Skruffs wrote:Cicero, regardless of what I think of your play, I'm not insulting your intelligence. Am I? If I am, it's not intentional. You are, and I can only take it as someone trying to undermine another player's character.
I am pointing out how you consistently mischaracterise things. It isn't the first example. I'm content to blame your cell phone if you like. No insult intended but I can't just ignore it. Either you are scum or you mischaracterise things accidentally. I can't point that out without being somewhat less than charitable, but I'm not doing it out of meanness. I like your play for the most part. You've been tenacious and involved. But you mischaracterise a lot and it leads you to (in my case anyway) incorrect conclusions. How else should I say if not just point it out. I'm not letting you insulate yourself from misrepresentation, any more than you would me.
Here is the post:
(Long post redacted by Cicero.)
He uses confidence and agression as pro-town aspects, and lurkiness as anti-town aspects. However, he says some people are town who are lurky (white) and others are scum who are confident/agressive (BM).
Can you not see how what you just said - which is quite correct - is different than what you said before, and how it changes your conclusions? In the one case you wrote "he sees confidence as a good thing for some and a bad things for others". That is false. What you said above, however is true. He sees confidence as pro-town. The real conclusion, that I take from his run-down is that he says nothing. "This person is confident and posts a lot. maybe town. This person is lurky. thinking scum."
He's posting without really saying anything and he's riding the sentiment of the game almost to a tee. He wasnt out of step at any point. He just surfed the wave. What am I supposed to get from that?
More importantly where the hell is your FOS for everyone else that hasn't done a full Gorgon autopsy??
Also:
Where did you relook at Gorgon? I didn't see any posts where you reviewed Gorgon's actions to see where he may have been
trying to mislead the town.
I've read his posts several times since he died. I havent posted anything because I havent found anything yet.
You *did* see enough in Jester's posts to merit a fairly lengthy report on him, though, and he was town. So again, what about you vs gorgon vs jester led you to think that a vanilla townie would have more insight - intentionally or not - about who scum is than one of the mafia partners?
Jester was aggresively scumhunting. Gorgon was pretending to. Jester ended up dead. Not from one kill. From TWO!!! I already explained that I thought Jester was killed, not because he was the cop, but because he was good. He came in and looked dangerous to someone. Want to find our scum? I think they are in Jester's FOS list. I posted my thoughts on Jester because I saw something worth posting there. It has since been largely ignored. Just like everything in this game.
(Frankly for the most part this game has a certain zombie quality. Whether it's my case against Flea or yours against me, or Shaka's against Battlemage, the rest of the town just goes meh. It gets frustrating after a while. And by the way its why I havent been as aggressively active as I often am in games. I'm sick of trying to do the heavy lifting while other people shrug and ignore me. I'm sure you are too.)
(Note : Jester was the cop, BUT he never had an inspection, so other than his title he was a vanilla townie when day 1 ended.)
What the hell does point you keep making matter? I didnt give him any cop credence whatsoever. It seems that you are tryingto discredit my scumhunting and Jester's in one fell swoop. Jester's investigation warrant looking at because of how targetted he was.
"I think that the best way to handle those kind of posts if you are scum is to just give your honest impressions of your partners play. If your partner looks scummy say he looks scummy. If he looks town say he looks town. It's very insulating.
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And you said he looked Town. That's very insulating, isn't it?[/quote][/quote]
I'm not insulated from Gorgon at all. If I wasn't myself I'd be looking at me after Gorgon died. I thought he was totally town and he loved the way I played. It was a big smoochie love fest. I'm more curious about why you're the ONLY person to point it out aggressively.
But basically, you bend over backwards to make this double WIFOM argument that is basically "well scumbuddies are supposed to distance so Gorgon and Cicero being cuddly is meant to throw us off". No. Scumbuddies distance to throw you off. If they dont do it they dont throw you off. That's why its risky (I'm learning) being supportive of anyone in this game. Because you don't know who the scum are. Basically though with you, once again I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't.
