Application of WOTC

[House]

see?! your saying they are just "as bad" so you agree you made some errors as well!

Thats the first step for improving. Isolate yourself and detect those errors! ignore the rest.

no it really isn't, it's just deflection

what?

deflection from what

Aren't you talking a break?

[Frozen Angel]

I want to!

[Yume]

What fact? The fact is that you have one game as evidence of me being unreasonable, while I have multiple games as evidence of being reasonable.

[Accountant]

Yes. That doesn't, however, excuse them from calling me 'trash' via PM.

maybe that's the case, but what you have said shows an attitude that people find objectionable, because you are willing to ruin games if you are unhappy with someone. when someone detects this mindset in you, they will definitely ban you from their games to avoid their game being ruined.

[Accountant]

What fact? The fact is that you have one game as evidence of me being unreasonable, while I have multiple games as evidence of being reasonable.

i think that when you are threatening to break site rules it goes a bit beyond being reasonable

[Yume]

Then why don't they try to help me changed instead of just prattling about how bad I am? That's the difference between you and them. You offered to play with me to help me out. They didn't.

[Accountant]

also like wtf you're expected to be reasonable every game

someone who cheats 1/10 times whenever you play monopoly, and they tell you "i have one game as evidence of me being a cheater, but nine games as evidence of me being not a cheater" - if they were to say that makes them not a cheater, that's just ridiculous. you would definitely ban them from all monopoly games, because there's no way you would play with someone who would cheat in the first place, even if it is just one in ten games.

[Accountant]

Then why don't they try to help me changed instead of just prattling about how bad I am? That's the difference between you and them. You offered to play with me to help me out. They didn't.

Well, there will be people who will try to help you out. But you can't point at people who refuse to help and say "you are just as bad". A game takes months to accomplish, and not everyone is patient enough to go through months of gameplay with a player who ruins games just to maybe help them out in the future. you should take responsibility for your own improvement instead of shoving the burden onto others.

[Frozen Angel]

she means she is trying as hard as she can to be reasonable in all her games.

thats her approach for proving she is getting better. lol

[Yume]

What fact? The fact is that you have one game as evidence of me being unreasonable, while I have multiple games as evidence of being reasonable.

i think that when you are threatening to break site rules it goes a bit beyond being reasonable

I was put in that spot because a certain someone declined all my attempts to solve the situation otherwise.

[Accountant]

she means she is trying as hard as she can to be reasonable in all her games.

thats her approach for proving she is getting better. lol

well, not everyone will take her word for it.

[Accountant]

What fact? The fact is that you have one game as evidence of me being unreasonable, while I have multiple games as evidence of being reasonable.

i think that when you are threatening to break site rules it goes a bit beyond being reasonable

I was put in that spot because a certain someone declined all my attempts to solve the situation otherwise.

how exactly did you think that threatening to break site rules would solve the situation?

no, before that, how did house even break all your options to the point where "threatening to break site rules" was the only path forward?

[Frozen Angel]

she means she is trying as hard as she can to be reasonable in all her games.

thats her approach for proving she is getting better. lol

well, not everyone will take her word for it.

and that's totally ok!

but they can't just come out and claim "she can't change" !

[Yume]

also like wtf you're expected to be reasonable every game

someone who cheats 1/10 times whenever you play monopoly, and they tell you "i have one game as evidence of me being a cheater, but nine games as evidence of me being not a cheater" - if they were to say that makes them not a cheater, that's just ridiculous. you would definitely ban them from all monopoly games, because there's no way you would play with someone who would cheat in the first place, even if it is just one in ten games.

You're wrong. If they didn't cheat in nine games since, that means they're trying not to cheat, therefore, they've changed. As such, they should be given a benefit of a doubt.

[Frozen Angel]

@acc you don't even know what the message was

It was reported to a listmod so back of very kindly. you have no place to talk about that

[House]

What fact? The fact is that you have one game as evidence of me being unreasonable, while I have multiple games as evidence of being reasonable.

i think that when you are threatening to break site rules it goes a bit beyond being reasonable

I was put in that spot because a certain someone declined all my attempts to solve the situation otherwise.

Me putting pressure on you to build an honorable reputation in the newbie queue to show improvement DOES NOT JUSTIFY THREATS OF BREAKING SITE RULES

[Wisdom]

but they can't just come out and claim "she can't change" !

I'm just saying what I'm seeing
Her attitude is the exact same as it was in the beginning
I see no change nor any attempts to change
so yeah

[Frozen Angel]

but they can't just come out and claim "she can't change" !

I'm just saying what I'm seeing
Her attitude is the exact same as it was in the beginning
I see no change nor any attempts to change
so yeah

thats ok that you see it this way

so what?

[Yume]

What fact? The fact is that you have one game as evidence of me being unreasonable, while I have multiple games as evidence of being reasonable.

i think that when you are threatening to break site rules it goes a bit beyond being reasonable

I was put in that spot because a certain someone declined all my attempts to solve the situation otherwise.

how exactly did you think that threatening to break site rules would solve the situation?

no, before that, how did house even break all your options to the point where "threatening to break site rules" was the only path forward?

Well, I told him I had evidence of me not ruining games. He insisted I still do. I tried to explain myself, but he still insisted and insisted and insisted. That's how.

p-edit: So tell me, Wisdom, does you not seeing it mean it isn't there? >.>

[Accountant]

@acc you don't even know what the message was

It was reported to a listmod so back of very kindly. you have no place to talk about that

It doesn't matter what the exact wordnig of the message was. there's no possible situation where yume would threaten to break site rules without also endorsing a certain mentality that not everyone appreciates in a mafia game

[House]

but they can't just come out and claim "she can't change" !

I'm just saying what I'm seeing
Her attitude is the exact same as it was in the beginning
I see no change nor any attempts to change
so yeah

thats ok that you see it this way

so what?

That's OK that he shares his observation.

So what?

[House]

@acc you don't even know what the message was

It was reported to a listmod so back of very kindly. you have no place to talk about that

It doesn't matter what the exact wordnig of the message was. there's no possible situation where yume would threaten to break site rules without also endorsing a certain mentality that not everyone appreciates in a mafia game

She initiated the conversation with that threat.

[Accountant]

What fact? The fact is that you have one game as evidence of me being unreasonable, while I have multiple games as evidence of being reasonable.

i think that when you are threatening to break site rules it goes a bit beyond being reasonable

I was put in that spot because a certain someone declined all my attempts to solve the situation otherwise.

how exactly did you think that threatening to break site rules would solve the situation?

no, before that, how did house even break all your options to the point where "threatening to break site rules" was the only path forward?

Well, I told him I had evidence of me not ruining games. He insisted I still do. I tried to explain myself, but he still insisted and insisted and insisted. That's how.

p-edit: So tell me, Wisdom, does you not seeing it mean it isn't there? >.>

I do not understand. He refused to listen to your evidence of you not ruining games, and you therefore decided that to convince him you would not ruin games, you would threaten to break site rules?

[Wisdom]

p-edit: So tell me, Wisdom, does you not seeing it mean it isn't there? >.>

pretty sure it's not just me though; nobody other than your stubborn friend is defending you

[Frozen Angel]

@acc you don't even know what the message was

It was reported to a listmod so back of very kindly. you have no place to talk about that

It doesn't matter what the exact wordnig of the message was. there's no possible situation where yume would threaten to break site rules without also endorsing a certain mentality that not everyone appreciates in a mafia game

I have reasons to believe that was an empty threat trying to end the conversation and house harrasment. and who are you to talk about it anyway?

we have listmods and what they say goes!