Newbie 1758 - Symmetry (Game Over)

[Psyche]

actually, I'll give it a null
"townie (like me ;) )" comes off as weirdly conspiratorial, and other parts of the post sort of faux patronizing

[Loopdan]

VOTE: Sobolev Space

One scum down.

RVS is over. You don't look very interested in finding scum if your votes don't actually show effort to advance discussion and/or get scum lynched.

For that reason,

vote Loopdan

Given your experience, I'm surprised you find a Day 1 naked vote from an SE player as AI.

Also, you ignored my clarifying post.

[Loopdan]

unvote

missed last post

probably have more of a townread than not from sobolev's questions, though asking them is an easy scum tactic

And I missed this.

[Joshz]

@loopdan
re: my questions to Psyche
I think I gave pretty good reasons in my post for why I'm asking these questions to the IC. If you don't believe my reasons are legitimate or have questions about them then you should bring those up before trying to establish an ulterior motive. Any question to the IC can be construed as "oh I'm scum and just trying to figure out how to fool town" - I think you have to do a little more work than just saying I

could

have some other motive. Especially since the purpose of these newbie games is to learn and I'm just trying to get up to speed on mafia theory here for future games.

Also with regard to me not wanting to get lynched: everyone has a motive to not get lynched, not just scum. Every mislynch hurts town's win condition so if I'm town I'm gonna try just as hard as I can to not get lynched (

short of lying

), right?

re: my comments on Joshz/Human Sequencer
It was more I wasn't convinced that either of them were acting scummy (for reasons I gave in the post) and didn't want to get the thread derailed with an irrelevant argument when we could be doing more constructive stuff.

@Psyche: Thanks for the comments! I think the stuff about how town should do better than random chance is especially interesting. It seems to come down to a lot of subjective or hard to codify rules which is what got me interested in mafia in the first place.

Townies can definitely lie lol

[Jackel98]

@HowardRoark re: OMGUS disclaimer
I felt it was bad form for a newbie game to start with an "OMG U Suck" vote, considering they are looked down upon.

Josh, lying as town tends to be detrimental, especially when you're trying not to be mislynched. Town shouldn't have a reason to lie, not counting withholding roles.

[Loopdan]

@loopdan
re: my questions to Psyche
I think I gave pretty good reasons in my post for why I'm asking these questions to the IC. If you don't believe my reasons are legitimate or have questions about them then you should bring those up before trying to establish an ulterior motive. Any question to the IC can be construed as "oh I'm scum and just trying to figure out how to fool town" - I think you have to do a little more work than just saying I

could

have some other motive. Especially since the purpose of these newbie games is to learn and I'm just trying to get up to speed on mafia theory here for future games.

Also with regard to me not wanting to get lynched: everyone has a motive to not get lynched, not just scum. Every mislynch hurts town's win condition

so if I'm town

I'm gonna try just as hard as I can to not get lynched (short of lying), right?

re: my comments on Joshz/Human Sequencer
It was more I wasn't convinced that either of them were acting scummy (for reasons I gave in the post) and didn't want to get the thread derailed with an irrelevant argument when we could be doing more constructive stuff.

@Psyche: Thanks for the comments! I think the stuff about how town should do better than random chance is especially interesting. It seems to come down to a lot of subjective or hard to codify rules which is what got me interested in mafia in the first place.

so if I'm town

SS is pinging me hard.

[Joshz]

@HowardRoark re: OMGUS disclaimer
I felt it was bad form for a newbie game to start with an "OMG U Suck" vote, considering they are looked down upon.

Josh, lying as town tends to be detrimental, especially when you're trying not to be mislynched. Town shouldn't have a reason to lie, not counting withholding roles.

I don't agree. Town can lie. I don't know all the roles ms uses so I can't give specific examples but it's absolutely acceptable to lie at times, most commonly about false claiming and also baiting mafia to night target you. You can also situationally do things such as lie about reads to gauge reactions,. Then again, this probably isn't helpful to noobies so I digress.

[Joshz]

@loopdan
re: my questions to Psyche
I think I gave pretty good reasons in my post for why I'm asking these questions to the IC. If you don't believe my reasons are legitimate or have questions about them then you should bring those up before trying to establish an ulterior motive. Any question to the IC can be construed as "oh I'm scum and just trying to figure out how to fool town" - I think you have to do a little more work than just saying I

could

have some other motive. Especially since the purpose of these newbie games is to learn and I'm just trying to get up to speed on mafia theory here for future games.

Also with regard to me not wanting to get lynched: everyone has a motive to not get lynched, not just scum. Every mislynch hurts town's win condition

so if I'm town

I'm gonna try just as hard as I can to not get lynched (short of lying), right?

re: my comments on Joshz/Human Sequencer
It was more I wasn't convinced that either of them were acting scummy (for reasons I gave in the post) and didn't want to get the thread derailed with an irrelevant argument when we could be doing more constructive stuff.

@Psyche: Thanks for the comments! I think the stuff about how town should do better than random chance is especially interesting. It seems to come down to a lot of subjective or hard to codify rules which is what got me interested in mafia in the first place.

so if I'm town

SS is pinging me hard.

This isn't a scum slip lol

[Psyche]

its not a scum slip but it's the sketchiest thing anyone has said so far

[Joshz]

How? Or is that another example of something that this site views as scummy fsr (I've learned from my normal game this site has some weird views on some things)

[Joshz]

Like, I understand the basis, but really I know I'm town but none of the rest of you do, so for the sake of argument saying if im townie allows you to answer without technically tring him.

[Joshz]

Unvote
VOTE: alphabetman[/unvote]

[Joshz]

I'm retarded sorry

VOTE: alphabet

[Loopdan]

To be clear: I'm not a big fan of catching scum via "scum-slips." Not anymore after seeing town after town "slip" and get mis-lynched. Still, word choice does play into the analysis of whether a player's posts are more likely to come from a town or a scum mindset.

[Hellfire Missile]

UNVOTE: All

[Hellfire Missile]

idk what's happening but i think my computer/Mafia site is broken. Mafia site keeps saying that all you guys have posted at 4:20 ish PM but its only 3:26 right now

And a bunch of new posts just popped up

Any ideas on how to fix?

gonna try refresh

[Jackel98]

Daylights savings time

[Jackel98]

Look under the User Control Panel

[Hellfire Missile]

why does everyone have like majors in human physiology or whatever..

its so confusing

i've asked for help in contradictions or whatever but damn

no one really helps me and if they do i still wind up being confused

please

i've read stuff on the wiki but still

[Hellfire Missile]

Look under the User Control Panel

can't i have a school computer and it blocks system modifications including brightness, time settings, etc

[Jackel98]

No, on the site. At the top, beneath the MS logo. Then go to board preferences.

[Joshz]

This site's user control panel nit your computer rofl

[Loopdan]

@Hellfire

-- Do you have any other logins on this forum? Is so, you should know that alt accounts are not allowed to join Newbie games as newbies (only as replacements).

If it isn't obvious, I think you might be an experienced player who is acting like a super-newbie.

[Psyche]

oh, and in case anyone is looking at me weird, i have this avatar because i lost a bet

[Psyche]

Like, I understand the basis, but really I know I'm town but none of the rest of you do, so for the sake of argument saying if im townie allows you to answer without technically tring him.

more of a gut level than a literal thing