Mini 1852 - Werewolves and Jester win!

[Vedith]

Confirming even more than mhs.

[Vedith]

Well Played, sir!

[Vedith]

10th person to confirm is a scum claim.

[Vedith]

VOTE: McMeno
Day cop and all.

[Vedith]

VOTE: PUPPER
Where he at though?

He has double posts to you, what do you mean?

[Vedith]

Stranger has a 90% chance of having 20% chance of flipping scum.
Worth a quick lynch?

[Vedith]

PL sucks.

[Vedith]

PL is lame, yeah, but doesn't make it scummy.

[Vedith]

Who should we speed lynch, Jaack?
Kling is fine with me, I just want the day to end really early.

[Vedith]

*licks Alpaca's hand*

That's probably the most action Alpaca has ever had.

[Vedith]

Jaack... You scum?

PEdit - How the fuck can you vote a pupper? You monster!

[Vedith]

Jaack... You scum?

*Checking role PM*

Naaah

Phew! At least we have 2 confirmed town now.

[Vedith]

Dude's p much one of those Twitter bots

As long as I win an iPad, I ain't even mad.

[Vedith]

fake / very not genuine

Why would he lie about his role?

[Vedith]

you mean alignment

and, fuck, he doesn't even know if role/alignment is True - that mod is a bastard

more appropriate response would have been "I don't know! PM says so, but, I still have my doubts!"

Yeah I mean alignment!
I think his best response would have been "I'm scum!" because then we would have had scum on day 1 easy game easy life. But he didn't say that, so saying what his best response would be is pointless.
I know that my alignment is true. I'm town and Von would

never

lie to me!
Do you feel that you could be scum, Dreal?

[Vedith]

Dreal, you scum?

[Vedith]

Okay, so who's next for the questioning?

[Vedith]

I'm voting the mod

False!

[Vedith]

Kuroi, are you scum?

[Vedith]

Kuroi, are you scum?

Would you believe my answer, whichever way it may go?

Of course, you are all my friends, you have no reason to lie to me.

[Vedith]

Kuroi makes a good point. I'll send you some money later as a thanks for being so truthful.

So far we have

Town;
Vedith - Innocent Child almost
Jaack
Pupper
Alpaca (He was licked by a town dog or something)
Dreal
Kuroi

Maybe town;
Kling
Gamma
Snarky
Stranger

POE SCUM!!!!;
mhs
DBW
Drone

Scum 100%;
McMeno

[Vedith]

Savage.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Dreal

Pupper is our town pet!

[Vedith]

Quick, lynch the new kid!

[Vedith]

unvote, vote: gamma

one of you will die today

I'm not sure if you have the power to make that call.

[Vedith]

mcmenno - town
drone - null

you?

Explain why McScumbag is town.

[Vedith]

trust me, i do (this is not a soft claim just egotistical arrogance)

Trust me, you don't.

no reason at all to think he's scum first off

i feel his reactions give him enough credit to be town but i can understand why people think he's scum - not a hard 100% lean but it's good enough to say yes

Thinking someone is null and thinking they are town are 2 different things.
I'm not saying you should think of him as scum, I'm not sure what that response had any worth to...

Can you explain to me why people think he's scum, as you understand it.

- Most important part to answer
Can we dicuss his reactions as well?

cronfine

Null - Confirming the game

VOTE: Kuroi

scumclaimed

Null - RVS vote

waiting is for scrubs

VOTE: klingoncelt

Null - RVS vote

COWARD

FIGHT MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Null - Response to not being voted.

What reaction did you like the most there?

[Vedith]

post 49 is not an RVS vote

Okay, discuss it with me.
What was the vote about? Why do you think it's not RVS?

And explain why people think he is scummy.

[Vedith]

this post

What about that post made McMeno put a serious vote down?
How do you know that McMeno was making a serious vote?

because they literally read posts in /iso/lation

That makes little sense. Go through it with me.
People think McMeno is scum because of his Iso? What in particular?

[Vedith]

because he changed his vote and then referenced said vote

If he said "i don't like your face" or something like that, then sure I would agree with you - but it is clearly serious.

