Open 657: JK9++ (Game over)

[Creature]

Okay then, but we must decide on a lynch.

[Creature]

Personality quotes time!

lane0168:

"Are you always like this when you're scum? What is your motivation now? Why would town do this? Does that mean you're not town? Why are you scum? Town's delete key never gets stuck."

Klingoncelt:

"The whole scumteam slipped on page 1. It's the new meta. Sheep me because my reads are so accurate that whoever I name gets mod-converted to scum."

Tiger Moth:

"You winked. Vote: you"

Gamma Emerald:

"HOLY SHIT THIS IS THE SCUM CAN'T YOU GUYS SEE IT?!?!"

Fountain of Dreams:

"Town. Town. Town. Town. Town. Scum. Town. Town. Scum. Maybe scum. Lynch this, game over, don't ask why."

TwiszTed:

"I have a lynch boner for you, too."

alban:

"I ISO everybody in every game of theirs, print their posts and run them through an heuristic algorithm to compute their online schedule. I just like to know who I'm playing with."

Charloux:

"Did you just call me a pokemon? I WILL MURDER YOU FOR THAT."

Kop:

"See what you did on page 2? You're scum for it. RVS is the whole game."

Creature:

"Are you POSITIVE this is the scum? What if this isn't the scum?"

Secret Agent Jin:

"Oh my god I'm so sorry I thought you were scummy, I've literally no idea how I came up with that. Please forgive me!"

bangthemafia:

"Care to elaborate? Give reasons? I agree BUT PLEASE GIVE REASONS?!"

Spade_Ace:

"Either you're town with a scumread, or you're scum and you're going to murder him, her, and him in the next 3 nights, then claim you're town because he died and he is scum because she died, but you can't be scum because he also died. And you're going to earn huge townie points in that case because you lurked his wagon out but responded 1h later to make it look like you were offline. WHAT I AM JUST SAYING THERE ARE TWO POSSIBILITIES HERE."

Is this townier to scummier?

[TwiszTed]

Okay then, but we must decide on a lynch.

Jin or Ace, preferably.

Oh, and hi all. I'm baaaaaaack.

[Creature]

Guess your scumread on Tiger moth and me died.

[TwiszTed]

Guess your scumread on Tiger moth and me died.

Why would you make such a silly assumption?

[TwiszTed]

I need coffee, actually.

[lane0168]

Please don't answer instead of Gamma. I'm trying to get him to talk.

I'm not answering. You said either him or you are going to out a softclaim that seems to have gone unnoticed. I'm asking you if you think that's a good idea and why? I'm not answering whether you or gamma should be the one to do it

[MiniDeathStar]

Is this townier to scummier?

No, this is literally the list order on the first page. I was just messing around with people.

I'm not answering. You said either him or you are going to out a softclaim that seems to have gone unnoticed. I'm asking you if you think that's a good idea and why? I'm not answering whether you or gamma should be the one to do it

The theory (Gamma's theory) is that outing softclaims helps town because scum are actively hunting for them and have likely seen them already.

I actually kind of agree with it, but I wanted to remind Gamma of his own standard of townplay and maybe nudge him to reread carefully.

Oh, and hi all. I'm baaaaaaack.

Omg welcome back!! ♥

[lane0168]

But it doesn't say anything about searching for softclaims. All you've done now is notify scum that you think you've found a softclaim and for them to go search for it. I didn't notice any softclaims. It's there a difference between softclaims that go unnoticed and crumbs?

[MiniDeathStar]

Well first of all, scum aren't the only people who should be searching for softclaims. Doctors, watchers, etc need to do that too.

Second of all, I wasn't even looking for it but I noticed it anyway. I think there's a good chance scum has, too, and they are going to share it in their scum topic. Why shouldn't town know something scum knows?

And yes, there is a difference between softclaims and breadcrumbs. Softclaiming is like implying your role indirectly or hinting at it ("who should cop check tonight?"). Breadcrumbing is basically cryptography ("

I

c

an tell that from those

3

pe

o

ple on the wagon,

one

p

robably is scum" spells out cop).

[Creature]

What is a votecount?

[Kop]

Well first of all, scum aren't the only people who should be searching for softclaims. Doctors, watchers, etc need to do that too.

Second of all, I wasn't even looking for it but I noticed it anyway. I think there's a good chance scum has, too, and they are going to share it in their scum topic. Why shouldn't town know something scum knows?

