NY 198: Nexus is Now a New Normal Mafia (Game Over)

[JarJarDrinks]

Zulfy plz don't act super scummy

Don't like this. First off, what if Zulfy is scum? Second, Zulfys post(17) wasn't scummy

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Zulfy plz don't act super scummy

Too late

this too since it's sheeping a bad post.

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great, so this game is full of bad players

everyone sheep me on aeronaut, it's the optimal strategy, thanks

this pings.

Also a few pages in and I'm liking 2face for town now. His combative attitude matches his townplay in the game we recently finished together.

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4 pages in and every RB posts pings me.

Strong townread on KTS. townread on Zulf.

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this too since it's sheeping a bad post.

it's not sheeping a bad post actually. It's letting him know that his warning was too late because the person he was warning had already acted scummy

His "warning" wasn't a warning. It was an implication that Zulfys previous post was scummy. Therefore you saying that you also thought it was scummy was a sheep. And since I don't think that his post was scummy, it was sheeping a bad post.

Strong townread on KTS

Only 6 pages in so maybe my read will change but all I've seen are pro-town posts thus far.

[JarJarDrinks]

kraska's entire scumgame is just to act cutesy so that all the men in the game don't wanna lynch her becoz it hurts their chances of having teh sexes chat with her, ergo she's scum now because lOl bIG wrItinG im So QUiRkYYyYy DOnt hurt ME guyZZZ

can't tell if joking or blatantly sexist.

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sadly gamma is probably town and i'll have to listen to this all game

What gave u this read?

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p-edit: @kraska is this the part where u tell every1 to be nice because it makes people like u more so they dont lynch u? already burning all ur ammo so early, what are u gonna use to evade lynches day2?

Whats up with you? Why are you gettjng your panties in a bunch over nothing?

maybe cause he's faking it?

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isee - it looks like the mod put crack in some PMs, downers in others, and even stupid pills in some others - I'm all clean though, thankfully

I've got some ginger tea I can make if any of you like, too, not only will it help balance you but it might help with the gas, because, phewwwww, there's a lot of wind kicking around and it stinks pretty badly in here

I'm doing this:

VOTE: Killthestory

for things like:

tbh transcend is somewhat on my kill list because their content isnt impressing at this point.

(I like his content a whole lot more than yours - a lot a lot.)

and:

I feel like genuinely trying to play to win and not doing my normal dumb shit, so like, don't distract me with your dumb shit. First off, rb is scum with TwoFace.

followed by lots of what I see as just that (as pointed out by TwoFace)

there's a whole pile of stinky to pick from of his

he's definitely a good place to start clearing the air

Such a bad post. Not just for going after my townread for seemingly no reason. But all that stupid fluff @ the beginning as if 90% of mafia games aren't exactly like this.

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@Drealm:

What do you like about Transcend's content? Are you reads similar to his?

GREAT question. Trans had barely any posts @ that point.

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I wouldn't say I necessarily LIKE it, I just like it a lot better than Killthestory's

I commented as such to point out to Kts and the rest that such a post was ironic, at least in m view

definitely not a "oooh I like transcend's posts" comment by any stretch

but, to answer the question "What do you like about Transcend's content? Are your reads similar to his?" apart from any of that ^

...

not much in the way of content-mattering - I like that it is non-abrasive and to the point, I like that I can see his reads easily enough, I like that he's not playing like some other players in this game (I'm feeling a lot of "quickslaps" going around - mehh, to that) - my reads aren't similar to his at all

I really only have 1 read as of yet anyway, and my vote is there

I'd like more players to say more before the thread gets overrun by madness

"I KNOW EVERYTHING NOWWWWW DARRRRR!!!"

terrible

[JarJarDrinks]

drealmerz's vote on kts was scummy as fuck

Word.

VOTE: drealmerz7

Fuck yes


Trans is gonna be so excited if I townread him this game

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Quick skim of VCs shows an early big wagon on Aeronaut? That definitely deserves a look

this coupled with his join date is scum he cant really believe this shit

yeah this is a solid point

[JarJarDrinks]

kts is a mislynch you stupid fucks

and this time since he's getting lynchbaited as really obvious town and i'm actually town i'm gonna actually stop the lynch on him

<3

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great, so this game is full of bad players

Holy sweet Christ, this thread is a hot mess. Quoted is practically the only thing that's been said so far that has been informative and worth the time it took to read it. Including my earlier post - I skimmed playerlist, checked votecounts in mod ISO, and then didn't take the level of insane in this playerlist seriously. If I'd read even the first two dozen posts, there's nothing doing with the Aeronaut quickwagon. My mistake.

Unvote
Vote: KTS

I absolutely despise this playstyle. I'm sorry, but being a bullying asshole is not a valid way to play a social game. You've got bullshit coming out of your ears, dude, and haven't done -any- valid scumhunting or investigation. No.

