STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[Shadow_step]

It specifically says non-factional in there. Like A50 said, all it does is confirm that if you're scum, you're just a goon.

And if you're town, you terribly misplayed this.

wait wut

Wait, that's it?

That isn't nearly as confirmed as you told me you would be. In fact, that isn't confirmed at all.

I told you I got the crappiest role lol

I thought this clears me because I'm obviously not responsible for the scum events like Message recieved?

Why weren't you trying to appear as a strong or of some sort? Or pushing people hard andbeing super active? The only value a VT has is in their scumhunting, and getting killed instead of an actual PR.

-Cerb

Nobody listens to me *shrug*

[Reasonably Rational]

Ok I'm going to put an end to this.

Not Chara passively protected Grapes while they were allied. Not Chara also didn't claim to Grapes while they were allied. Therefore, Grapes didn't know he was being protected.

Knowing this, Skybird more than likely really did try to kill Grapes. Therefore, TWIE wouldn't have revealed Skybird's attempt to kill Grapes, giving town yet another confirmed town, if they were scum together.

That...makes a lot of sense.

-Cerb

[McMenno]

that makes xk confirmed then

[Shadow_step]

Knowing this, Skybird more than likely really did try to kill Grapes. Therefore, TWIE wouldn't have revealed Skybird's attempt to kill Grapes, giving town yet another confirmed town, if they were scum together.

That makes sense

that makes xk confirmed then

Xk was conf town after skybird flip anyway.

[McMenno]

conf gem actually

[Xkfyu]

Wait, that's it?

That isn't nearly as confirmed as you told me you would be. In fact, that isn't confirmed at all.

I told you I got the crappiest role lol

I thought this clears me because I'm obviously not responsible for the scum events like Message recieved?

Lol no.

It specifically says non-factional in there. Like A50 said, all it does is confirm that if you're scum, you're just a goon.

And if you're town, you terribly misplayed this.

Why weren't you trying to appear as a strong or of some sort? Or pushing people hard andbeing super active? The only value a VT has is in their scumhunting, and getting killed instead of an actual PR.

-Cerb

I'll take the blame for that actually. Shadow was actually hesitant to claim in our alliance PT.

I thought he was going to be confirmed town (or really close to it) once he claimed. And since it was a Season finale only event, and a few people were already expressing interest in lynching him, I pushed him to claim.

[Titus]

conf gem actually

I would bet my bottom dollar X is town.

[McMenno]

is he not a gem

[Titus]

Ok I'm going to put an end to this.

Not Chara passively protected Grapes while they were allied. Not Chara also didn't claim to Grapes while they were allied. Therefore, Grapes didn't know he was being protected.

Knowing this, Skybird more than likely really did try to kill Grapes. Therefore, TWIE wouldn't have revealed Skybird's attempt to kill Grapes, giving town yet another confirmed town, if they were scum together.

That...makes a lot of sense.

-Cerb

So, scum know NC's role? Then why did she lie to us. Not even a reflexively targeting Grapes? Read quality plummets when people lie.

[Titus]

is he not a gem

The gems are probably town with how this is shaking out and the clarification I got on Jasper's pm, but even if x is not a gem, he's conftown.

[Titus]

I don't know what vote counts you're seeing but each and every scum lynch has been hard faught for with scum standing in the way.

Do tell.

Because VCA preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetty much shows otherwise.

It's DWTS right now (you actually made me miss the opener, not to mention, my dinner), so no proof. I didn't get Skybird's iso finished, yet alone Varsoon's. But when you've shut up, I've responded to everything, and DWTS is over, I'll show it.

Great, then we'll color the vote counts and show it.

But for now, pretty sure given no one healed grapes and grapes wasn't BP, that should be all the evidence there.

I am watching the voice and eating dinner now.

How do we know either of those things, that nobody healed grapes and he isn't BP? You said yourself we have like "7" protectives.

-Cerb

The number 7 came from my gut. No foundation.

Yet, I supposed that NC did not lie in her statement. Sue me that I suppose town are honest.

