Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[MagnaofIllusion]

VOTE: Narna

[House]

@Magna: the character I'm referring to is almost definitely not pro-town.

STOP TRYING TO OUTGUESS THE MOD IN A BASTARD GAME.

Seriously. Because if I was Skull I'd absolutely make the character in question Town just to fuck with assumptions like this ...

You scum bro?

[MagnaofIllusion]

You scum bro?

Nope.

Are you?

If not and think Narna's scum why are you not voting her to help advance the day?

[SlySly]

@Magna: the character I'm referring to is almost definitely not pro-town.

STOP TRYING TO OUTGUESS THE MOD IN A BASTARD GAME.

Seriously. Because if I was Skull I'd absolutely make the character in question Town just to fuck with assumptions like this ...

You scum bro?

Using your scumhunting method, MOI has to be town, he's an experienced player that's good.

[House]

You scum bro?

Nope.

Are you?

If not and think Narna's scum why are you not voting her to help advance the day?

Because I just woke up to a shitton of posts across the site that I have to catch up with and this thread is low on my priority list due to the volume.

[Accountant]

You scum bro?

Nope.

Are you?

If not and think Narna's scum why are you not voting her to help advance the day?

Because I just woke up to a shitton of posts across the site that I have to catch up with and this thread is low on my priority list due to the volume.

You have 224 posts here, the next highest poster is 160.

[zakk]

i'm not floating anything

i wasn't going over the people in my wagon saying "he's scum, he's scum, he's scum"

i was going over the votes on my waon saying "this is a bullshit vote, this is a bullshit vote, this is a bullshit vote"

so what point am i avoiding?

you're totally misrepping me.

Um look a complete and utter dodge. For those who doubt zakk isn’t scum just making up things on the fly let’s revisit the posts I was discussing.

I also want to address this post.

zakk is great at faking scumhunting as scum
I wouldn't townread him for that yet

I have played at least five or six games with SirCakez in the last year or so.
In every game where he is scum, he drums up the fact that I'm really good at scum, and that people shouldn't trust me.

Compare

:

Kuribo in Wonderland:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk

Street Fighter Mafia:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk

Mass Effect Mafia:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk

Magical Girls Mafia:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk

Look at the way he constantly doubtcasts me, but ESPECIALLY as scum.

Note that I am town in all of these scenarios.
The only time I've been scum around SirCakez is when we were scum

together

, here:

Killer Instinct Mafia:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66274

So throw that in the pot along with all the votes which have been influenced by SirCakez.

That's all.

So 565 is where zakk goes to great length to show a multiple meta examples of SirCakez as scum doubtcasting him. Read that post in full and then look at the next post in the chain that I was pointing out.

also for those of you voting sircakez saying that it was my reasoning that helped you get to that point, you're probably full of shit

because all my posts 565 and 569 really did was show that cakez has a habit of suspecting me, and that his suspicion should be taken with a grain of salt

i didn't create a case for him to be scum, i didn't even say i had a scum read on him. i just said what he has done before, and as which alignment

i don't have a scum read on him, and actually don't think i've considered him scummy more than a couple times this game

so park that wagon, turn it around, and start barking up another tree, comprende? thxxxxx

So in 932 he specifically says that 565 was not a “case” and he doesn’t scum read SirCakez, that the people who used 565 as reasoning to vote SirCakez are “probably full of shit” and SirCakez isn’t scummy.

I point this out and zakk tries to ignore it until I point out his ignoring it for everyone to see.

Now look at his response I quoted above … does that look like anything coming from a Town perspective to you?

Firstly he mis-identifies the issue completely – he’s trying to say I’m “misrepping” his intention. Yet what was the intention of 565 then? It certainly doesn’t reasonably appear to me that he’s saying “Sir Cakez suspicion should be taken with a grain of salt”. If so he could have just typed that and not gone to the trouble of linking multiple games. That post says “Sir Cakez always does this when he’s scum”. His subsequent backpedaling is zakk scum play – flip flop constantly on positions regarding players to establish a pattern of “that’s how I play” so he can’t be held accountable for suspicions. He did that in Adventure Mafia all the time … in fact in the Mafia PT I had to warn him off doing it with Titus later in the game as it was going to get him lynched.