Wow, how do you make this statement and quote RB as if he's not 1000x worse. Why does KTS's playstyle make him scum?

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Right now the only partial read I have is of you, rb, because you're the only one actually explaining yourself. I've got a really weak Townread on you, but that's really mostly that you're the only one making sense and trying to do real analysis.

OMFG

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shadow he plays like this as either alignment

also if you thought kts might have been living up to his scum meta, how come you didn't jump on the forming bandwagon on him?

VOTE: Shadow_step

A decent point but that was shadows first real post. I liked ur vote where it was.

[JarJarDrinks]

scumpile

: kraskanumbers, twoface, shadow_step, aero, drealmerz7

eh

: pine (too emotional but could be town driven), zach, gamma (lean town but not enough to put in a townpile), LUV

u haven't posted yet

: jarjarjarjarjarjarjarjarjarjarjar

townpile

: kts (for now), dave, zulfy

if he's scum i lost

: rb

i have an enormous scumpile and too many eh's and need to work on it lol

stop townreading RB so hard please. Other townreads are good.

disagree on kraska and 2face

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^ I've legit never seen a policy lynch either and I actually think they're good. lurkers stop lurking when they see town is srs bznz about lynching their asses

I'd support a lurker lynch. People on this site don't do em often enough.

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TwoFace: who's scum and who's town. Top2 of each.

Couldn't tell ya. Don't have any reads yet. It's way too early.

well this post is pretty scummy.

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Last few pages have made me feel slightly better about RB. He's still a slight scumread but not my preferred lynch for today.

That'd go to VOTE: Pine

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the truth is scummy? please explain that.

Gonna reread our mason game but I don't recall you not having early reads there.

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did a quick read and I guess you didn't really give out many early reads there. Gonna continue to townread u for now.

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TwoFace (2):

Zulfy, Killthestory

I townread u both and I think 2face probably a mislynch. Any interest in Pine or Dreamerz?

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I can't yet

People who play like this look scummy no matter what they do, because I normally associate overconfident reads with the informed minority, i.e.

scum

.

But when you've got half the thread making ironclad reads and bold statements three pages in, that's just stupid play. I don't interpret that well. It's going to take some time, and necessitates thinning the herd

Right now the only partial read I have is of you, rb, because you're the only one actually explaining yourself. I've got a

really

weak

Townread

on you

, but that's really mostly that you're the only one making sense and trying to do real analysis. That's easy to fake when you've been given this kind of fodder though, so meh

Spoiler:

more zulfy votes please

more zulfy votes please, this is optimal town strategy. play optimal town strategy with me. ta

vote zulfy thanks

just gonna prod-dodge until obvscum zulfy is dead tbh

when u guys are ready to sheep me let me know

vote zulfy with me already my god

any questions?

[JarJarDrinks]

KTS was bullying and abusing people who disagreed.

Please point out specific examples.

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jarjar, you sound like you're trolling

Nope. I'd very much like him to point out the specific posts that led him to vote for KTS. Just a blanket "He's scum cuz he's overconfident in his reads" is a garbage reason.

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Zulfy plz don't act super scummy

Don't like this. First off, what if Zulfy is scum? Second, Zulfys post(17) wasn't scummy

another game dude

I got that you were implying that Zulfy acts scummy as town. But I thought that you were also implying that he was following that same pattern this game and you considered his previous posts scummy. Are you saying that you didn't think his previous posts were AI?


Also that doesn't address my first point. Seems weird to tell someone not to act scummy when you shouldn't know what their alignment is.

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@gamma

Yes Zulfy acts weird. That's also my experience w/ him.

What do you think of him this game so far?

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What have I done for you to assess me as a weird player?

acted weird

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In what way did I act weird in the game(s) we played together

Do I really need to explain this? Like you have to be aware that your playstyle is pretty out there compared to the average mafia player right?

How about I just point out wierd stuff u post in this game when I see it?

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that didn't take long. Pretty much all ur posts on page 14 are weird.

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Dang, you caught me

Dang you caught us

Actually no, this.

This is one guy mimicking another guy.
There's no need to mimic unless you don't know how you should be acting.
The only reason you wouldn't know how you should be acting is if you're scum.

This is much better.

Plus also I don't wanna look at that avi for 2 months so
VOTE: TwoFace

Pedit: Same hello

@TF: this is his third post.
VOTE: TwoFace

Are you saying here that 2face saying that post was scummy is a reason to scumread him?

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@TF: this is his third post.

I know what his 3rd post was. it was a terrible post.

Like why not argue with him or something gamma? Or push him further? You just drop your vote and he takes issue w/ ur reasoning and you just leave it @ that.

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shadow he plays like this as either alignment

also if you thought kts might have been living up to his scum meta, how come you didn't jump on the forming bandwagon on him?

