STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[Varsoon]

"Save your strength! You're up against one of the earth's greatest trapping technologies, the child safety lock!"

-Steven,

Message Received

VOTECOUNT 5.06

TheWayItEnds (6):

Kraska77, mastin2, ReasonablyRational, Creature, Thefuzzylogic99, Almost50

Creature (3):

MagnaofIllusion, Farside22, Shadow_Step

Kraska77 (1):

grapes

Not Voting (3):

Shiro, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-11-06 10:00:00)

The Current Stress is -2:

Kraska77 replaces Kraskaesque

[TheWayItEnds]

So you get two vig shots....you can use them on -4 or on Season finale
Do you have to ally to use them????

literally did you read a single one of my posts

[TheWayItEnds]

i get 1 vig shot.

only usable on season finale.

-4 only pertains to my vig shot insofar as i thought i could kill farside through her aesthetic thing she does.

i dont have to be allied to use it.

[TheWayItEnds]

or i guess 1 shot per season finale.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Sorry misunderstood you were talking about there being two vigs,,,,,thus two shots

You are basically claiming that if you have a -4 during the season finale you have a sure kill. Btw I thought of popping Far with my kill when I had a chance but decided not to so you targeting Far is not a question in my mind.
Especially if you thought you had a sure kill. I think whoever is claiming that you are fake claiming that is prob wrong. The reason I ask things that seem stupid is sometimes I misunderstand what people are saying and so I ask to make sure I am getting things right. I tend not to be the brightest bulb sometimes.

Why did you claim gunsmith and not vig as it seems everything you are claiming points to being a vig?

[farside22]

Tfl I don't see where twie is saying he thought his shot was 100% sure yhing.
Here's the other reason I think he is lying about it.
Chara targeted dgb and got results, dgb being ascetic that should have failed, however it succeeded because here ability was able to go through no matter what thanks to kraska.

[Shadow_step]

This is exactly how CCed scum react. He is selling the narrative that both him and TFL are town, he is treating TFL like he is town.

Can we lynch this now?

[grapes]

Do we all have allies?

Because I'm about ready for a twie flip.

[farside22]

This is exactly how CCed scum react. He is selling the narrative that both him and TFL are town, he is treating TFL like he is town.

Can we lynch this now?

Sure.

Vote: twie

[Shadow_step]

So I might be wrong about TFL.
Wtf were you doing saving Snarky though :/

[Shadow_step]

Submitting mastin

[farside22]

So I might be wrong about TFL.
Wtf were you doing saving Snarky though :/

Tunneling

[MagnaofIllusion]

For the record TWIE's flip is not going to be delayed by the Crystal Gems. Any delay is part of the natural game processes.

[Creature]

Right, I am with Shiro.

[farside22]

For the record TWIE's flip is not going to be delayed by the Crystal Gems. Any delay is part of the natural game processes.

Just flip as soon as possible for him.

[MagnaofIllusion]

For the record TWIE's flip is not going to be delayed by the Crystal Gems. Any delay is part of the natural game processes.

Just flip as soon as possible for him.

That's what I'm saying. We don't have control over how long the process takes if we don't choose to delay the flip. I know we have like a 24 - 48 hour period to make the choice. I've already posted in the Gem PT to Varsoon saying we specifically choose not to bubble TWIE.

[farside22]

For the record TWIE's flip is not going to be delayed by the Crystal Gems. Any delay is part of the natural game processes.

Just flip as soon as possible for him.

That's what I'm saying. We don't have control over how long the process takes if we don't choose to delay the flip. I know we have like a 24 - 48 hour period to make the choice. I've already posted in the Gem PT to Varsoon saying we specifically choose not to bubble TWIE.

So I can lynch the mod for the delay more then I thought.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

S_S
Snarky was town. I am not very bright at time but it was obvious that he was town. I saw he was town and saved him.

[Shiro]

Right, I am with Shiro.

We are allying?!

[mastin2]

But the analysis I did was, by and large, reliant on a TWIE townflip, not scumflip, and if you're town like you say you are, TWIE, then my analysis holds true because it was seven all town votes on SnarkySnowman, even if one of them was controlled by scum.)

You do get that this makes no sense, correct? I mean you are talking from a standpoint of wagon analysis then if you see a TWIE Town flip then by rote it means that one of the votes on the wagon was put there by scum (DGB) and the fact that it is a “all Town wagon” isn’t a valid analysis point in the least. Scum chose to obfuscate their involvement in the wagon but still were the driving force in placing one of the votes there.

