STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[Creature]

I'll see what others think.

[Creature]

Though, it's weird you haven't roleblocked me, my rolecard doesn't say I am ascetic or roleblock-immune.

[McMenno]

@TWIE:

So, have you decided on someone in particular to vig if you're still alive tonight?

nope because i cant.

snarky is roleblocking me.

@snarky?

[Creature]

Homestuck:

TWIE: I am vigilante, I shot two obvtown
Town: Lynch within {reasonable scumpool}
TWIE shoots another obvtown
TWIE: Oh he was scummy and I couldn't shoot inside scumpool because scum might bus drive.

[Creature]

*Vig within

[SnarkySnowman]

@McMenno

Waiting on TWIE [before i comment].

[Shadow_step]

@Mastin why did you target TWIE over Kraska and Snarky who you were more strongly scum reading?

[Shadow_step]

Just sayin, by the way.

Shadow_step's posting today is in a VASTLY different tone from his posting yesterday.

And his pushes are godawful today.

Uhh no.
You are scum reading Snarky and calling my push awful? dafuq what

I don't care what you think, read it like you want. I'm more motivated when I'm more confident about my scum reads, otherwise not so much.

What would you do in TFL's position?
Save a scum slot or at worst a useless town slot and take us to -4 or lynch him and cause less damage?

[McMenno]

what's the scum motivation of revealing he did it

[TheWayItEnds]

Waiting on TWIE. Creature knows my entire role, for the record. Based on the alliance thread + today's posts I have a strong feeling TWIE is not town.

waiting on TWIE for what?

the alliance thread that im ignoring of literally two posts where your first sentence is "i think you're town" because inviting someone you're townreading to an alliance so you can roleblock them makes sense.

[TheWayItEnds]

Homestuck:

TWIE: I am vigilante, I shot two obvtown
Town: Lynch within {reasonable scumpool}
TWIE shoots another obvtown
TWIE: Oh he was scummy and I couldn't shoot inside scumpool because scum might bus drive.

oh good. you're still completely fucking stupid.

TWIE: i shot a hard lurker and a negative utility town.
town: shoot at {two obvtown and lurker and 1 scummish person}
TWIE: shoots another lurker
town: hurr durr durr hurr why didnt you shoot our shit scum pool
TWIE: because i told you i wouldnt
town hurr durr why didnt you at least shoot mirhawk if you were scum reading him
TWIE: cause that seemed like an obvious busdrive.
town: no it doesnt, we're retarded

scum team: (bussed mirhawk that night)

[Reasonably Rational]

Magna where the fuck are you?

We need to know if you know what effect NCs flip will have on the stress, and if you can guarantee that flip will come at the end of this day phase, so if it increases stress well know we don't need to mess around with using kraskas thing (unless we have some reason to want stress up significant higher?)

-Cerb

[MagnaofIllusion]

Sorta back from V/LA – going to be a busy day today and tomorrow …

Not sure what to make of 8657 given that it was entirely Pro-Scum to not claim that ability before using it and the excuse of “not sure what it did” makes little sense to me.

And we know for certain someone was covering for Skybird on Mastin in the Beachapalooza ...

And as I said to Almost in our alliance chat – since DGB’s flip means that Farside is much less likely to be scum and just Town foolishly playing to an alternate 3rd party wincon I’m putting her on ignore the rest of the game.

I’m also taking the action list (and the three players TWIE says he made honest) with a grain of salt until the point that TWIE is confirmed Town by the Mod.

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@MoI, is your gem chat anonymous?

Nope. The gem chat is via MS username.

Clod event owner should claim.

I don’t think that’s necessarily wise at this juncture given the outcome.

Jasper gets a pearl account. Pearl claimer needs to be pressured. Giving a pearl account with a pearl alive doesn't make sense.

Almost has stated why this is outguessing the Mod and I agree with his conclusion.

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I didn't get an alliance.

Magna and almost what happened?

Almost’s last second “You choose the third” post messed things up. Not happy but it is what it is at this point.

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and I would love to know not chara's role

Why?

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@gems(MoI, specifically, since you've been directly outed): Do you know the alignment of the flips you're delaying?

No. NotChara hasn’t been flipped yet due to the fact that NC was overwhelmingly likely to be Town due to the Beach Party Maths and other factors. I haven’t gotten a chance to do some investigation and probably will not be able to do much til Wednesday. Just an FYI.

[Randomnamechange]

I honestly cannot tell whether twie is scum or being twie

[Creature]

Btw, don't hammer yet.

[Xkfyu]

Who wants to ally with me?

[Xkfyu]

Also, yes, I think Kraska should increase the stress level.

[Reasonably Rational]

MoI can you make sure that NC is flipped before we hammwe? Then we can know whether or not kraska needs to use his ability.

-Cerb

[MagnaofIllusion]

MoI can you make sure that NC is flipped before we hammwe? Then we can know whether or not kraska needs to use his ability.

-Cerb

Personally I'm not flipping an almost certain Town player when other things are possibly in play.

Have kraska use his ability if you are that concerned about the current status.

[Reasonably Rational]

MoI can you make sure that NC is flipped before we hammwe? Then we can know whether or not kraska needs to use his ability.

-Cerb

Personally I'm not flipping an almost certain Town player when other things are possibly in play.

Have kraska use his ability if you are that concerned about the current status.

Why do you want us to use an ability when the same effect can be achieved by simple cooperation?

Unless you think kraska is scum, it does not make sense to force him to use this power.
-Cerb

[Almost50]

OK.. someone please double check. Maybe I missed something, but I think kraska slipped with this coming out of nowhere:

Hey guys varsoon said only during exposition

To my knowledge, kraska has never been allied Snarky, so how she knows what Varsoon said is not clear to me. She's either scum with Snarky, Scum with Creature or Scum with TWIE (could also be scum with BOTH the Creature & TWIE).

I unvoted TWIE earlier bc if Snarky was blocking him ALL EPISODE it also meant Snarky was blocking Creature all of E2, thus Creature could not have killed NC. Furthermore, for Snarky to have that effect and TWIE still sllying with him meant he could not be scum with Creature (bc he didn't know he would be blocked). The part about "only exposition" though changes everything back, but the one thing more obvious now would be krasks saying something about someone else's role with whom she was never allied.

Please double check and let kraska explain.

[Titus]

@Almost, We asked him to check at night. I have an exposition only ability as well. Mine is on my pm though.

@RR, If Twie is scum, lynching him has the status at negative 4. You townreading TWIE?

[Almost50]

@Titus:

Asked whom? kraska? TWIE? Varsoon?? I don't think you were referring to kraska with a "him", and my point is regarding her saying that before even TWIE or Creature answered. That didn't look like a question to me either. kraska was "stating" that the block only worked on day abilities. How did she know that?

[Titus]

@Almost, I asked Kraska. I did because I have an exposition only ability. Kraska was referring to his own stress ability when he said exposition only.

[Reasonably Rational]

@Almost, We asked him to check at night. I have an exposition only ability as well. Mine is on my pm though.

@RR, If Twie is scum, lynching him has the status at negative 4. You townreading TWIE?

There's a delay on flips Titus. TWIES alignment does not matter when it comes to making sure stress is not at -4 as we go into the night. All that matters is what effect NCs flip has on stress, and whether or not kraska uses his power.

-Cerb