He said - Waiting is for scrubs. Refering to Stranger's post, not Kling's, for a start.
Not once did he express anything he didn't like about Kling, neither the post from Kling.
Saying "I don't like your face" and saying "waiting is for scrubs" has the same amount of serious to it.
Your point is invalid.

clearly referencing that you have solely been looking at McMenno without looking at the context of the game. It's page 8. That might work on a voting analysis...on page 30.

I tire of this. You're not understanding what I'm saying and I think I understand what you're saying but it's just wrong. If you're going to vote me to help your scumbud, feel free to do so now

But what context is there? You said that McMeno was town because of his reaction.
That means that his reaction

HAS

to be in his ISO, correct? I quoted all 4 posts, and questioned which reaction you thought was town, and you give a bullshit answer that I can't look through his ISO to find it?

And because I called you out on this, me and Gamma are now scum buds? And I am trying to save his lynch?
I struggle to see you flipping town with that mind set, however, VI is pretty common.

[Vedith]

Anyway, at least I got a bit of discussion started, if this game goes any slower it'll start moving backwards.

Really not feeling this response. That's all you had to say to a somewhat serious vote? I thought you wanted to continue discussion?

I'm not taking that vote seriously. It looks like busywork to me.

[Vedith]

I'm out tonight I'll post when home.

[Vedith]

see - this is why drealmerz, even if he might be scum, doesn't deserve death today

What a shot post.

[Vedith]

@Kling - Snarky is always a lurker. Unless you have a policy of lynching lurkers your vote is bad, and even if it is a PL it's bad.
View on Mcnugget?
I think the opportunist on Gamma is real though.

[Vedith]

Why Vedith?

Because he's showing that he's not scum hunting and doesn't care about aligns. He knows by now that deals posts can be posted by either align and is showing no interest in looking at others for being scum or why.

[Vedith]

So, what are the options?
NL or wagon?

Btw PUPPER reminds me of someone who was posting only "Bananas" the whole game. Turned out scum in the end and town lost.
So yeah, I don't trust PUPPER.

NO isn't an option.

[Vedith]

Does McMenno usually not post a lot of useful stuff?

I don't feel him as town at all.

[Vedith]

stop trying to lynch the mod alt? it's stupid

McLyncher?
Using that reverse phycology...

[Vedith]

VOTE: McMeno

[Vedith]

Any thoughts on McMenno? I don't think I've seen him play before (IIRC I'd skimmed a game of his a while ago, I think it was that micro with Zyf, but I don't remember much about it); anyone familiar with his meta? That hop onto Gamma seemed pretty empty for a vote that turned him into much more of a solid contender for being lynched today.

I feel that I read McMeno well enough to be convinced he's scum here.
Best thing to do is look at his last 3 town and last 3 scum/3rd party.

As it stands, the 2 main focus has been Pepper, who if mod controlled won't give a shit and Gamma... Why do you expect him to not react the way he was.
The reasoning is bad anyway.

Sadly I agree that Hiraki is just VI and not scum.
Jaack, we can work on him later, he becomes pretty obvious town imo.
Coug is most likely flipping scum alllllllllllllllllllll day. That slight town read on me is dreadful, I go from joking in the game to debating with Hiraki. I don't think Coug has enough experience with me there to not see that as more scummy than not. Seems to be voting anywhere that doesn't seem too threatning.
Votes Dreal first, quickly jumps off, seems to not want to confrontation. Votes Gamma, which is an easier pick as Gamma has a lot of focus there.Has their eye on McScumbag, because yeah, that means a lot.
Makes no effort into sorting Gamma, or scum hunting.

As it stands - Coug or McMeno to be lynched, probably both scum.

Kling and Alpaca I want to see more of.
I don't like how Alpaca has these disappearing acts in games, lets hope it doesn't happen too often in this one.

[Vedith]

ill be honest - mcmenno has jumped up my list a little bit but for the fact that gamma is still alive means that i can't go for mcmenno atm

feel free to call me a lyncher, im just catching scum bros

Take your head out of your arse.

[Vedith]

Personally, I have no trouble with this. I don't believe a lyncher win means town loses.
And that's if you're a lyncher.

