Mini Normal 1839 - Dead/Spectator PT

[Foxbird]

The question is, do three V/LAs justify a day extension?

Though two of them are supposed to come back on the 23rd. I'll see if things pick up tomorrow, I guess?

[Foxbird]

And now we welcome malpascp into our midst.

Hi!

[Foxbird]

As things stand now, we will get company in the next few hours.

[Foxbird]

Welcome, GreyICE!

Let the WIFOM begin.

[callforjudgement]

From a theory perspective, looking only at the events in the game (and ignoring my knowledge of the setup), it certainly seems more likely that the scum shot at a PR claim who got saved by a Bodyguard, than it does that the scum happened to hit a Bodyguard randomly (especially as it was night 1, so scum can't have had any information from rolecop-like roles yet).

Spoiler: Comments based on knowledge of the roles that exist in the game

If you take the list of roles that exist in the game into account, the events of the night raise more questions than answers and are somewhat confusing. It wouldn't surprise me if things didn't go the way that either faction was expecting. It also seems considerably more likely that the kill was just random. Additionally, I can also believe that Fire Assassin was fakeclaiming, either as scum or as town. (For some reason, attempting to draw the kill didn't cross my mind. If that was what he was doing, it may have failed, or it may have worked a little too well.)

[Foxbird]

Do you want me to answer some of those in spoilers?

[callforjudgement]

It's up to you.

[Foxbird]

I will share this tiny morsel:

Fire is not fakeclaiming.

[callforjudgement]

Err, Fire Assassin (for when you see this), a Jailkeeper doesn't block the target of their action from being neighbourized by someone else. You're thinking of Alien, Kidnapper, etc..

[GreyICE]

What is this.

[GreyICE]

So this day 2 thing.

What's it like? Can someone tell me.

[GreyICE]

I would never protect a garbage claim. That's negative utility, and FA should die for his shit.

[GreyICE]

I hope they don't let Saru talk his way out of this. Him and Thor are both scum.

[callforjudgement]

Ugh, I just realised a mistake I made in the review (I'd forgotten to account for the Bodyguard getting shot directly early in the game; this is something I'm normally aware of, it just slipped my mind for some reason in this one). This setup's therefore a little more scumsided than I thought it was. That said, it's probably still in the acceptable range; I

did

account for the Bodyguard failing to save people due to aiming incorrectly, and this is a very similar situation balance-wise (in addition to being less likely).

[Foxbird]

So what do you think, should I buy some real estate in the replacement thread

because I sure am hanging out there a lot

[GreyICE]

I'll replace in!

Wait... that's probably unethical, isn't it?

[Foxbird]

Probably! :')

[callforjudgement]

In an emergency, it's not entirely unknown for a VT to replace back in to a game they died in, but it's frowned upon (partly because it makes ISOing a pain – although you can fix that with an alt – but mostly because there's a conflict of interest if they draw scum). Players with power roles, or who were scum, can't replace back in because they had additional information. Players who have seen the dead thread have additional information too.

[GreyICE]

I think it's unethical for a more fundamental reason. Scum shot me, that was a choice. Or town lynched me, that's a choice. It's important not to undo that choice.

[Foxbird]

i'm sorry for my absence, cleaning house over the weekend and the impending election is eating up a lot of my time (I'm actually D Trump IRL).

VOTE: Thor

This is like the third time I spotted a vote and went into my mod PT to change the VC, only to realize halfway through that karnos was already voting Thor.
I am but a poor, confused mod. :'(

[GreyICE]

Well he just told you he's voting trump. Would anything else make sense either?

[inspectorscout]

He said he IS Trump
Which is even better!

[GreyICE]

Can't stump him!

[callforjudgement]

Less than 15 minutes to deadline, and still no hammer? Wow, it's like a newbie game.

[callforjudgement]

(For the record, there's at least one recorded case of a newbie game failing to hammer by deadline

in lylo

. I forget which, now; it was mentioned in one of the statistics threads.)