Creature still needs rope. The number of inconsistencies he’s trying to explain away with “I don’t know, Mod error, I’ll be pissed” is ludicrous.
1. His claimed action doesn’t work no matter what scenario he tries to peddle it under. His claimed result is 2 for 4 with Random which doesn’t fit either 3 for 4 or 1 for 4.
2. No explanation why his ability would work when he was allied with Snarky and Snarky’s Mod confirmed flip shows he should have been role-blocked.
Add in the fact that he tried to float he was Redirected when clearly he was not and then trying to stuff it under “I didn’t understand” with his claimed Cluster ignorance when he isn’t a Newb.
Also add in his “I’m flavor confirmed” crap.
And top it off with “Titus confirming herself as Town could easily be a scum ability” garbage
And this ..
In post 9624, Creature wrote:If the Crystal Gems and Leftovers can win with mafia, we're possibly in LyLo today.
Absolute Appeal to Fear “Oh no, we could be in LYLO today if the Crystal Gems can win with scum”.
Rope it.
@Kraska
– please confirm something for me … your ability to adjust stress is not an Event, correct? If I am correct on that – please confirm whether it was one-shot or not. Thank you.
@Farside
– what happened to me being scum in the Crystal Gems? You were hammering that drum non-stop when I was trying to get you lynched. Now today, when I assess that you don’t make sense as scum or even a leftover who can join scum, you are buddy buddy with me. Are your reads that driven by who agrees with you and who doesn’t?
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In post 9644, mastin2 wrote:Creature is the Keep Beach City Weird player.
Does this change your analysis any?
If you actually read my posts you’d know it is meaningless to me given that Varsoon explicitliy said he prepared all the scum roles first to match their flavor fake-claims and in light of Skybird’s ability that apparently everyone and their brother assumed was Town.
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9638 – since you like to be corrected when you make leaps of logic that don’t stand up I’ll do that for you here.
The whole premise of Farside as Leftover who became scum AFTER the Beach-a-palooza event blows up your “Look at Sir Cakez Day 1 reads” logic. Basically you are saying SirCakez scum, who already had a disconnected Traitor, fully knew the identity of farside as a Leftover who could join with them Day 1 and thus his reads lists were shaped by that knowledge. For that to be true you have to believe.
1. Sir Cakez knew of the existence of a Leftover 3rd party who can join them.
2. Sir Cakez was able to fully ascertain that farside was the specific role BEFORE he started his reads lists.
The Crystal Gems did not know of the existence of a Leftover. I went back and fully read the Gem PT to be certain there was no information about that in the information Varsoon provided. You are making assumptions regarding Sir Cakez’s reads lists that aren’t likely.
So I think you have gotten your read and are now fitting the facts to support it as opposed to the other way around.
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In post 9605, Reasonably Rational wrote:Also, I think you're missing the forest for the trees. We have a finite amount of currencies to win the game with. X mislynches, Y role related powers, Z events, etc... and the question yesterday was what should get used to take stress away from -4. Unfortunately, Farside unilaterally ended the day (and obviously made sure Varsoon was around, because it took literally sometime between 4 minutes and 4 minutes and 59 seconds for the thread to lock) and stress didn't move. Fortunately, that preserved Kraska's ability to adjust stress and canceled out a scum event. At the time; however, we had no way to know, and both Cerb and I felt like it made sense to use the least amount of currency to get away from -4 stress.
Now that might not be the case from your viewpoint, because you are informed completely about how the hidden flips and return to game and such works. We aren't.
See and the bolded is why I’ve been scum-reading you for awhile. You know I have more information than you about the process. Yet every time I tell you that your immediate reaction is “Gems are playing Anti-Town and might be scum” or similar. So I see you as not actually logically thinking things through but trying to establish a narrative that presents things how you want them to be perceived which is scum play. This seems to be a running theme in your posting.
In post 9611, Reasonably Rational wrote:The question I have is this: WHY would scum be given an ability to find out the nature of the gems, as Creature has claimed? He claims you would be notified he found out. –
The only reason the scum would need a reason to find out the nature of the gems is if they are somehow compatible.
So ummm ... if Creature is left alive and does his thing, he can both inform the town that you have told the truth (presuming you have), and you will have hard evidence that he had the ability to learn the nature of your faction. So if you don't believe scum would have that ability, the obvious course is to force him to do it, right?
And this is further “Narrative Spinning”. The bolded specifically is an assumption that you are making that has no grounding in reality. Setting aside the fact that Creature could be lying … you can’t say for certain why he might have that ability.
The “nature” of the gems might be information on how many members are alive, who is the Leader, what Factional Events we can trigger, or any other number of things that would benefit scum to know.
Yet you’ve selected a very narrow reason and are trying to stake it as the “only reason” which is not logical at all.
Frankly this post and
9628 read as attempts to save your partner so they can “prove” an ability that may not exist and even if it does isn’t alignment indicative at all.
In post 9621, Reasonably Rational wrote:MoI: how can you conclude I'm wrong when I did not fully define the set of players I was talking about(which I didn't do for very good reason)?
-Cerb
Look scum playing the gotcha game. Well I’ll indulge because you’ve actively opened the door – in discussing the Beach-a-palooza even there is only 1 group of players who could possibly be a PoE group – those voting outside the “Top 3 Vote Getters”. And here’s what you originally said –
In post 9570, Reasonably Rational wrote:@NC: there are 4 slots among the voters(if we exclude conftown and gems), who have one scum among them, and the rest will be confirmed as town once we find the scum in that group. I'm VERY sure that scum is Farside22, and would much prefer to create 3 more conftown today, than 1)create this same situation tomorrow, if we hit scum outside of the voters, or 2) mislynch+change that pool to a 50/50.
Please elaborate who your claimed 4 slots are and how a hypothetical Farside scum flip confirms 3 other players. I want the “super logical can’t miss” reasoning that you claimed was a hallmark of your slot.
Because given Not Chara was talking about the PoE pool of those not voting the Top 3 your response here is a pretty big dodge attempt if you were not talking about the same group.
"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
Pretty much Geriatric game restricted at this point ... unless there are players I REALLY want to play with.