You're okay if he's the lyncher?
No Kuroi... Do something worth while.

[Vedith]

@Von - Are prods 24 or 48?

You might as well start looking for a Snarky replacement now, she never posts content.

[Vedith]

you have not convinced one person with your arguments but I have done so

am I really the one with my head in my ass?

Yes, you really are.
You are refusing to look/deal with others. You really are VI, aren't you?

[Vedith]

I have the second most posts this game. I've spent a lot of time in this game.
I feel like I've been doing something worth while.
You just disagree with me. I'm more worried about catching scum than worried if a win condition that has nothing to do with me and doesn't affect me is fulfilled or not.
And again, I don't know he's a lyncher.

Why does it even matter then?
You don't care if he's a lyncher or not just tells me you don't care what Gamma's alignment is.
You're not even voting Gamma and you don't care if his tunnel could be on town from his win condition...

[Vedith]

i've looked at every player but if you continue to insult me, i'm honestly ready to leave

you're the ONLY one accusing me of this and you just happen to be a scumread of mine

It's not actually an insult, you can't tell me that I'm the first person to refer to you as a VI...
So people that you scum read can't have a negative comment against you? Are you even listening to yourself?
You are playing so badly, you are saying "Yeah he can be scum, but I can't lose face and take my Gamma vote off". That's why your head is up your arse, I'm actually looking at each individual, unlike you.

[Vedith]

Nice try at a meta defense. You've played almost a year and a half and you should know that experienced players are able to manipulate their meta by now.

You missed my entire point. I'm saying there was no reason to town read me there.

I think voting Gamma and leaving my vote there for this long means I have him sorted, don't you think? I know you don't like my motive for voting him, but that's a different story altogether.

Also, I have school and responsibilities. I am consciously trying to figure this game out, and I don't expect to solve the game overnight.

You're not showing that you want to either...

[Vedith]

There's nothing wrong with stating your opinion - there's something wrong with making posts that have no point and are clearly trying to just get the other person agitated.

You can't put the blame on me if you're a sensitive bunny.
Telling someone they are playing really bad should be seen as constructive criticism, but yet you are using this as your reason to ignore what I am actually saying about you.

We even agree on McMeno, to a level, and yet you have no intention of working together to solve it.
So this is why you are playing bad!

[Vedith]

I'm literally dealing with the incarnation of Donald Trump's persona on Twitter.

Mod: Sorry, I really

really

hate to do this but I have no will to play with this prick. If you don't think his actions are enough for at least a warning, please replace me.

For everyone else in the game, if you agree with me in some sense about his behavior - not even regarding lynching Vedith - please say something.

To Vedith, I hope you change for your own sake.

I mean, I'm not looking to build a wall.
You can't get a warning for pointing out how shit a play is... Where are you even... The difference on us, I'm insulting your play, you're insulting me.

[Vedith]

is insulting, and shouldn't be part of the game (though admittedly I sometimes screw up along those lines myself). I'd say that your engagement with Hiraki has been more insulting than actual constructive criticism, and it's reasonable for him to be upset (though probably thin-skinned, since I've seen plenty worse than this in games).

VI is a common term used in Mafia.
That is not an insult imo. I'm called it a lot and I just accept it.

I apologize to Vedith for those comments. They were not appropriate.

I wasn't looking for an apology.
However, I do get over aggressive sometimes and yeah I did antagonise the situation more than needed. I'll stop with it.
Sorry Hiraki and Von.

Now moving on. I really still don't care that you think me and Gamma are scum together, I'll work on proven that later on, but I really would like you (and others) to look at Coug and McMeno.
Memeno wouldn't vote Gamma there if a scum team, but Coug trying to distance themselves to McMeno...

[Vedith]

Vedith is a troll but I can handle him.

Well, this is false on both accounts.
Just because you don't play how I do doesn't mean it's trolling.

OK. So there was no reason to townread you there. Now supply me with some other reasons to townread you.

I'm more interested in catching you slip up as scum or seeing others as scum than to prove I'm town.

Don't you just love unrealistic expectations?

I guess.