[Reasonably Rational]

Ok I'm going to put an end to this.

Not Chara passively protected Grapes while they were allied. Not Chara also didn't claim to Grapes while they were allied. Therefore, Grapes didn't know he was being protected.

Knowing this, Skybird more than likely really did try to kill Grapes. Therefore, TWIE wouldn't have revealed Skybird's attempt to kill Grapes, giving town yet another confirmed town, if they were scum together.

That...makes a lot of sense.

-Cerb

So, scum know NC's role? Then why did she lie to us. Not even a reflexively targeting Grapes? Read quality plummets when people lie.

Why would scum know NC'S role?

It seems pretty obvious that the gems are able to chat with people before they die (as evidenced by MoI mentioning that NCs scumread on me has increased), so it seems this information was likely claimed by NC posthumously, in whatever chat the gems have access to. If we're certain there is a scum slot among the gems, then scum learned this whenever NC told the rest of the gems, but there's no reason to think they knew about it any earlier.

-Cerb

Pedit: oh, you mean n1 action. They said it was passive Titus. There wouldn't be anything to claim?

[Titus]

Can someone give me a reason to scumread Snarky that doesn't center on listening to TWIE scum with a guilty on him?

McMenno, Math and I argued about how to treat GS results. They are to be treated as guilties unless there's a strong reason not to. One hasn't been provided. Even if Grapes is the scumkill, TWIE did not tell us anything we didn't already know.

[Reasonably Rational]

Umm.

Nothing TWIE has said has anything to do with scumreading snarky?

-Cerb

[Titus]

Ok I'm going to put an end to this.

Not Chara passively protected Grapes while they were allied. Not Chara also didn't claim to Grapes while they were allied. Therefore, Grapes didn't know he was being protected.

Knowing this, Skybird more than likely really did try to kill Grapes. Therefore, TWIE wouldn't have revealed Skybird's attempt to kill Grapes, giving town yet another confirmed town, if they were scum together.

That...makes a lot of sense.

-Cerb

So, scum know NC's role? Then why did she lie to us. Not even a reflexively targeting Grapes? Read quality plummets when people lie.

Why would scum know NC'S role?

It seems pretty obvious that the gems are able to chat with people before they die (as evidenced by MoI mentioning that NCs scumread on me has increased), so it seems this information was likely claimed by NC posthumously, in whatever chat the gems have access to. If we're certain there is a scum slot among the gems, then scum learned this whenever NC told the rest of the gems, but there's no reason to think they knew about it any earlier.

-Cerb

Pedit: oh, you mean n1 action. They said it was passive Titus. There wouldn't be anything to claim?

It was an action. Period. Passives are things that don't effect other players, like my BP.. It should have been submitted, especially in the light of the NK. We know NC isn't scum but this shit pisses me off.

You think scum don't have a rolecop given all this power?

[Titus]

Umm.

Nothing TWIE has said has anything to do with scumreading snarky?

-Cerb

TWIE preemptively claimed Snarky blocked him to explain why his vig will not work.

[Reasonably Rational]

Ok I'm going to put an end to this.

Not Chara passively protected Grapes while they were allied. Not Chara also didn't claim to Grapes while they were allied. Therefore, Grapes didn't know he was being protected.

Knowing this, Skybird more than likely really did try to kill Grapes. Therefore, TWIE wouldn't have revealed Skybird's attempt to kill Grapes, giving town yet another confirmed town, if they were scum together.

That...makes a lot of sense.

-Cerb

So, scum know NC's role? Then why did she lie to us. Not even a reflexively targeting Grapes? Read quality plummets when people lie.

Why would scum know NC'S role?

It seems pretty obvious that the gems are able to chat with people before they die (as evidenced by MoI mentioning that NCs scumread on me has increased), so it seems this information was likely claimed by NC posthumously, in whatever chat the gems have access to. If we're certain there is a scum slot among the gems, then scum learned this whenever NC told the rest of the gems, but there's no reason to think they knew about it any earlier.

-Cerb

Pedit: oh, you mean n1 action. They said it was passive Titus. There wouldn't be anything to claim?

