Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[SlySly]

Scum was on that wagon. All of them? IDK. Magna is a great player. Scum want him gone worse than McMenno if they can pull it off.

lol this is funny

Funny, or not, it's true. You don't earn the title, "has been killed Night 1" for nothing.

[Leonshade]

I don't think Andrius would claim here if he was scum or SK, but a third party seems likely with the role and flavor.

Honestly, with the Frisk flavor I'm worried that his alignment can change if he kills more people, this being a bastard game and all that seems plausible. I think he's town aligned now, but with the flavor, who knows?

Dumb setup speculation, but then this game has stalled to wagon negotiations so who cares.

[Leonshade]

Magna is good, but he also suggested a 1v1 with another town player. He's not an infallible scumhunter the mafia would be desperate to get rid of ASAP.

[SlySly]

Magna is good, but he also suggested a 1v1 with another town player. He's not an infallible scumhunter the mafia would be desperate to get rid of ASAP.

I'm sure he earned his title from scum wanting to keep him around as long as possible in games.

[Not Chara]

there is more subtlety to mafia than the separation of players into amazing scumhunters and terrible ones that scum want kept alive. your entire view here is incredibly black and white. you're annoyed about Magna so every decision you make now revolves around him, and you've gone blind to the possibility of him acting scummy and prompting town players to misread him.
it makes you town, but it also makes you exhausting to speak to.
Leon is also likely town. i think i forgot to mention that in ny previous post.

[Leonshade]

Magna's top scumread D1 flipped town. It doesn't matter how good Magna is, he was wrong in this game and his reads and play benefited scum.

There was probably scum somewhere on the Magna wagon, but the mislynch was achieved thanks to the town's contribution. Simply scumhunting from the Magna wagon isn't going to get us scum, scum wouldn't have needed to all coalesce onto the Magna wagon to get him killed.

P-edit: NC expressed my point better than I did.

Why am I likely town?

[SlySly]

Black and white is good. Less spam. It makes things easy to see. MoI isn't perfect, but he is good and scum want him gone. Anyone acting like this isn't true is full of it. I've been scum plenty of times and I've been a part of plenty of scum chats where good players were targeted and taken out asap. I'm positive this game is no exception.

[Leonshade]

I don't even know what your point is anymore.

Let's assume that the scum motivation WAS purely to take out Magna, how does this information help us catch scum?

zakk, a flipped townie, was pushing the wagon the hardest. Scum probably jumped onto the wagon at some point, but clearly so did town. Meanwhile scum wouldn't all want to get on a mislynch wagon, and they wouldn't have even needed to. So how does scumhunting solely from the Magna wagon help us?

[Not Chara]

Leon: your posts in general have been better today. probably because you now have time to devote.
what prompted me to say you were town was, i remember, you saying that 'all of your reasons for scumreading Narna have been exposed as crap' and your desire to reevaluate based on that. it's similar to how i feel about Narna. he looks vaguely town, and none of the arguments against him hold up against scrutiny.

[Nahdia]

leon is a lot better today

[Leonshade]

To be fair, my posts getting better with more time for the game would happen as any alignment.

To be honest, I still have like 30-40 pages of the thread unread, and at this point I have no idea who's scum. I don't feel good about McMenno flipping scum, but at this point my gameplan is just joining the wagon I think is least likely to flip town. There's too many players to keep track of right now, thinning the herd and advancing the gamestate is necessary if I want to solve this game.

[Nahdia]

I don't think Andrius would claim here if he was scum or SK, but a third party seems likely with the role and flavor.

Honestly, with the Frisk flavor I'm worried that his alignment can change if he kills more people, this being a bastard game and all that seems plausible. I think he's town aligned now, but with the flavor, who knows?

Dumb setup speculation, but then this game has stalled to wagon negotiations so who cares.

basically exactly my thoughts.

[Ankamius]

it's not just you.

andrius, Sir Cakez and ankamius are at this as well

so..fine. let's just flip Narna.

I'm doing what now?

[SlySly]

I don't even know what your point is anymore.

Let's assume that the scum motivation WAS purely to take out Magna, how does this information help us catch scum?

zakk, a flipped townie, was pushing the wagon the hardest. Scum probably jumped onto the wagon at some point, but clearly so did town. Meanwhile scum wouldn't all want to get on a mislynch wagon, and they wouldn't have even needed to. So how does scumhunting solely from the Magna wagon help us?

There are several elements to MoI's lynch.

1. zakk is an idiot, who plays a cop role that loudly?
2. firebringer seems to me to have basically voted for MoI because firebringer doesn't like MoI. firebringer refused to answer questions about yume, because of prior game history to solidify my belief in that. then once he screwed the town over with it and saw the uphill battle ahead, replace out.
3. strong push near an "assumed" deadline that wasn't proven allowing for the lazy town and scum jump on easily
4. shiro rejoins the game just in time to quick hammer.

As far as I'm concerned, we can start at Shiro and work our way backwards with those who were on the MoI lynch. We'll get scum with the first shot and find more scum, sooner than later without looking anywhere else.

This whole "all the scum aren't on the lynch so we should ignore all those on the MoI lynch" mindset going around is absurd/scummy.

[Skullduggery]

Currently searching for a replacement for Gamma Emerald.