As it currently stands, Hiraki is my top town read, with KuroiXHF in second place. I'd fight against a drealmerz lynch, too, and I have a better reason to consider you misguided than scum. So that's four people I can believe are town. PUPPER I want to reserve judgment on until he's investigated, but I wish he'd be more active. If somebody were to put a gun to my head and demand I decide whether PUPPER's town or scum, I'd say scum for that reason, but Gamma Emerald and McMenno are the two people I'd lynch today.

Gamma is too much of an easy lynch at this stage.
The only resistance seems to be from me. Unless scum are just so badly lurking and we hit a jackpot with el obviousé, I don't see Gamma flipping scum.
But sure, we can discuss over the option. Although it's not directly against the Gamma lynch, if Gamma was scum, Kling currently keeping off the radar, or appearing to be, with weak comments like Pupper's vote (sitting on the fence question) or just voting Snarky for lurking (iron knee) when Snarky lurks as either align...
The posts are there, but if you look at it, there's nothing.

So, I wouldn't expect scum McScummybagsack to vote Gamma this early on a bus. I just don't see it at all. Which means, to me they are not scum buddies even if 1 of them are. McScummysackofbags would have been an easier push for Gamma right now, and even if both scum, a good push for him. McMeno has given nothing to the game and just proceeds to do nothing. Why would Gamma put him as town? From a scum Gammer/Town McMeno or Scum Gammer / Scum McMeno situation, what does he gain there to put him as town?
1st instance if both scum, McMeno is day 2 lynched
if only Gamma scum, he's being lynched instead of McMeno.

Doesn't add up.

And I'm tired, so going to bed.

[Vedith]

Greetings all!
I bet you never saw me coming!

ARI! ARI! ARI!

[Vedith]

Yeah she's not done anything as usual.
Coug looks to be avoiding harder confrontations, but that's only my opinion by the looks of it.
Haraki looks pretty much town
McScummylordscumbagscumsack looks scum
Gamma feels town to me but a lot have him as scum (and me as his buddy)
Drone - No idea
Pupper is just a waste space as it stands
Jaack seems pretty quiet right now, not sure what to think
Kuroi is Kuroi
Dreal looks town, but that's also for reason that I can't discuss
Alpaca is probably scum here - Haven't decided
msh no idea

Pupper keeps posting shit like bark etc
Haraki has me and gamma as scum
Coug has Gamma and McMenno
I have Coug and McMeno

It's pretty much a shit fest.

[Vedith]

Because grammar is my strong point... :<
I not done so good at skool with grammar

[Vedith]

...the fuck is that supposed to mean?

I have no idea how to read you.

[Vedith]

Also, noted how he leaves both Gamma and Mcmenno as possible pushing candidates.

Should they not be then?

[Vedith]

Having 2 safe wagons to join and maybe eventually hammer without being questioned much is an interest of scum.

I'm pointing this out to get an answer from Jaack (note that I'm not voting him), and to make sure we won't overlook this, who knows when we'll be needing this information? Better have it stated loud and clear, no?

Information is power, so sure it's all good to have.
I'm just making sure that were are on the same wave lentgh of priorities.

[Vedith]

I hate your new picture McMeno.

[Vedith]

love the new pic mcmenno!

Why?

[Vedith]

oh yes, let's focus on analyzing and feedbacking everyone's avatar's instead of playing mafia...that's not a distraction...

I mean, you involved yourself to mention over it.
Why do you feel that it's a distrction when I question your post?

[Vedith]

the meat of my post and game-stuff is in the rest of the post

you ask me about the sidenote of non-game stuff that is a distraction, after having already made a single post yourself simply giving your perspective on the avatar - we know your pov, we know mine - why the back and forth???!!! seems distracting and the more you go on, the scummier you seem

So you involved yourself into out of game stuff. Yet people cannot question it?
Do you not see what I'm saying here? If you post

anything

in a game, I have the choice to question it.
I asked why as you could have been trying to buddy up to him... Not probably but it has relevence to the game.

Also the "If you carry this on you look scummy" part will not stop me carrying it on.

I ask again, why do you like it?

[Vedith]

Scummy Mcscumbag!

[Vedith]

Intent to intent.

[Vedith]

VOTE: McScumbag

Lets not get side tracked here!