It was an action. Period. Passives are things that don't effect other players, like my BP.. It should have been submitted, especially in the light of the NK. We know NC isn't scum but this shit pisses me off.

You think scum don't have a rolecop given all this power?

DGB was a rolecop wasn't she? Traitor rolecop=less likely the rest of the team has a rolecop?

Umm.

Nothing TWIE has said has anything to do with scumreading snarky?

-Cerb

TWIE preemptively claimed Snarky blocked him to explain why his vig will not work.

Are you saying TWIE is lying about being blocked?

-Cerb

[Titus]

Ascetic doubled, DGB was probably more of a scum backup type but that is speculating.

Of course TWIE would. Even if he didn't, it's a convienently excuse he did not out until AFTER we talked about leaching him.

[Reasonably Rational]

Ascetic doubled, DGB was probably more of a scum backup type but that is speculating.

Of course TWIE would. Even if he didn't, it's a convienently excuse he did not out until AFTER we talked about leaching him.

Why would he lie about being blocked+claim a vig, when he could have instead claimed any number of killing abilities thst don't rely upon another slot blocking him? If he had been the one to suggest removing snarky to allow him to prove his claim I'd be inclined to agree with you, but he didn't. That was wholly conftowns idea.

-Cerb

[Titus]

Ascetic doubled, DGB was probably more of a scum backup type but that is speculating.

Of course TWIE would. Even if he didn't, it's a convienently excuse he did not out until AFTER we talked about leaching him.

Why would he lie about being blocked+claim a vig, when he could have instead claimed any number of killing abilities thst don't rely upon another slot blocking him? If he had been the one to suggest removing snarky to allow him to prove his claim I'd be inclined to agree with you, but he didn't. That was wholly conftowns idea.

-Cerb

Yeah, the same conftown that comes up with excuses not to lynch her guilty.

Lie and claim blocked explains no second kill so TWIE can pretend to be a "season finale" vig as scum.

TWIE's result did not tell us anything we didn't know. Namely, grapes is town.

There's no reason to keep TWIE alive.

The worst case scenario, we clear Farside.

There's no clear from lynching Snarky. We just wreck my plan.

[farside22]

5x Vote: snarky

[Xkfyu]

TWIE's result did not tell us anything we didn't know. Namely, grapes is town.

And you believe that scum TWIE revealed that to us intentionally? Because what, he didn't think there were enough confirmed town running around in this game already?

[Reasonably Rational]

Ascetic doubled, DGB was probably more of a scum backup type but that is speculating.

Of course TWIE would. Even if he didn't, it's a convienently excuse he did not out until AFTER we talked about leaching him.

Why would he lie about being blocked+claim a vig, when he could have instead claimed any number of killing abilities thst don't rely upon another slot blocking him? If he had been the one to suggest removing snarky to allow him to prove his claim I'd be inclined to agree with you, but he didn't. That was wholly conftowns idea.

-Cerb

Yeah, the same conftown that comes up with excuses not to lynch her guilty.

Lie and claim blocked explains no second kill so TWIE can pretend to be a "season finale" vig as scum.

TWIE's result did not tell us anything we didn't know. Namely, grapes is town.

There's no reason to keep TWIE alive.

The worst case scenario, we clear Farside.

There's no clear from lynching Snarky. We just wreck my plan.

Nobody KNEW grapes was town. There is a huge gulf between probtown by play and conftown cuz scum shot at them.

Snarky and twie lynches, if they flip town, both clear another slot (fuzzy in snarkys case, farside in TWIE's case), and implicate another slot if they flip scum...except TWIE's clear if town is actually weaker than snarkys clear on fuzzy. That, plus the recent information about twie makes it seem a lot more valuable to lynch snarky over TWIE.

-Cerb

Pedit. Well. If that was real. Umm.

Random, ally tonight?

[Xkfyu]

5x Vote: snarky

Oh shit. As in, you just voted for Snarky five times?

[Xkfyu]

If so, is that five votes including your original vote on him, or 5 additional votes?