Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[McMenno]

okay so...

what was titus' read on me during dragon age

she was like pushing me a lot and then in her last will said "yeah they're town"

I'm trying to grasp that

[McMenno]

while I'm at it

VOTE: narna

[zakk]

I'm glad we've gone back to this instead of trying to deduce who might be scum.

Based on blade Hunter's posting, I have no reason to believe she was scum. I figured it was Titus or a Titus hydra, but who cares. Based on Titus posting, I liked her posting as Blade Dancer more. Can't say why, except that Blade's posts seem to progress the game more. But, either way, I have no reason to believe Titus is scum.

that's because you're scum with her like in Street Fighter mafia

Was that the one where I was mafia and she was mafia?

Oh yeah, I remember that!! Good time, good times.



Anyways, since you'll never convince me that I'm scum, you can try to convince me she is.
I would use some sort of evidence based logic to do so, since that sways me more than anything else.

Ugh

I like this post

You can be town for now

[zakk]

I'm having trouble reading him since he's mainly coming across as a rabble-rouser to me.

Yeah you basically hit the nail on the head

[zakk]

I'm having trouble reading him since he's mainly coming across as a rabble-rouser to me.

There are good reasons not to vote.
Mine is role-related, and the crumbed roles of others related to procuring hammers are as well.
Don't be dense.

It's not because he is dense it is because he is scum Andy.

Don't mistake the two in zakk.

That would be a dangerous mistake

But it's more like I just haven't been paying attention to claims

[zakk]

i'm back. catching up on my missed pages in a bit. for now: who's going along with the flow, exactly?
Maxous, i'd like you to go more in depth about that.
zakk: when did you go from townreading me to having me in your lynch pool? do you think i'm bussing Titus?

i'm reflexively suspicious of all players who want to hammer for their role, or have other hammer-related abilities. if anyone wants a flavour + setup speculative explanation for that, i'm happy to oblige.

I don't really have any strong scum reads anymore

I'm just doing whatever

[zakk]

I don’t think that’s the real deadline. I think someone did that, or Skullduggery is just screwing with us. Deadlines are here for a reason and pretending we don’t have one or HIDING THE DEADLINE FROM US is bad for the town since we’ll just come to a deadline lynch and I am NOT willing to settle for one of those.

Someone posited that the deadline was expanded by scum, specifically to derail the L-3 zakk wagon.

Thoughts on that?

That'd be silly. I'm sure they would love to mislynch me. Like, LOVE love.

And less they had a very real fear of The Surprise (whether that was a bluff or not heh) then why would they derail my wagon?

[zakk]

Why would you ask someone you supposedly think is scum to explain to you why they think you are scum?

VOTE: Firebringer

I was asking her why she thinks mcmenno is scum. So you failed to pick up some context.
and I would ask with the thoughts being maybe i am wrong about her and try to see her POV.

Ok

VOTE: Titus it is then

what's wrong with asking your scumread for details about their bad reads?
i feel like this shouldn't have prompted an immediate jump from the Titus wagon.
the jump back on makes sense because the vote change was based on a misunderstanding, but the vote change at all is what i'm questioning.

Gamma: i just said not to underline your crumb. why would you even bring this up? did you want me to be suspicious of you instead of townread you or something?

Reaction test plus it's therapeutic to vote firebringer

[zakk]

i'm back. catching up on my missed pages in a bit. for now: who's going along with the flow, exactly?
Maxous, i'd like you to go more in depth about that.
zakk: when did you go from townreading me to having me in your lynch pool? do you think i'm bussing Titus?

i'm reflexively suspicious of all players who want to hammer for their role, or have other hammer-related abilities. if anyone wants a flavour + setup speculative explanation for that, i'm happy to oblige.

Not Chara and the flavor again.
We don't need more flavor speculation.
I want reads and contributions from you and all players not flavor speculation.

I'm going to cut you off here so I don't have to come back in a few hours and say that you're faking content by posting paragraphs of flavor speculation instead of talking about reads FIVE DAYS BEFORE DEADLINE.

christ. i'm excited about the flavour. my username and avatar are from the flavour. i like to be called 'Chara', a bloody Undertale character. i'm

excited

. go suck the fun out of a different bastard game, why don't you.
ask me for reads instead of shutting down a discussion that had not even begun. i was going to elaborate only if someone asked why. and yes, it has to do with my reads.

you're also making a lot of assumptions about what kind of content i plan on producing, considering you've never played with me before.

this game is bastard, so it's possible the deadline is still in five days. do i think that? no. that doesn't mean i'm not trying to get a lynch sooner rather than later.

VOTE: Not Chara

I HATE this response.

Also, it is VERY close to one of my top scumtells

[SnarkySnowman]

Don't like leon at all.

[zakk]

Actually, if the deadline really is extended, it feels pro-town because it gives extra discussion time (not that any extra discussion is needed). That may actually mean scum has day chat, because a prolonged day phase without day talk would be hell for scum.