[Vedith]

Hiraki, you or McNugget needs lynching today.
I know that McNuggest is 3rd party, and I have high reason to believe that you are scum.

[Vedith]

Only voting McMeno or Hariki today because wither are going to flip naughty naughty.
McMeno is Cult, calling it and Hariki scum, calling it.

[Vedith]

VOTE: aristophanes

Dreal putting in over time...

[Vedith]

Haraki needs to be lynched before another mis lynch.
@Hiraki, you should be thinking the same.
Although Coug is most likely scum, it's not 100%.

McNuggetballs is cult and Hiraki has a good chance of flipping scum.

[Vedith]

Evidence to support this?

Bastard game, but from actions made last night - McDoogle was reported as a cult to me.
Cult recruit, a mis lynch and night kill could lead to town at a major disadvantage.

Hiraki also did something to me last night, I'm still unsure why because I was town reading him. So he makes me think naughty scum now!

[Vedith]

Lets go Lets go!

[Vedith]

i didn't do that - i thought you did it

maybe you shouldn't assume things so quickly, someone else did this to us

Assume is my middle name.

[Vedith]

[Vedith]

Don't check me, I want to win!

[Vedith]

I was wrong, he's probably still town.

[Vedith]

if yall haven't noticed, im not voting vedith because he's an amazing player

Stop it, you'll make me blush!

[Vedith]

so it's a bastard game... yet you trust your result?

That's right MeMeno, beg!

[Vedith]

I checked Hiraki and it said Cult...
So... VOTE: McMeno

[Vedith]

Shut up Jaack we're lynching Mcscumbag

[Vedith]

It's bastard I'm not scum numb nuts but there is proven cult and I'm getting cult results.

Also @Hiraki - I think dead did that btw.

I doubt there's any other BG. Let's just hope Jaack didn't turn cult and trying to help mc nugget.
Though I doubt Jaack is dumb enough to pull that card now.

[Vedith]

Puppers still alive

[Vedith]

Of course it does Jaack. Stop being noob!

[Vedith]

Shut up Gamma no one cares about you.

[Vedith]

Drone is good.
So Gamma and Jaack scum team confirmed.

[Vedith]

Look at Gamma protecting Jaack.

[Vedith]

When it comes to Gamma, you take note!

[Vedith]

As it stands - Coug or McMeno to be lynched, probably both scum.

I think i was spot on with them together.
Night 1 kill is either delayed or just a troll comment from mod to trick.

[Vedith]

Bye

[Vedith]

do i need to kill myself to win the game? you have to be paranoid or something

I'm just saying what I got.
Wouldn't be the 1st time that Von screwed me over with a bastard role. :<

[Vedith]

wouldn't it connect anyway? like i'm telling you - if i'm cult, I have no reason to lie since I can't win at this point and i'd rather help town (i swear but again, i'm not cult)

I know, but McMeno is still cult.

[Vedith]

Depends what they can do to start with...
But it's a bastard game so probably not a lot.

I've seen games where only they can recruit though.

[Vedith]

weekend

[Vedith]

So we aren't lynching Vedith now?

I'm not sure about this...

UNVOTE:

Fuck you Kling, I was never an option! :<

[Vedith]

McMeno needs to be the lynch.
9 players left we a plausible 2 cult that may or may not be able to recruit. If we lynch else where we could be facing 3 cult in 7 players left alive.

Think about it.

[Vedith]

Why vote for him, go on, tell me.

[Vedith]

McMeno isn't lynch proof. Being a BG in bastard just means protecting any deaths of any kind most likely.
Don't be stupid.

[Vedith]

Fuck me there's actually no other town in this game.

Day kill Jaack

[Vedith]

Both aren't town doesn't matter which order.
At this stage it feels like only I'm town anyway.

[Vedith]

How the fuck are you ever flipping town in this game?

[Vedith]

What was it that he did, Vedith?

Let me point to the doll for a second.

Also, I don't think Hiraki will flip cult. If anyone else is town in this game it really probably is him.

We know that McMeno is not town, and he's not a survivor other wise he wouldn't be playing like that.