A fine thought in theory, but what both TWIE--and now you--are failing to take into consideration is that if TWIE is town, DGB could not have been in communication with the scumteam.
Ergo, if TWIE is town, DGB did not know SnarkySnowman was also town.
Ergo, if TWIE is town, DGB had no way of knowing she was voting town.

Her vote--rather, TWIE's proxied vote--is entirely null for the purposes of scumteam analysis given a TWIE townflip. Because while the scumteam could safely assume she was scum (see also: her publicly claiming traitor), she had no channel of communication with THEM.

In other words?
The wagon still counts as an all-town wagon.

Because there is no informed minority on it. DGB counts as an UNINFORMED minority.

VCA relies, on its absolute most fundamental level, as a series of calculations based off of the FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE of the informed minority vs the uninformed majority. You use VCA in your own way, so you know this as does anyone else who uses it. So when you encounter a special situation such as a player who is NOT informed but is part of the minority...what do you do? Counting them identically to as if they were an informed minority is egregious.

[mastin2]

Also yeah. Going with Shadow_step.

[mastin2]

And by the way: if you want to hold to the idea "DGB communicated on D2 rather than D3 then!", well...
If the chart is trusted,
RR with Yume (Yume was town)
S_S with grapes (TWIE town means grapes town)
A50 with Xkfyu (Xkfyu was town)
Skybird with farside (TWIE town means farside town)
Shiro with randomidget (randomidget is town)
kraska with Not Chara (Not Chara was town)
Do correct any of those. But that leaves:

Fuzzy unknown
Creature failed with Shiro

Literally the only two possible names there where DGB could have communicated, because all the other alliances have been confirmed to have been working, as far as I know.
So again, point holds true.

[MagnaofIllusion]

A fine thought in theory, but what both TWIE--and now you--are failing to take into consideration is that if TWIE is town, DGB could not have been in communication with the scumteam.
Ergo, if TWIE is town, DGB did not know SnarkySnowman was also town.
Ergo, if TWIE is town, DGB had no way of knowing she was voting town.

Whether DGB “knew” Snarky was Town or not is kind of irrelevant to the discussion from my perspective. The vote there was a vote placed there by a scum player. Regardless of whether DGB knew for certain he was placing a vote on Town or scum it was a vote placed by scum regardless.

If this means that we are not able to reconcile to each other’s points of view on your wagon analysis that’s what will have to be the case. Personally I think you are putting too much emphasis on wagon composition at specific snapshots of in time and not analyzing how the wagons moved.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Green= Earth LT Blue= Gems Red=Rubies Yellow= Unknown Town

VOTECOUNT 1.01

Reasonably Rational (2): grapes,

Firebringer

Creature (2):

Obi-Wan Kenobi (Titus),

Xkfyu

Not Voting (21):

Klingoncelt

,

SirCakez

, Foxbird](Shadow)

Skybird

, Almost50, Shiro,

DrippingGoofball

, Farside22,

Yume,

CooLDoG (MathBlades),

Reasonably Rational,

mastin2

,

Not Chara

, Kraskaeaque, killthestory(MOI),

McMenno

,

Seraphim TFL99

,

SnarkySnowman

, Creature, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

VOTECOUNT 1.02

Reasonably Rational (3): grapes,

Firebringer, McMenno

Creature (2):

Obi-Wan Kenobi (Titus)

,

Xkfyu

Not Chara

(2):

mastin2

,

Yume

Obi-Wan Kenobi (Titus)

(1): Farside22
Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

McMenno

(1):

CooLDoG (mathblades)

Not Voting (15):

Klingoncelt

,

SirCakez

, Foxbird (Shadow),

Skybird

, Almost50, Shiro,

DrippingGoofball

, Reasonably Rational,

Not Chara

, Kraskaeaque, killthestory(MOI)

Seraphim (TFL

, Creature, randomidget, TheWayItEnds


VOTECOUNT 1.03

Not Chara

(4):

mastin2

,

Yume

,

Obi-Wan Kenobi(Titus)

, Almost50
Reasonably Rational (3): grapes,

Firebringer, McMenno

Obi-Wan Kenobi(Titus)

(2): Farside22,

Not Chara

Creature
(1):

Xkfyu

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

McMenno

(1):

CooLDoG

Not Voting (13):

