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[JaeReed]

What? I gave you my answer. Did you not want the read explained? You didn't say I was limited to only the read with no reasoning. -.-

[Transcend]

I just wanted your stance and nothing else lol

[JaeReed]

Explaining yourself matters in a few ways:

1) You'll improve as you get experience actually laying things out
2) You'll have a chance to convince people you're right, and (if you're town) just as importantly give people a chance to engage with your read in case it's wrong, and convince you that it's wrong
3) Through being open about your process, you can enable the rest of the board to read you better

1) This has been proven false to me through every previous game of mine where I have tried. In fact, I got WORSE at getting my point across every game I tried to do it in.
2) town should do their own research and see if they agree or not. I gave the links to ISOs for comparison. And people engaging with me on my reads reasonings and forcing me to try to case is often why I'll 180 off scum. Not that it matters anyway because I literally can't get scum lynched no matter what I do. Even if people decide to sheep me it's just because I'm on fucking town so no. I'm not wasting my time trying to force explain something when that doesn't come easily to me.
3) I don't care. If people are bad enough to not realize I am town by now then I don't fucking care to try to obvtown for their benefit. Because they'll keep on their stupid confbias anyway.

Like, wrt CCC you should be able to point out the glaring difference. Are they high energy one game, low the other? Snarky vs serious? High emotion vs kind of dull? etc

Even that much will at least help to clarify where you're coming from. It's much harder when you simply say there's a glaring difference, because it's not helpful to other people to say there's something there, when you could just explicitly point it out instead.

No, I can't. I said that I can't and I mean it. I am literally getting worse at this game with every game I play. There's a reason I decided to coast this game after I got my town read on transcend. If I could explain it in as simple words as you just provided don't you think I would have done it by now?

It's helpful to other people because they can look and draw their own opinions based on the links I gave to support my assertions. If they can't see what I can see then they're never going to no matter what I say.

I'd further point out that in your push on CCC, by not being clear about what you're seeing, if he's mafia (which I really don't buy), he's able to discredit your read since you seemingly can't back it up. And if he's town, he's going to think you're full of shit and casting shade that you can't back up, and (somewhat predictably) think you're a wolf for it.

If I can't be clear about a read because I can't words then I don't need to have it rubbed in my goddamn face. I have given my evidence and tried to explain it in literally the only way I can.

He's just not town. I can't explain it but he's not town. That's not a town push on me. Io is a town push on me.

[Io]

@Trans Paranoid.

[Transcend]

of the 3 times i've been scum with you (you subbed out right as i subbed in to beeboy's fire and ice) does this feel like my scum game that you saw in those 3 games to you?

[Hermie]

Burgerking:

I did give a TL;DR if you didn't want to read the whole post. I don't read long posts myself so I was nice to everyone and gave a TL;DR. Out of my 3 scumreads besides you {Hermie, rb} how many do you think are correct?

CCC

: Why are you being so neutral today? You've only taken a stance on Jae today and even then it was pretty weak and I didn't like the way you voted him.

CloudKicker

: Y r u a big stinky? When you're back can you give 2 scumreads and 2 townreads?

Hermie

: You acknowledge that rb's posts are scummy, however you think he's scummy town. What about his posts strike you as "scummy town"

Impoetic

: Were there reasons that you voted Uzi besides him being the leading bandwagon? Who do you think is scum on the Uzi wagon if there is any?

Io

: Am I a hard scumread for you or just you're paranoid about me? Because I really can't have you fosing me here.

JaeReed

: What's your read on Impoetic at this current moment? Keep in mind: the only answers acceptable for this question are "Town" or "Scum".

mhsmith0

: Do you agree with me that Jae/CCC are probably not a team? Are there any reads you have that I don't, and that I should take into consideration?

rb

: You haven't proven to me that you've genuinely been progressing through the game. Give me some reads right now. I asked you before and I'm gonna ask you again.

VWXYZ

: Still fos me? What about my vote was scummier than the rest? Also, I'm off of work for two days so I'm down to play you in the Jotto Tourney whenever.

Every game I've played with rb he has been excessively scummy town and his play feels much the same to me rn.

[Transcend]

have u seen his scum play?

[Hermie]

No I have not. I've pushed for his lynch as town tho.

[CloudKicker]

Came back, will reread everything when i wake up

[CCC]

I'd further point out that in your push on CCC, by not being clear about what you're seeing, if he's mafia (which I really don't buy), he's able to discredit your read since you seemingly can't back it up. And if he's town, he's going to think you're full of shit and casting shade that you can't back up, and (somewhat predictably) think you're a wolf for it.

To be fair, I've had enough Town people thinking I'm Mafia when I'm actually Town in previous games that I don't think I can really consider "thinking I'm Mafia when I'm Town" to be particularly alignment indicative.