This wouldn't be the 1st time Von has given me a dodgy cop role.

[Vedith]

10/10 Kling

[Vedith]

I'll pass. Thanks for the offer though!

Why do you consider him confscum again?I still don't get it.

1. My results highly suggest he is.
2. There's no reason for town with the info he is claiming to be pushing McMenno exclusively over Hiraki.

So your result confirms me scum but my results don't matter to you... That makes no sense.
What we are 100% sure is that McMeno is not town.

[Vedith]

But terying to lynch McMenno is ANTI-town.

You don't know that.
The fact Pupper died as second BG, highly suggests that there are no other BG's.
This is bastard, a BG in bastard 9/10 will not be a BG.

[Vedith]

PUPPER sniffed you out, like a well-trained scum-sniffing dog

This is true.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Yeah, mod account is going to give up scum that easily...

[Vedith]

Can we just lynch McMeno now?

[Vedith]

The problem here is I feel there's very little town left in the game, lynching Gamma and him flipping town seems more of a risk than lynching McMeno

[Vedith]

It does if you're town.

[Vedith]

I'm looking at the game, and the fact you only want to kill Gamma without any ifnormation on him while we know that McMeno is not town, makes me believe that you are a lyncher.

[Vedith]

Survivor is anti town.
Their wincon involves lynching town as their wish.
McMeno is a scumbag and will lynch town over scum any day.

[Vedith]

you don't know that at all

Yes I do.

[Vedith]

you don't know that at all

Yes I do.

:intrigued:

I know that McMeno is a scumbag!

[Vedith]

If there were more BG's then Pupper wouldn't have been the death yesterday. It's simple facts.

[Vedith]

What did you work out?

[Vedith]

I was getting a screenshot of it, sorry!

[Vedith]

I mean, I fell off my chair first! :p
However, I like your thinking. It's stretched but I like those ideas.
More on McScum

[Vedith]

vedith, your result on mcmenno - jester - actual alignment? survivor - opposite results established

now, get your head straight

I got cult, not jester.

[Vedith]

I'm okay with lynching Dreal as well for the record.

[Vedith]

@Jaack - We both check Kling?

[Vedith]

because you are scum and don't know it and this is a bastard game

Can we lynch this?

[Vedith]

Weekend stuff, tomorrow.

[Vedith]

You need a slap inside the head! :<

[Vedith]

Why are you disliking the Drealm push?

I do like it though.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Dreal

It makes no sense that you would want yourself voted over McScumbag other than trying to bluff a jester role.

[Vedith]

No, it doesn't you cannoy be more sure that he is town than you are.

[Vedith]

I got cult

[Vedith]

Either I read everyone as cult or cult win this.

[Vedith]

The Cult Leader is dead, so there should be no new recruits. The question is how many were Cult at Night 2?

I thoguht anyone could recruit as a cult?
Personally I think cult is more of a stupid role than Jester.

And no, I did not shoot you... Even if I did, do you expect me to say yes? Think before you ask stuff, Kling.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Vedith

Le sigh.

[Vedith]

He also got Jester on McMeno then voted him.
He's also claiming to have been re directed last night (not sure how he knows?) which is convenient.

[Vedith]

Yup.
And I got a cult result, and he said that he was redirected.

[Vedith]

Are you sure you got your result from Klingon?

Well I wasn't told it was Kling, but I wasn't told it wasn't either.
Kling also said that a shot was informed, which would mean that Jaack is lying. He even responds saying that it's because his role is considered a Vig (meaning he wasn't redirected).

[Vedith]

I got McMeno, Hiraki and Kling (?) as cult.
They are the people I targeted and each response is something like, "your target" rather than "McMeno"

[Vedith]

Yeah I already gathered that.

[Vedith]

I think 1 bastard game I was in a few months ago had 2 in the start?
Maybe Grand idea Mafia or something along those lines, I was a jester so I didn't care but it was SirCakes as mod, I'll look later.

[Vedith]

Idea games count for jack shit as the roles are RNG.

You can say the same about bastard games.
Bastard games have very little balance to it and can have pretty much any outcome.

[Vedith]

How many bastard games do you see with all town masons?

[Vedith]

Replace me