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Post Post #500 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:09 pm

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@misa: in the future, never ever ever ever ever claim a role early in a day that isn't LYLO just because someone asks you to. If they claim you should claim, force them to justify why it's a good idea. And if their explanation sucks, wagon them.
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Post Post #501 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:10 pm

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@penguin: still waiting on why role fishing here is ok, even though the situations are wildly different, including that here we have a dead PR.
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Post Post #502 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:11 pm

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Strongly Disagree. And if it is terrible and anti-town, you should be asking for the reason it was done without rebuttal as well.

Oh, and only one townie was dead in that game at that point if you want to be accurate (you do want to be accurate and truthful, right?). There was no NK. It was also a scum game for me.

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Post Post #503 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:13 pm

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Misa, if the actual bp, fucked up. This is a fact. But barring a cc it doesn't matter for sorting alignment, just like Aelin fucked up on d1 by claiming, but as non CC'd pr it also didn't matter. So why are you acting like you need to sort misa here?
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Post Post #504 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:16 pm

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The thing is, misa is a newbie and you expect newbies to not understand the setup or think through the consequences of claiming or not claiming. I expect more from players who've been around longer. Carelessly role fishing like you did is horrifically anti town and worth a policy (which we can now afford) unless someone has a strong reason for town reading you.
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Post Post #505 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:17 pm

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It isn't about sorting misa. I'm going to go ahead and say that I'm not responding to you anymore before we have more activity from the others. Thanks.

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That's hilarious. Policy-lynching. We can "now afford." Oh, baby.
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Post Post #506 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:20 pm

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Just catching up.. WHY CLAIM mistange?

And VOTE: penguin power
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Post Post #507 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:21 pm

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Acting as shamelessly anti town as you did is worth a policy, all the more given your shade without voting on creeps d1 and your potentially bussing hop on late d1. If you were an IC I'd be screaming for everyone to power lynch you IMMEDIATELY. As it is I think you're still our best bet, but I think it's worth seeing what everyone has to say.
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Post Post #508 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:21 pm

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Acting as shamelessly anti town as you did is worth a policy, all the more given your shade without voting on creeps d1 and your potentially bussing hop on late d1. If you were an IC I'd be screaming for everyone to power lynch you IMMEDIATELY. As it is I think you're still our best bet, but I think it's worth seeing what everyone has to say.
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Post Post #509 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:21 pm

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In post 506, Hermie wrote:Just catching up.. WHY CLAIM mistange?

And VOTE: penguin power
I think the answer is "because penguin said to".
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Post Post #510 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:22 pm

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Also, @hermie: given that the cat is out of the bag on that, why bother questioning her on why she claimed?
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Post Post #511 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:26 pm

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BP claim early gives conf!town(with added night protection in this game) without mylo/lylo speculation resulting in a loss. Jesus.

If scum wants to kill the conf!town, they have to forgo two VTs/two NKs
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Post Post #512 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:27 pm

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So...now we have two conf!town. One can go down with one NK. The other takes two NKs. That's pretty damn good for town.
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Post Post #513 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:28 pm

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That was a knee jerk reaction... But anyway the bps usefulness to town decreases alot after it is revealed... On the plus side we have her as a conf town... And I think k we would all agree I am confirmed town.. and algebra is confirmed town if aelin did what she said she would do... That narrows us down alot...


Pp why ask for a claim??
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Post Post #514 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:30 pm

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Yea but what if scum unknowingly wasted an nk... Gave town an extra lynch? Even better
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Post Post #515 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:31 pm

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In post 510, mhsmith0 wrote:Also, @hermie: given that the cat is out of the bag on that, why bother questioning her on why she claimed?


Also she should know that wasn't the best choice at the time for the future..
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Post Post #516 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:32 pm

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In post 511, PenguinPower wrote:BP claim early gives conf!town(with added night protection in this game) without mylo/lylo speculation resulting in a loss. Jesus.

If scum wants to kill the conf!town, they have to forgo two VTs/two NKs
DAY THREE is proper claim time. YOU WANT scum to be forced to pr hunt tonight. Jfc.
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Post Post #517 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:33 pm

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In post 515, Hermie wrote:
In post 510, mhsmith0 wrote:Also, @hermie: given that the cat is out of the bag on that, why bother questioning her on why she claimed?


Also she should know that wasn't the best choice at the time for the future..
Sure, but it sounded like you were actually trying to sort her which is bizarre.
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Post Post #518 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:33 pm

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Scum's first reaction tonight would be to kill conf!town algebra. Given the known setup, the closer we get to mylo/lylo without a BP claim the easier it's going to be for scum to claim BP (even with a CC) and get a win.

Sorry, no. Right play. Now we get the BP counter out of the way; get two conf!towns; and, can try to sort scum outside of algebra/MT. If there's a CC, then we lynch between those two and we win.

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Post Post #519 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:36 pm

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1) algebra-conf town
2) Blawb-still mostly inactive... I'd say null
3) Hermie-id call myself conf town.. I would have to be a real idiot to push a scum bud that hard on d 1
4) mhsmith0-likely town
5) MisaTange-un cced bulletproof.. conf town for now
6) PenguinPower-most likely scum imo
7) Thor665-first day play was very townie I thought... I would say he is probably town



This is my readings... I haven't went back to see what creeps said about pp and Thor.. and what they said about him..
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Post Post #520 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:40 pm

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Well personally I think if we lynch out of pp, blawb, and Thor we will get scum... I think pp is the top sus.. hard to call blawb but I still think Thor is town..
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Post Post #521 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:43 pm

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Scum normally would either shoot algebra or hunt for the BP. Depending on how it goes scum might need to try and sell the idea that aelin screwed up her jail. By letting algebra get killed you leave a mechanical hard clear alive for multiple days.
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Post Post #522 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:45 pm

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In a world where PP is town I'm suspicious of Thor due to his push on a town counter wagon to the roleblocker. But that's only if pp is town.
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Post Post #523 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:46 pm

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I know Thor has experience and knows how to play but I feel like his day one play was fairly strongly town...
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Post Post #524 (ISO) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:49 pm

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In post 520, Hermie wrote:Well personally I think if we lynch out of pp, blawb, and Thor we will get scum... I think pp is the top sus.. hard to call blawb but I still think Thor is town..
I agree with the above, besides me being the first lynch. I don't see why scum would bus the RB except if they were early on - not expecting an earlish hammer and without time to get off - or they were me hammering.

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