yeah, happened in Machina Mafia. I pushed that lynch through anyway. Compare the ISOs.

[grapes]

I am townreading Snarky. Please it's ok to disagree but do not misrep me. Snarky doesn't have votes because people think you're wrong.

I don't think I'm misrepping you -- it's just that there's a lot of things floating around making it okay for people to duck this.

[Not Chara]

DGB isn't flipping earth-aligned. i can tell you that much.

at this point, i couldn't care less which is flipped. both are not town but for a few reasons Snarky is the better lynch for today.
town should want farside to use her points on a Snarky lynch, anyway.

[farside22]

@ far
I do..bc I am not sure he is scum right now
why should he claim......
okay

I'm thinking of hammering him.

Plus I said I would.

My issue with dgb is I don't see dgb/snarky scum team and snarky like I said is lurking more the usual and despite what Shiro says this game, snarky does explain things more then he does and can flutter between wagons if he thinks players are scum.
Currently he's only listed 2 scum reads and lurked a lot.

Let's be real here, a DGB flip would confirm to most rational people that you are not protown if she's town and you have stated outright that you are not playing for town but your 3p win con.

If snarky flips scum are you going to change your read on me or not?