But Jae voting for his third-top scumread yesterday is significant evidence against him already, in my view.

[CCC]

CCC

: Why are you being so neutral today? You've only taken a stance on Jae today and even then it was pretty weak and I didn't like the way you voted him.

I have one scumread, and it's a pretty firm scumread, so I'm trying to push it.

I

had

you as my second-top scumread at the start of the day (for your push on Uzi day one) but you've been looking a lot less scummy today - I don't know if it's because you're actually Town, or because you're a good actor.

I have a few Townreads as well, I'm not going to be voting for them unless I'm convinced my read is wrong

...and those are the reads I've got. I'm only pushing one person, because I only have one decent scumread. The way I see it, if we take him down today, then we can track down the rest of scum afterwards.

[CCC]

I just wanted your stance and nothing else lol

The reasoning's good. I want to see more reasoning from him. Specifically about all the reads where he just says 'tone' and seems to think that that explains it.

[CCC]

1) This has been proven false to me through every previous game of mine where I have tried. In fact, I got WORSE at getting my point across every game I tried to do it in.

...I fail to see how

not

explaining would be better than a poor explanation. You're not getting your point across at

all

by remaining silent.

[Transcend]

Who are your few good town reads?

[VWXYZ]

UNVOTE: Transcend
hm idk any more after reading you seem pretty towny but im not sure who is maf then cause i thought u were

[VWXYZ]

have u seen his scum play?

btw pm me on em when ur on so we can fcking play that jotto

[Transcend]

I'm here right now

Are you gonna do a bizarre word

Because i won't

[VWXYZ]

I'm here right now

Are you gonna do a bizarre word

Because i won't

im trying to do some practice games cause i suck at jotto

[Transcend]

np. hmu when ready. i'll be in comp.

[JaeReed]

1) This has been proven false to me through every previous game of mine where I have tried. In fact, I got WORSE at getting my point across every game I tried to do it in.

...I fail to see how

not

explaining would be better than a poor explanation. You're not getting your point across at

all

by remaining silent.

I have not remained silent.
You are not on mafia right now. So no, you're not going to find any mafia after you fail to lynch me.
You just picked out one part and ignored the part where I literally said I can't get my words to do what I want to explain it. I cannot explain it. There's a basis there that I can't explain, and I was actually relying on someone else looking at the evidence and putting it into words because I can't. Not everyone can manage to spin words their way all the fucking time.

[Transcend]

Anyone besides hermie wanna give a reason why rb shouldn't die?

[Io]

1) This has been proven false to me through every previous game of mine where I have tried. In fact, I got WORSE at getting my point across every game I tried to do it in.

...I fail to see how

not

explaining would be better than a poor explanation. You're not getting your point across at

all

by remaining silent.

I have not remained silent.
You are not on mafia right now. So no, you're not going to find any mafia after you fail to lynch me.
You just picked out one part and ignored the part where I literally said I can't get my words to do what I want to explain it. I cannot explain it. There's a basis there that I can't explain, and I was actually relying on someone else looking at the evidence and putting it into words because I can't. Not everyone can manage to spin words their way all the fucking time.

There is a difference between not attempting to explain, and explaining badly. Inherently if you at least gave a poor explanation it would help whereas no explanation doesn't help and is incredibly scummy.
Anyone can say 'X is scummy' and when asked why just say 'they feel like scum.' Now, that's not inherently bad it just means you're not contributing reads at all. But when you say "I was actually relying on someone else looking at the evidence and putting it into words" that is where the problem with this comes in. If you use this to give a defense for not explaining reads you must also provide the evidence you were using. Not giving explination and not giving evidence is what is extremely scummy. At least if you give evidence then you can say this and it be OK as you provide the evidence and let people draw conclusions, but you're wanting people to find evidence to back up your FoS and then also provide the actual accusation pretty much removing as much of the blame of a mislynch as you possibly can.
This is why I always say this is a scum tell because of how lazy it is and how easy it is for scum to replicate and not take the blame for a mislynch they are pushing to start.

[Hermie]

Anyone besides hermie wanna give a reason why rb shouldn't die?

I am perfectly comfortable killing rb I'm just saying that I don't view his play as being scum lean necessarily.


(I just had to )

[Burgerking]

Burgerking:

I did give a TL;DR if you didn't want to read the whole post. I don't read long posts myself so I was nice to everyone and gave a TL;DR. Out of my 3 scumreads besides you {Hermie, rb} how many do you think are correct?

ur maf
rb is town
idk about hermie

[Burgerking]

UNVOTE: Transcend
hm idk any more after reading you seem pretty towny but im not sure who is maf then cause i thought u were

fishy switch.
i dont think he suddenly became towny just bc he wrote a long post