And this isn’t the only example of him here – now suddenly Andrius “isn’t a good lynch” just for providing a wall post. Keep in mind he’s been calling Andrius scum for most of the limited day. Can scum wallpost? Certainly. And he makes absolutely zero comment about any of the content of Andy’s post … just that he shouldn’t be lynched today if he posts like that. Switching gears off an unpopular push but leaving plenty of wiggle room to later say “Oh, I still think he’s scum, blah blah blah”.

Zakk is pretty obvious at this point.

You must not have even clicked on those games I linked because cakez was only scum in like one of them

You ask me not to spam and then you make this entire huge post about a fabrication so obviously wrong and easily disproven

You disappoint me. I expect better play than this if you're town. Hell I expect better if you're scum too

[zakk]

Oh and re: Andy if you think he's scum you should vote him, otherwise you should shut up about me changing my mind about him once he started not being a useless excuse abuser and made what by most accounts appears to be a damn good post

[zakk]

This being a bastard game I wanna try something.

VOTE: Skullduggery

VOTE: Skullduggery

VOTE: Skullduggery
Thank me if something bad happens.

VOTE: skullduggery

Hey look it's snarky snowman

He only shows up once a year, just like normal snowmen

But for him it's different. He doesn't wait for Christmas

He only shows up for bullshit reasons

Like voting the mod

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

[MagnaofIllusion]

In every game where he is scum, he drums up the fact that I'm really good at scum, and that people shouldn't trust me.

Compare:

Kuribo in Wonderland: viewtopic.php?t=66574&f=56&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&user_select%5B%5D=26092&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_sort=Go&hilit=zakk

Street Fighter Mafia: viewtopic.php?t=67071&f=3&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&user_select%5B%5D=26092&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_sort=Go&hilit=zakk

Mass Effect Mafia: viewtopic.php?t=66512&f=56&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&user_select%5B%5D=26092&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_sort=Go&hilit=zakk

Magical Girls Mafia: viewtopic.php?t=67527&f=23&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&user_select%5B%5D=26092&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_sort=Go&hilit=zakk

Look at the way he constantly doubtcasts me, but ESPECIALLY as scum.

I've bolded the very important points of zakk's original posting to show that his response is the timid response of scum who is trying to just say "You didn't read all my pointless links" and dodges the salient point that 565 is an attempt to paint Sir Cakez as scum for suspecting him that he later back-pedaled on like an All Pro lock-down cornerback.

I got a hearty chuckle at the "Oh, you are playing bad" Ad Homenium. It's sad and makes me fairly sure I'm on track ...

[zakk]

I don't like how he dismissed my post calling him out

It's fine to say Accountant is wrong and terrible, but to completely refuse to engage with that is very bad on zakk's part. I'm not sure if it's actual scummy thinking or just his cockiness though.

Did you just refer to yourself in the third person

Also what did I refuse to engage with

Also yes I'm cocky AF

[zakk]

In every game where he is scum, he drums up the fact that I'm really good at scum, and that people shouldn't trust me.

Compare:

Kuribo in Wonderland: viewtopic.php?t=66574&f=56&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&user_select%5B%5D=26092&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_sort=Go&hilit=zakk

Street Fighter Mafia: viewtopic.php?t=67071&f=3&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&user_select%5B%5D=26092&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_sort=Go&hilit=zakk

Mass Effect Mafia: viewtopic.php?t=66512&f=56&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&user_select%5B%5D=26092&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_sort=Go&hilit=zakk

Magical Girls Mafia: viewtopic.php?t=67527&f=23&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&user_select%5B%5D=26092&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_sort=Go&hilit=zakk

Look at the way he constantly doubtcasts me, but ESPECIALLY as scum.

I've bolded the very important points of zakk's original posting to show that his response is the timid response of scum who is trying to just say "You didn't read all my pointless links" and dodges the salient point that 565 is an attempt to paint Sir Cakez as scum for suspecting him that he later back-pedaled on like an All Pro lock-down cornerback.

I got a hearty chuckle at the "Oh, you are playing bad" Ad Homenium. It's sad and makes me fairly sure I'm on track ...