Klingoncelt

,

SirCakez

, Foxbird (Shadow),

Skybird

, Shiro,

DrippingGoofball

, Reasonably Rational, Kraskaeaque, killthestory(MOI),

Seraphim (TFL),

Creature, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

VOTECOUNT 1.04

Not Chara

(4):

mastin2

,

Yume

,

Obi-Wan Kenobi (Titus)

, Almost50
Reasonably Rational (3): grapes,

Firebringer, McMenno

Obi-Wan Kenobi (Titus)

(2):

Not Chara

,

SirCakez

SirCakez (2):

SnarkySnowman

, Creature
Creature (1):

Xkfyu

McMenno

(1):

CooLDoG (Math)

TheWayItEnds (1):

Seraphim(TFL

)

Seraphim(TFL)

(1): Farside22

Not Voting (10):

Klingoncelt

, Foxbird (Shadow) ,

Skybird

, Shiro,

DrippingGoofball

, Reasonably Rational, Kraskaeaque, killthestory( Moi), randomidget, TheWayItEnds

VOTECOUNT 1.05

Not Chara

(5):

mastin2

,

Yume

,

Obi-Wan Kenobi(Titus),

Almost50, grapes
Reasonably Rational (3):

Firebringer, McMenno

,

DrippingGoofball

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

SirCakez

(2): Creature, Farside22
Creature (1):

Xkfyu

McMenno (1):

CooLDoG(Math)

SnarkySnowman

SnarkySnowman

(1):

Xkfyu

(1):

Seraphim(TFL)

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

grapes (1):

Not Chara

Not Voting (9):

Klingoncelt

, Foxbird Shadow),

Skybird

, Shiro, Reasonably Rational, Kraskaeaque, killthestory (MOI) , randomidget, TheWayItEnds

VOTECOUNT 1.06

Not Chara

(5):

mastin2

,

Yume

,

Obi-Wan Kenobi (Titus)

, Almost50, grapes
Reasonably Rational (3):

Firebringer

,

McMenno

,

DrippingGoofball

Obi-Wan Kenobi (Titus

)(1):

SirCakez

SirCakez (2): Creature, Farside22
Creature (1):

Xkfyu

McMenno

(1):

CooLDoG(math)

Xkfyu

(1):

Seraphim(TFL)

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

grapes (1):

Not Chara

Not Voting (9):

Klingoncel

t, Foxbird (Shadow) ,

Skybird

, Shiro, Reasonably Rational, Kraskaeaque, killthestory(MOI), randomidget, TWIE

VOTECOUNT 1.07

McMenno

(5):

CooLDoG(Math),

Firebringer

, SirCakez,

Seraphim (TFL)

, Almost50

Not Chara

(4): grapes,

Skybird

,

Yume

,

Obi-Wan Kenobi(Titus)

Reasonably Rational (3):

McMenno

,

DrippingGoofball

, Creature

SirCakez

(2):

Not Chara

,

mastin2

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

VOTECOUNT 1.08

Reasonably Rational (5):

McMenno

,

DrippingGoofball

,

mastin2

, Creature,

Firebringer

McMenno

(4):

CooLDoG (math

),

SirCakez,

Seraphim(TFL99),

Almost50

Not Chara

(4): grapes,

Skybird

,

Yume

,

Obi-Wan Kenobi(Titus)

SirCakez

(1):

Not Chara

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (9):

Klingoncelt

, Foxbird, Shiro, Reasonably Rational, Kraskaeaque, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds, Farside22


VOTECOUNT 1.09

Not Chara

(6): grapes,

Skybird

,

Yume

, Almost50, Kraskaeaque
Reasonably Rational (4):

McMenno

,

DrippingGoofball,

mastin2

, Farside22

McMenno

(3):

CooLDoG (Math)

,

SirCakez

,

Seraphim(TFL)

Klingoncelt

(2):

Firebringer, Obi-Wan Kenobi(Titus)

Almost50 (2): Shiro, Creature

SirCakez

(1):

Not Chara

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncel

t, Foxbird, Reasonably Rational, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

VoteCount 1:10

SirCakez

(5):

Not Chara

,

Yume

,

mastin2

,

Obi-Wan Kenobi (Titus

)

McMenno

Not Chara

(3): grapes,

Skybird

, Kraskaeaque
Reasonably Rational (3):

DrippingGoofball

, Farside22,

Firebringe

r
McMenno (3):

CooLDoG Math)