[Skullduggery]

Day 2, Vote Count #6

Current Vote Count:

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SirCakez

(1)

Giovanni il Pellegrino -- Firebringer

(0)

Maxous

(0)

Creature

(0)

PeregrineV

(0)

Titus

(0)

Shiro

(0)

Nosferatu

(0)

Nahdia

(0)

Firebringer

(0)

Not Chara

(0)

Ankamius

(1)

SlySly -- SnarkySnowman

(8)

McMenno -- Narna, Titus, massive, Shiro, Not Chara, Nahdia, PeregrineV, Leonshade

(0)

SnarkySnowman

(6)

Narna -- SirCakez, Creature, Andrius, McMenno, Gamma Emerald, Maxous

(0)

Gamma Emerald

(0)

Leonshade

(0)

Andrius

(0)

massive

Not Voting:

Giovanni il Pellegrino, Nosferatu, Ankamius, SlySly

With 20 votes available, it takes 11 votes to hammer.

Day 2 Will End on Tuesday, November 8th, at 8 p.m. eastern time.
Countdown: (expired on 2016-11-08 20:00:00)

[SlySly]

Shiro, who did you target last night?

[Giovanni il Pellegrino]

I think Andrius claimed to have vigged Narna, and Narna is not dead.

How exactly is this related to whether Narna is or isn't scum? Even more so since this is a bastard game.

Hey, take it where you can get it Nos. It's the only way you're mislynching today. McMenno is scum. Narna isn't. There hasn't been a single reason for Narna scum and a litany for McMenno. The only reason McMenno isn't in a pine box is because Narna and Nahdia have been discredited to the point where no one wants to be on a wagon with them. That's a dumb approach for a multitude of reasons.

So, we've reached the point where people have dug in and ceased to talk to each other or even rationally look at evidence. If you have to flip Narnia on Day 2 and then scum McMenno on Day 3, after I die. Go ahead, but don't act like I didn't call it.

This is suprisingly sensible for this game.

As far as I'm concerned, we can start at Shiro and work our way backwards with those who were on the MoI lynch. We'll get scum with the first shot and find more scum, sooner than later without looking anywhere else.

What if Shiro doesn't flip scum? Where would we go from there?

[SlySly]

What if Shiro doesn't flip scum? Where would we go from there?

Welcome, Giovanni!

Next up would be Leonshade progressing as I suggested, then SirCakez, etc...

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MagnaofIllusion -- zakk, Nahdia, Not Chara, Narna, Firebringer, Maxous, Creature, Gamma Emerald, Nosferatu, SirCakez, Leonshade, Shiro

I don't think we should necessarily lynch in that order, but we could start considering in that order until we can agree on someone to lynch from that wagon. I'm waiting on Shiro to answer the question I just asked her. I'll practice what I preach when she does and I'll present why we should be lynching her instead of what we're after now.

For today, without a guilty, I will not hammer anyone that wasn't on the MoI lynch.

[SlySly]

Hey, take it where you can get it Nos. It's the only way you're mislynching today. McMenno is scum. Narna isn't. There hasn't been a single reason for Narna scum and a litany for McMenno. The only reason McMenno isn't in a pine box is because Narna and Nahdia have been discredited to the point where no one wants to be on a wagon with them. That's a dumb approach for a multitude of reasons.

So, we've reached the point where people have dug in and ceased to talk to each other or even rationally look at evidence. If you have to flip Narnia on Day 2 and then scum McMenno on Day 3, after I die. Go ahead, but don't act like I didn't call it.

This is suprisingly sensible for this game.

What Titus said about Narna is a lie. There have been reasons given. Here's the biggest reason, Narna is scum because Pepto was scum. zakk was killed because he knew it too.

Day 1, Vote Count #12

Current Vote Count:

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zakk

(2)

SirCakez -- PeregrineV, Creature

(0)

House

(0)

Maxous

(2)

Creature -- Nosferatu, Gamma Emerald

(0)

PeregrineV

(0)

Blade Dancer

(0)

Shiro

(0)

MagnaofIllusion

(0)

Nosferatu

(0)

Nahdia

(0)

Accountant

(0)

Not Chara

(2)

Ankamius -- Blade Dancer, House

(2)

SlySly -- Peptobislawl, SnarkySnowman

(0)

McMenno

(0)

SnarkySnowman

(6)

Peptobislawl -- McMenno, Ankamius, Accountant, Maxous, MagnaofIllusion, zakk

(3)

Gamma Emerald -- Not Chara, Leonshade, SirCakez

(0)

Leonshade

(0)

Andrius

(0)

massive

Not Voting:

Shiro, SlySly, Andrius, massive, Nahdia

With 22 votes available, it takes 12 votes to hammer.

Gamma Emerald is V/LA until 10/11.
Shiro is V/LA until 10/15.
Leonshade is V/LA until 10/16.

Day 1 will end...eventually.
Countdown: 362480 days, 11 hours, 28 minutes

[Not Chara]

the problem is this. Narna has played 90% of the game for that slot. the pepto wagon was based on very little, and the so-called scumtell of replacing out, also proved to be wrong.

[SlySly]

Flips and guilties prove, nothing else does.

[Not Chara]

the scumtell based on pepto having a meta of silently replacing out? blatantly false, from pepto's past games. that's 'proved' plenty.

[SlySly]

"Proves" nothing. I ignore the replace outs. They all suck and could be for any reason, real or scummy.

[SlySly]

Next you're gonna try to tell me giga's replace out was proven not scummy. LOL