Did you read the links yes or no

[zakk]

I'm not trying to paint cakes as scum nor have I ever been

Saying he does something as both alignments, but especially as scum, and then linking to instances of him doing it as both alignments, and asking people to compare, is not saying "hey look you guys cakes is scum this game"

It's saying "hey look you guys cakes is doing the exact same thing he does every game

Also! Here's some information if you think you want to look further into it, but I don't think it's alignment indicative at this point "

You can either accept that explanation or not, there's nothing left to explain

Feel free to ask cakes to confirm or deny the validity of what I posted. note that he's not even hounding me anymore

Now it's just you. And it looks like you're trying to cause a distraction

Why do you think the wagon on me evaporated? It was because I stopped acting scummy on purpose, and that was one of the posts where I did it, and if you can't see that then that means you're either a) playing dumb or b) being dumb, so it's not at hominem it's just stating the facts

lol Magna you can't get me lynched for scum intent

There is none to point out

[Not Chara]

VOTE: Magna
still have read nothing besides recent pages. i'm a lazy, lazy student.
zakk, help a div out.

[zakk]

1386 is more doubtcasting by zakk. It’s like he said “hey, I can undermine SlySly’s reads with babble about playstyles and not call him scum”.[/quote]
This is exactly right.

I don't really think he's gone but I think his reads list is a pile of steaming crap.

[Gamma Emerald]

zakk you broke the quote tag

[PeregrineV]

At this point in the game, I am not for an Andrius lynch.

What are your reads?

Scummy are
01 zakk
02 SirCakez
10 Nosferatu
11 Nahdia
12 Accountant

Need more are
01 zakk
02 SirCakez
08 Shiro
16 McMenno
17 SnarkySnowman
20 Leonshade
21 Andrius
22 massive

Want more are
14 Ankamius
15 SlySly
18 Narna

[zakk]

I don't like how he dismissed my post calling him out

It's fine to say Accountant is wrong and terrible, but to completely refuse to engage with that is very bad on zakk's part. I'm not sure if it's actual scummy thinking or just his cockiness though.

Given he uses his cockiness as a shield when playing scum I don't think giving him excuses is a wise course of action.

Hey look I publicly admitted it if you post ago

Feel free to say that you "called it" LOL

[zakk]

At this point in the game, I am not for an Andrius lynch.

What are your reads?

Scummy are
01 zakk
02 SirCakez
10 Nosferatu
11 Nahdia
12 Accountant

Need more are
01 zakk
02 SirCakez
08 Shiro
16 McMenno
17 SnarkySnowman
20 Leonshade
21 Andrius
22 massive

Want more are
14 Ankamius
15 SlySly
18 Narna

You're missing magna in the scum part

And move me to town while you're at it

[PeregrineV]

Well toodles ... off to spend time with my family.

Zakk, Nhadia and Pepto are all grade A lynches.

@Peregrine

- can you support any of those?

I'm still trying to determine that, for zakk and Nhadia.

Let's see what Narna does for the Pepto slot.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Peregrine how do you not have a read on me by now?

[PeregrineV]

Other:

McMenno and Peptobislawl; I think there's 1 scum and 1 town in there. Really not sure which is which, could lynch either atm but would appreciate seeing content from a Pepto replacement beforehand obviously.

does this not look like setting up a mislynch to you

It looks like a dichotomous statement that probably cannot be backed up, and therefore will be ignored, but which, yes, does, lend itself towards scumreading Nhadia.

[zakk]

zakk you broke the quote tag

Oops

1386 is more doubtcasting by zakk. It’s like he said “hey, I can undermine SlySly’s reads with babble about playstyles and not call him scum”.

This is exactly right.

I don't really think he's

scum

but I think his reads list is a pile of steaming crap.

Fixed! Sry

I was trying not to mega quote magnas huge post 1418 on mobile and look what it got me
Haha now you see why I do that

[zakk]

PV i'm shaking my head and clicking my tongue at you

[PeregrineV]

Other:

McMenno and Peptobislawl; I think there's 1 scum and 1 town in there. Really not sure which is which, could lynch either atm but would appreciate seeing content from a Pepto replacement beforehand obviously.

does this not look like setting up a mislynch to you

THIS
Why would he say it's setting up a mislynch if he scumreads Pepto.
McMenno has stated a scumread on Pepto. However, he is saying Nahdia is setting up mislynches. That must mean he believes both Pepto and himself are town.
Do you see the contradiction?

To me, this is saying that McMenno knows he could be wrong about Pepto, and knowing his own alignment, he probably sees this as no matter Pepto's flip, he would be next according to Nahdia's logic.

But, I get the angle your coming from. Do you have anything else that tells you McMenno is scum, or is this it?