Mini Normal 1841 - You're Dead!

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Unfortunately, you died!

Please put anything that can spoil the game in spoilers.

Have fun in the afterlife!

Spoiler: Players with access

Zaphkael
Foxbird
Froot Loop
AlpacaAlpaca
Creature
Transcend
Zachstralkita
Infinity 324
Gamma Emerald
XnadrojX
Dunnstral

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It's kind of funny how deadly accurate some players are, but next to that, how deadly inaccurate they are at the same time.

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You had 1/3 scum pinned

But your lynch was all kinds of bad and way too soon. You've been pushed all the time, that can't be on town alone, and town should have seen that imo.
Sorry you had to die first :/

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Don't read if you don't want to be spoiled

it's not transcend

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If I may be honest, scum did pretty okay-ish. But what I'm looking at now (night actions) may not be that great.

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Not answering that yet, as it ruins all the fun

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So far stuff is looking pretty bad for scum.

I gave them some 1-shot abilities, and it seems as if they are going to WASTE all of them tonight.

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So far stuff is looking REALLY bad for scum
(And maybe a bit bad for town)

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Creature, as things are now, you will remain lonely

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Lol
Although this time, they are playing better than usual.

Do you think dunn and zach are town? Di you think they are pr's?

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Welcome to the dead thread:


Nobody.

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Indeed.


Welcome, Transcend!

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Fair enough

Spoiler: Night 1Events

The Jailkeeper jailed you.
Scum ninja'd your kill, but the tracking/watching role didn't even look there so they wasted it.
The bulletproof claim was true, but he didn't get hit.
There was other cool stuff but that's for later xd

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Read my first post in this thread. That was kind of about you

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Both
You had 1 or 2 scum pinned all the time, but scumread PR's and hard townread at least 1 scum all the time

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Spoiler: lol

Dunn is actually a PR you started to scumread
And if I'm not wrong you scumread gamma as well before... He's actually a PR as well
Zach is town, yes, and a JK.
And infinity was a PR as well, i dunno if you ever scumread him

One of these is scum.

Im gonna spoiler ur zach comment tho


What did you think of the quicklynch?

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It's funny how my friend's game is still in day 1, while she started 2 days earlier.

Just to tell you guys how insane your tempo is

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Hes a town *******

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no worries

BTW whoever is reading this now or in the future:
What did i do well/bad as a mod? What should/could i do better?

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HOLY SHIT THIS GAME

I gave up eventually
Its pagetop spam central...sometimes i lurked 10 mins nonstop, refreshing every few seconds to get that pagetop

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From the scum pt:

Jailkeeper and BP is a dumb setup. Jailkeeper is balanced by either being one shot or by being fucked with on roles.

:'(

Weak neighborizer is much weaker especially in limited PR. Strong forces scum to keep playing overnight or a masonry.
Neighborizer should have been weak for setup balance.

:')

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Correct.
There will also be a guilty on scum making the kill.

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Welcome, zach!

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Yes,but not in the way you think xd

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Scum took ma 2 boiz transcend and zach but at a very high price

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10/10 Transcend

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Spoiler: MASSIVE SPOILERS

now the fun of it is fakeclaiming...there is room for some interesting fakeclaims, and now that gamma outed, they know all the PR's. There are/were 4 town PR's, of zhich Zach was the second most powerful. Gamma is more powerful, but as zach was the only targetable protective role, hes doomed. Even if zach was still alive, protecting gamma would prevent him from getting results.

Thats why I gave town a PR to bind those 2 PR's together, but that PR failed that purpose so far. If you consider who has it, its odd that it did but okay.

There are 3 targetable PR's, so scum received a 1-shot tracker to hunt those down. They wasted it N1 on a VT.
They also had a 1shot PR that messed with gamma's result, exactly to prevent stuff like tonight, and they also wasted that on N1. It made me kind of angry, because now they'll say it's townsided, while in fact it isnt; gamma couldnt get protected, JK creates wifom like the kill on transcend and the BP allows for scum fakeclaims as well as more wifom at night. The PR's are solid, but lonely.

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It's also funny that, in mini 1796, I was jailkeeper and selfvoted
Here, zach was jailkeeper and selfvoted.

ALSO: this was in no way intended to mimic 1796, i just had the idea of gathering the players again since i thought it would be fun.

FUN FACT 2: currently, only 1796 ppl are in this chat.
FUN FACT 3: none of the scum there is scum here (they either werent here or are dead so xd)

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Spoiler:

Tit for tat with Infinity I guess

Spoiler:

counting zach,its a tit for tat infinity vs gamma-zach, the strongest PR's
It's worth it for scum mathematically, but since infinity was the only townread scum...

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Infinity at L-2

Fastest day ever?

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LOL
Convincing counterclaim
I designed this so they can claim vig and get the bp lynched
They can also easily claim a utility joat like rb, rolecop, tracker and then infinity could just have said that he didnt believe the claim or smth

But why something exotic like that lmao

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Tell them you lied, have a good laugh and move on

I aint answeing questions about dat role bruh
Kissing a donkey is a billion times safer

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Nice l o l

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Tbh, i think you did well. Town now lost its PR's, but they have a guilty that they otherwise wouldnt have had on a scum that nobody suspected.

