Mini 1851 : Order of the Stick Mafia - Epilogue

[Wisdom]

wraith and cakez?

[Tammy]

hey that was my guess

[Kagami]

I doubt two scummos jumped on you with such silly reasoning, wisdom.

My current frontrunners are actually Shadow and Leon. I'm surprised by the diversity.

[Wisdom]

maybe not both, but one of them probably is

talk to me about shadow and leon. I don't have a read on either

[kraska77]

i can buy leon as scum. i dont think he can ever convincingly explain that vote on me tbh

[Infinity 324]

I've played 3 other games with town!leon and his first post was always scummy

[kraska77]

i just went through shadows iso...nothing stands out to me so far...but he needs to post more content bc most of his iso is about his pedantic comment on tammy's post

[Infinity 324]

I just ISO'd wisdom and he's done quite a bit of not a lot. I'd like to see more questioning from you I guess wisdom

[Infinity 324]

i just went through shadows iso...nothing stands out to me so far...but he needs to post more content bc most of his iso is about his pedantic comment on tammy's post

Agree with this.

[Wisdom]

I just went through shadow's ISO and I don't really like it

[Kagami]

Shadow's opening post looks motivated by "being safe." The initial part of his rule-of-three 147 is reasonable, but I don't like the wisdom bit and the final part also feels limp-wristed to me, as if the point were to mention an buddy in a negative light.

I also think the townreads on infinity aren't terribly well justified, and am suspicious that three players have it. I would guess that exactly one infinity-defender is scum regardless of his alignment.

[Infinity 324]

I also think the townreads on infinity aren't terribly well justified, and am suspicious that three players have it. I would guess that exactly one infinity-defender is scum regardless of his alignment.

That would be wisdom, leon, and who else?

[Kagami]

I have kraska as #3. Let me double check.

[Kagami]

Town: perepere, Tammy, infinity
Lean town: nacho
Lean scum: kagami

I'm in class and internet sucks here so I'll get back to this when I'm back home

[kraska77]

shadow's play in the purge mafia came off as "playing safe" and he got scumread for it...im waiting for more content but i think shadow laying low and playing safe isnt particularly scummy for him

pedit: theres pere too i think

[Kagami]

There's a difference between playing safe and having intent to play safe (especially in RVS).

[Kagami]

forgot about peregrine, but I think he's town anyway.

[Wisdom]

you're right that shadow's addressing of Leon could be a buddy thing

[Wraith]

it could still mean that he doesnt find your reasoning convincing enough to think that was a genuine progression
idk wraith come explain that post of urs pls

pedit: wahat

This

I liked Infinity for town-lean early but as time goes on I like him less.

I like Kraska for town but find her scumread on Kagami strange.

Kagami still strongest townread.

PeregrineV townread.

Biggest scum leans are farside and Wisdom but they aren't particularly strong at this point.

[Wisdom]

so your issue is that post rather than the change from scumlean to town?

[Wisdom]

because if so, I have further explained what I meant there in multiple posts yet you are not commenting on any

Given you had infinity as town lean you should be seeing at least a portion of what I saw there

yet you still list me as a scumread as if nothing happened

[Wraith]

Specific stuff I don't like about Infinity so far:

I had a woohoo woowee I'm town post planned, but I rolled scum

that's what you really meant, admit it

Why no vote?

This really rubs me the wrong way. It's a pretty obvious joke literally less than 10 posts into the game but he's jumping on it like it's scummy.

I liked him town-lean early for posts 25, 28, and 39, but so far that's kind of it.

Ha! I thought it had something to do with the numbers.

Tammy - Understanding P5's humor since 2016. Go me!

Infinity - Did you just vote nacho because there was a wagon started on him already?

Yes

This rubs me wrong too.

You're entitled to your opinion. Since I don't think farside's vote was particularly scummy, I'm not going to bother to argue it.

He says this, but previously had like five posts questioning the motives of farside's vote. ???

His vote on me without explaining why is odd but could easily just be looking to get a reaction out of me. I guess it worked a different way because it drew a lot of reactions from other players.

I might shift my vote in a minute. About to re-read Wisdom's ISO to see if I'm remembering things right in my evaluation of him.

[kraska77]

@wisdom i dont know why you keep making it sound like the two things are mutually exclusive when he just said that one followed from the other
also ur explanations dont really redeem ur townread reasoning from being strange so i dont know what u expect him to comment oon exactly

[Wraith]

I think I'll stay put for now. I don't really like Wisdom's reaction to my vote and quite a few of his posts afterward are asking people to validate his scumread of me.

[Nachomamma8]

this is kind of a cringe post
the probing stopped being about understanding infinity's thought process, and became about kagami flexing town muscles. also theres a coaching tone to this post that really rubs me the wrong way, kagami later says that she's not reding infinity one way or the other, and i feel if that really were true, the interaction wouldnt have come to its conclusion in the form of the post above. also i just dont like that kagami is using her own interpretation of farsides motivations as a benchmark to compare infinity's against, rather than read infinity's motivations for what they are

So, to the point about "stopping probing and flexing muscles", I don't really disagree with your statement but I'm thinking you're missing intent. First of all, I don't really think Kagami had any more probing to do on that particular point; Infinity had already given his reasons for farside and showed that he wasn't thinking about it particular hard. Second of all, the "flexing muscles" bit didn't come out of the blue; it came after Infinity told Kagami she was thinking too much in 39. I don't think the action is in and of itself a scumtell (I do it plenty as both alignments to show people that I'm thinking more about things than they think I am), and I think it made sense there as a way to show Infinity the direction she was taking (digging on whether he thought that farside was voting him because of Wisdom or not). Coaching tells are pretty silly in general, and I'm not sure why you don't think that Kagami would end an interaction in the way she did if she didn't really draw any conclusions from it. Her read also doesn't seem to be based on farside's motivations. She explained why she thought Infinity-scum might buy into Wisdom-town's reasoning (and thus assume farside's vote on it was based on that as a result); I don't really agree with it since I think that it's completely possible Infinity-scum thought Wisdom's reasons sucked despite Wisdom being town, but I don't understand why this would bother you overmuch. Her actual read on Infinity and not Infinity in the context of pairs seems to be based on his approach to farside (which doesn't have anything to do with farside's motivation) and maybe a couple things she commented on, so I'm not sure you're interpreting that right either.