,

SirCakez

,

Seraphim(TFL)

Almost50 (2): Shiro, Creature
Creature (2):

Xkfyu,

Almost50
Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncelt

, Foxbird, Reasonably Rational, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds


VOTECOUNT 1.11

SirCakez

(5):

Not Chara

,

Yume

,

mastin2

,

Obi-Wan Kenobi (Titus), McMenno

McMenno

(3):

CooLDoG(Mathh)

SirCakez

Seraphim(TFL)

Not Chara

(2): grapes, Kraskaeaque
Reasonably Rational (2):

DrippingGoofbal

l,

Firebringer

Almost50 (2): Shiro, Creature
Creature (2): X

kfyu

, Almost50
Shiro (2): Farside22,

Skybird

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncelt

, Foxbird, Reasonably Rational, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

VOTECOUNT 1.12

SirCakez (7):

Not Chara

,

mastin2

,

Obi-Wan Kenobi(Titus) , McMenno

,

Yume

, grapes, Shiro
Shiro (4): Farside22,

Skybird,

Almost50

Skybird

(2): killthestory, Creature

McMenno

(2):

CooLDoG(Math

),

Seraphim(TFL)

Not Chara

(1): Kraskaeaque
Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Obi-Wan Kenobi(Titus)

(1):

SirCakez

Klingoncelt

(1)

Firebringer

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncel

t, Foxbird, Reasonably Rational, randomidget, TheWayItEnds,

DrippingGoofball

VOTECOUNT 1.13

SirCakez

(10):

Not Chara

,

mastin2

,

Obi-Wan Kenobi

,

McMenno

,

Yume

, grapes, Shiro,

Firebringer

, Reasonably Rational,

SnarkySnowman

Shiro (4): Farside22,

Skybird,

Almost50

Firebringer

(2):

Klingoncelt

McMenno

(2):

CooLDoG (math)

,

Seraphim(TFL)

Skybird

(1): Creature

Not Chara

(1): Kraskaeaque
Creature (1): Xkfyu

Obi-Wan Kenobi Titus

(1):

SirCakez

Farside22 (1): killthestory

Not Voting (4): Foxbird, randomidget, TheWayItEnds, DrippingGoofball


VOTECOUNT 1.14

SirCakez

(10):

Not Chara,

mastin2,

Obi-Wan Kenobi(Titus)

,

McMenno

, grapes, Shiro,

Xkfyu

,

SnarkySnowman

,

Yume

, Kraskaeaque
Farside22 (3): killthestory,

Firebringer

, Almost50
Shiro (2): Farside22,

Skybird

Firebringer (2): Klingoncelt

McMenno

(2):

CooLDoG (Math) , Thefuzzylogic99

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1): SirCakez

Not Voting (6): Foxbird, randomidget, TheWayItEnds, DrippingGoofball, Creature, Reasonably Rational

VOTECOUNT 1.15

VOTECOUNT 1.15

SirCakez (12):

Not Chara

,

mastin2

,

Obi-Wan Kenobi (Titus

),

McMenno

, grapes, Shiro,

Xkfyu

,

SnarkySnowman

,

Yume

, Kraskaeaque,

Klingoncelt

Farside22 (3): killthestory,

Firebringer

, Almost50
Shiro (2): Farside22,

Skybird

McMenno

(2):

CooLDoG, Thefuzzylogic99

Obi-Wan Kenobi (Titus)(

1):

SirCakez

Not Voting (6): Foxbird, randomidget, TheWayItEnds,

DrippingGoofball,

Creature, Reasonably Rational

SirCakez

(LYNCH):

Not Chara

,

mastin2

,

Obi-Wan Kenobi (Titus

),

McMenno

, grapes, Shiro,

Xkfyu,

SnarkySnowman,

Yume

, Kraskaeaque,

Klingoncelt

, Reasonably Rational

Farside22 (3): killthestory,

Firebringer,

Almost50
Shiro (2): Farside22,

Skybird

McMenno

(2):

CooLDoG, Thefuzzylogic99

Obi-Wan Kenobi (Titus)

(1):

SirCakez

Not Voting (5): Foxbird, randomidget, TheWayItEnds,

DrippingGoofball

, Creature

[Almost50]

Reminder: Alliances to be established for the next phase:

Almost+grapes
MoI+randomidget
RR+farside
kraska+Fuzzy
mastina+Shadow_Step
Creature+Shiro