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Btw
Since it seems a stral question...


Who is scum?

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You didn't miss anything thats related to my game
Only whats related to the game those guys are playing

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Please give infinity 324 a warm (scum) welcome!

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But I do think the setup is balanced or even scumsided

I did quite my best to balance this, and if
-the watcher didnt out this soon
-the JK didnt get a 'result' N1
-the BP didn't claim
-if you fakeclaimed joat with rb-vig-rolecop you could have talked your way out of it AND get the BP lynched

It would have been a bit more balanced, yeah

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More love from the scum PT

Don't think this setup is very balanced from what I've seen btw.

Spoiler: SPOILER

I hate not having daychat. I think this setup needs a traitor to be balanced because 1800 had JK weak masonizer and motion detector as PR roles and we had Neo and JK enabler. 1 shot tracker 1 shot ninja does not balance this.

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Game are always looking shit for scum once the first one is lynched and the second is a likely lynch. Eventually that evens out.

I have my night actions in, but to keep things fair for scum, I extended the night by a day. If theyre done discussing, they can PM to finish earlier.

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Please welcome Gamma Emerald to the cool kids club!!!

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now the exciting part is going to start...


what do you guys think? will this end in a scum win or a town win?

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I think mathblade believes their setup spec, but it's just factually incorrect

You don't need a scum power to counter every strong town PR. That makes a setup that's incredibly scumsided.

In this setup, there's a high chance that the neighborizer and BP will literally do nothing

So it would be 2 strong town PRs vs. 2 1-shot scum PRs

Slightly scumsided

This.

Neighborizer and BP even lower the power of respectively watcher and jailkeeper. Yes, there are very strong town PR's, and the currently alive scum may think that it's townsided, while in fact i tried to take so much power away from those PR's that they arent as strong as one might think.

Something_Smart got neighborized last night. That means that half of the alive players is part of that neighborhood, while only 3 town players are not yet informed of it xd

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Oh please, stuff is always more funny and more logical here on the other side

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Lets just say i /in'd in the wrong thread

If you can do better, sure try (it cant get much worse than this anyway)

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Im so lazy wtf

My next game will be procrastination mafia
Then i have a reason to be lazy

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Fun fact: when I made that post I wasn't actually planning to run a game like that.

But no, not yet.

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Please welcome XnadrojX to the other (cooler) side!

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I'm waiting eagerly for someone to say "scum wouldn't defend their buddies so obviously"

This xd

although it's EXACTLY what mathblade and I did in shadowrun


Also, if scum isn't stupid: mylo tomorrow!

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The neighborhood consists of 4 out of 7 players right now.
If the neighborizer was weak, he'd litterally have the whole town - 1 in his hood. That would be overpowered AF lol

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How do you break NL/NK cycles scout?

What do you mean?

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If you mean no lynch and no nightkill scenario; i would call the game after 2-3 days of no deaths and make everyone lose, since it means both factions played against their wincondition.

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I would not call it a draw, though. Mafia definitely played against their wincon if it happens, and arguably town as well.

(On a side note, this bloodthirsty town won't ever have that problem. I think that ALL lynches have been achieved in under a week.)

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Then they attempted to kill. That'a different imo.

It's when nobody attemps to lynch/kill at night that I would call the game. I would also warn the players a day before I would as to give them a final incentive to win.

But why would you ask lol

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We'll see what has to be done when we are there.

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Its funny how i got a message stating that I should NOT accelerate the night.

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Let's all welcome Dunnstral!

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Lmao
You guys were pretty cruel
So much stringed up town...and so fast...

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Thanks for telling me.

Holy shit.

maybe he got into this account and saw stuff and therefore was accurate

Probably not

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If I may be honest
I did not expect that from him xd

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Look at it from the good side of things:

Transcend finally has his -aligned filter now

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Indeed. Town has 2 strong roles that aren't as strong as usual. Neighborizer and bp even have a negative effect on those.

I wanted a scum roleblocker as eell, but I'm glad the reviewers told me not to.

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I built my setup around using a watcher, so meh.

I did learn a lot with this setup though (and you can expect a better setup in my oncoming large normal)

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Well... Don't overdo it with PR's
Don't give scum too much, 10-3 setups all vanilla are scumsided af so you need town PR's to cover that up
And make sure breaking strategies can't work.
Also account for dumb town
Spread power (so a watcher - jailkeeper is not the way to go, generally)

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But unless your sense of balance is more off than my reads, there is nothing your reviewers can't help you with.

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Everyone has xd

Its kinda sad what this game is now compared to the start of it. It seemed so much fun back then

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If it was, it would've been hilarious. Now, scum just have to be a bit careful and they win.

It's weird how town suspected nearly all scum D1 but never ended up actually lynching there.