And yes, there is a difference between softclaims and breadcrumbs. Softclaiming is like implying your role indirectly or hinting at it ("who should cop check tonight?"). Breadcrumbing is basically cryptography ("

I

c

an tell that from those

3

pe

o

ple on the wagon,

one

p

robably is scum" spells out cop).

Yes I can agree with what you are saying, but I also didn't see any crumb or softclaim, not everybody would see a crumb or a softclaim, bringing it out into the open so that every tom dick and harry now is aware of a softclaim or crumb and will go hunting for it.

There is zero need to bring things that may have been hidden in a message out into the open.

[Kop]

It has been put either purposely for something to refer back too later in the game, not to be drawn attention too unneedlessly.

[Kop]

No in fact, I think I know what post your on about.

[Kop]

If it's the one I think your on about, then well, everybody should have seen it.

[Kop]

But my point about the softclaiming should be left unsaid until it's brought up by the person softclaiming.

[Kop]

I need coffee, actually.

Mine is 2 sugars with milk, if your making.

[Kop]

Okay then, but we must decide on a lynch.

Who would you like to lynch at this point?

[Gamma Emerald]

Spade scummy based on Alban's story change

Spade is scummy based on your scumread calling them scum?

Wat?

Look at what Klingon has been saying

[Gamma Emerald]

My scumreads are by strength:
Creature
Alban
Charloux
Reads based on these:
Twist is lock town due to Creature's push
Spade scummy based on Alban's story change
Lane possible Charloux buddy
Independent town reads (for now):
Klingon: like some of his logic
SAJ: that consideration of replacing out due to a game slip seems towny, in response to TT it does not seem strategic, because only tiger moth was pressuring him at that point.

Fixed this

Spade had already explained it long back, Gamma.

The apparent change in my posts was only because I was not sure whether Spade (and Bang) would be okay in me divulging any information regarding knowing them. They are new to the forum, so I left it to their discretion whether they want to divulge that info. Once Spade introduced himself, it was clear that he is fine with it.

About the change in my posts pre- and post Spade's disclosure: I did not change my version. What I did was I didn't tell the complete truth about knowing him from before. Moreover, knowing him doesn't mean that I was keeping frequent tabs on his activity on the site. I did it twice - once when I saw his profile in the Central park signups thread, and then the next time after receiving Rando's message about gamestart. I clicked on everyone's profiles, and that's when I realised he is still without an avatar. Once the game started, there was no way of telling him without violating game rules, so I messaged him in the game thread. I am surprised you think that scum!me will slip in such an amateurish matter. Even if he was scum and I was his partner and I had to urgently contact him, why will I talk to him about a non-issue like having an avatar? It's the most ridiculous theory anyone could come up with. Last game it was saying 'RVS' and now this.

That fixes things. Spade is leantown now.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey Gamma.

3) If you catch softing and no one else seems to have, TELL THE TOWN. Scum will likely find it anyway.

Would you do us the honours or should I?

If it's made in a way that stands out (bold text, writing patterns), yes. Any "obvious" softing needs to be shared.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not answering. You said either him or you are going to out a softclaim that seems to have gone unnoticed. I'm asking you if you think that's a good idea and why? I'm not answering whether you or gamma should be the one to do it

The theory (Gamma's theory) is that outing softclaims helps town because scum are actively hunting for them and have likely seen them already.

I actually kind of agree with it, but I wanted to remind Gamma of his own standard of townplay and maybe nudge him to reread carefully.

I wrote that because someone had posted a soft in bold and a townie didn't state that and the PR got lynched.
If it's not super-obvious don't say it.

[Gamma Emerald]

But it doesn't say anything about searching for softclaims. All you've done now is notify scum that you think you've found a softclaim and for them to go search for it. I didn't notice any softclaims. It's there a difference between softclaims that go unnoticed and crumbs?

Huh.
Crumbing actually describes it better.
Thanks lane!

[TwiszTed]

Spade scummy based on Alban's story change

Spade is scummy based on your scumread calling them scum?

Wat?

Look at what Klingon has been saying

You didn't quote KC, you scumread Spade based on a story change from another scumread.

That's disingenuous. Alan's words are not indicative of Spade's role... certainly not without a flip.

[TwiszTed]

Spade scummy based on Alban's story change

Spade is scummy based on your scumread calling them scum?

Wat?

Look at what Klingon has been saying

You didn't quote KC, you scumread Spade based on a story change from another scumread.

That's disingenuous. Alban's words are not indicative of Spade's role... certainly not without a flip.

EBWOP