Gamma is 100% town

[zakk]

Don't like leon at all.

Everybody keeps saying this. I had a town read on him though

My number of town reads is too high though.... so maybe some scum really are lurking

[zakk]

the problem with Titus being scum is that i have no concrete evidence posts. i can't quote contradictions, or posts where she's manipulating people.
it's simple a terribly bad feeling that has been compounded by her odd behaviour. Titus has quite a presence in games i've read in the past, no i will not be providing examples but all games are completed, and those who are familiar with her really should know what i mean. i don't see that here. she's tunneling, because she's a tunneler and she knows it, but there's no wider sense. there isn't any wildly connecting McMenno through associatives to find his scumteam, from her point of view.
she isn't engaging with me no matter how many potshots i throw her way.
hm. actually, looking at her reads progression might help communicate this.
Titus is

stubborn

. Titus is not being stubborn.

So why aren't you pushing her wagon

[zakk]

My shifting Titus read is kind of the same thing I'm on mcmenno for. They both have pretty much tunneled weak early reads for 100 pages. The bus thing stems from me feeling like this (mcmenno) lynch will not go through with Nahdia and I, and an assumption that Titus would also recognize this.

Can you please make a list of all the players in the game and a list of who each of them has voted so far?

It would be greatly appreciated, and not just by me.

[Titus]

okay so...

what was titus' read on me during dragon age

she was like pushing me a lot and then in her last will said "yeah they're town"

I'm trying to grasp that

After Day 1, my reads went bad due to a ridiculously improbable event (scum acting and then submitting a no kill). Even then, it caused me only 1 fake clear.

[zakk]

Since he hopped on the McMenno wagon.

VOTE: Leonshade

Anyone? Please?

you were on McMenno too.
why is Leonshade scum for it?

He's not scum for it. He's scum, and I don't want to be on the same wagon as him.

..do you always have an allergic reaction to being on the same wagon as a scum-read or something?

you've never seen scum bus before?

like, i think Leon is town anyway - scum would never sheep me if nothing else - but this is just silly

Nailed it

[Titus]

Titus why do you think NC is scum? Let me just go to the point.
That was a pretty bad sequence of posts from Menno.

Andrius says it better than me but she's basically pushing only where it is popular and has no depth to reads. She's also pushing me based on garbage.

[Not Chara]

there's nothing to respond to until zakk has caught up.
meanwhile, everyone should look at this.

Sorry, I don't like explaining every single thing I do.

so, you can't explain your turnaround read on Cakez? or why you brought this up conspicuously right after my 2651?
also: my 2659, 2669, and 2672.

i think Creature saw my spoiler for Cakez, thought i was advocating for a Cakez wagon because he didn't read it, and pretended to say 'oh, yes, i could also lynch Cakez'. this is despite an earlier townread on Cakez and nothing i could find to indicate Creature has changed his mind.
i was looking for him to point to a reason that he would want to wagon Creature. all i can see is my post.
you should explain, Creature. that you avoiding doing so is tantamount to telling me i'm right.
VOTE: Creature

i want everyone's opinion on this.

[zakk]

ewwwww

FoS: Leonshade wagon

Omg same

[Not Chara]

Titus why do you think NC is scum? Let me just go to the point.
That was a pretty bad sequence of posts from Menno.

Andrius says it better than me but she's basically pushing only where it is popular and has no depth to reads. She's also pushing me based on garbage.

i'm still waiting for who i am pushing who's popular and who i'm following. you haven't said so.

[zakk]

ewwwww

FoS: Leonshade wagon

why is Leonshade town, and what's invalid about the point Nahdia brought up?
to round things out nicely: what is the scum motivation in starting

another

wagon when there's support for others? do you think all of those wagons are on scum?
why are you still voting Narna?

I can easily see town coming back from a V/LA to the game thread more than doubling, then deciding that instead of trying to read through the entire thread that they haven't seen yet to try to catch up on the game, they'll instead sheep their strongest town read and try to catch up based on what's going on now instead. Trying to force a case on him not being willing to sheep onto his scumreads over this is scummy as shit, especially since his scumreads didn't exactly look strong beforehand.

PEdit: FFS GUYS

You're quickly moving out of my scum pool.

Same here. Leaving my scum pool almost empty

Well, this is awkward

[Not Chara]

zakk, take a look at 2742 whenever you get there.

[Titus]

Titus why do you think NC is scum? Let me just go to the point.
That was a pretty bad sequence of posts from Menno.

Andrius says it better than me but she's basically pushing only where it is popular and has no depth to reads. She's also pushing me based on garbage.

i'm still waiting for who i am pushing who's popular and who i'm following. you haven't said so.

Well, it was me, and whichever town you could blame.

Do you think I am town or not?

[Gamma Emerald]

RE 2742: yeah that looks bad.
@Titus: who do you think is town that could be blamed on your wagon?

[Titus]

RE 2742: yeah that looks bad.
@Titus: who do you think is town that could be blamed on your wagon?

You, zakk, maybe Fire