VOTE: Shadow_step

This looks OK
VOTE: Shadow Step

How do you feel about shadow_step 's response?

shadow he plays like this as either alignment

also if you thought kts might have been living up to his scum meta, how come you didn't jump on the forming bandwagon on him?

VOTE: Shadow_step

Which is why I asked Dav why he thought kts was town based on a "recent game", if his town and scum games were so radically different it would be too easy which generally isn't the case.

Not impressed.
I want Shadow to come out and play.

Why specifically Shadow as opposed to Aero, Dave, or Zach? This feels like a copout reason because you can't explain why you followed Transcend's train of thought

Agree

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zulfy is playing like i'd expect a town zulfy to play just by knowing him off site.

@transcend srry dont trust rb to be town my gut says no. my brain says yes.

hey lets lynch a lurker today or someone we just dont want.

VOTE: gamma
good placeholder.

I could do gamma

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VOTE: TwoFace

Shadow can be vigged

Lynch this.

naw, theres alot better people to lynch than 2face

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Scum are a part of the group that are townreading Zulfy right now, not sure which ones though.

There's something very scummy about this statement that I'm not sure I can explain. It just doesn't feel like something RB should be saying about his top scumread.

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There's not really anything wrong with TF or Pine's early game play.

They lack conclusions and conviction, but anyone who thinks that's the only things that benefit town in the early game is simply wrong. A good early game often comprises mostly of questioning and simply interacting and getting interactions out of people.

How is pine doing any of those things?

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Also everyone needs to give me their read on Transcend asap - he shitposts and fucks around too much to be easily readable. Vig shot here if he doesn't change.

town

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Everyone share their read on Kraska pls - just say scum or town.

I say scum.

town

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There's not really anything wrong with TF or Pine's early game play.

They lack conclusions and conviction, but anyone who thinks that's the only things that benefit town in the early game is simply wrong. A good early game often comprises mostly of questioning and simply interacting and getting interactions out of people.

How is pine doing any of those things?

Oh I guess he's not...

Or are you 'thoroughly null' on kraska too?

Anyone you're not thoroughly null on?

Because if your game is to work by questioning and slowly build reads - fine. But that would entail pressuring and questioning slots and trying to catch them out doing stuff - instead you're engaging in mostly general commentary and not interacting in ways that put you or anyone else under pressure. Why is this?

You made a vote to 'pressure' davesaz, so you obviously understand the point of pressuring - yet you barely apply pressure on anyone? Why?

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Everyone share their read on Kraska pls - just say scum or town.

I say scum.

town

explain?

One of 2 reasons:

- RB is scum and they sure as heck aint buddies
- I'm confbiased based on my RB read

I'll recheck kraskas ISO after my catchup and try to do read w/o the association

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Well, Transcend, I was going to let it go, but since you asked, let's start here. You set out to have a more relaxed and conservative game, then exploded. Then there's your allergy to capitalization, grammar, and punctuation. In the grown-up world, people who don't at least try to adhere to accepted standards are regarded as unsophisticated at the very best, but usually just childish and unprofessional. Then there's your absurd overconfident declaration about people being hard town reads and scumfucks...half a dozen pages in. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Also, adults don't overuse 'lol' like you do. I count 7 childish uses of 'lol' in 39 posts.

Spoiler:

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See the button in the bottom right corner labeled "Activity Overview"? It's just below the page numbers, just above subforum navigation. Pay attention to it. Fully a quarter of the game has fewer than ten posts. I'd be willing to bet hard currency that there's at least one scum within {Shadow_step, Zachstralkita, davesaz, Aeronaut}, maybe two. All because you and a few others can't shut your yap and read what others are doing.

This is such a convenient and lazy reason to scum read players.

Almost as convenient and lazy as his first reason to scumread players.

I normally associate overconfident reads with the informed minority, i.e. scum.

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Though like I said, I'm always for pressuring lurkers and would have no problem lynching from the low activity pool.

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@zach, Y U lurk so much this game?

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I'll recheck kraskas ISO after my catchup and try to do read w/o the association

OK if I'm wrong about my RB read then Kraska could be scum. But I really don't think I'm wrong.

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Ego post from your backup mod

Oh hey Rach. Long time.

Awesome. I wake up to more shitposting.

I'd rather be an "insufferable cunt" who's playing the game with logic and discernable methodology than being an insufferable cunt without them, so critics can bite me.

Okay, it's time for the game to actually start. There's enough info to get the ball rolling now.

Townpile (all of these are weak reads, no particular order): Transcend, Gamma, JarJar, maybe RB, maybe Zach

Scumpile: Dave, KTS, maybe TwoFace

I'll put together a cogent case on Dave when I get home. Phoneposting makes quoting difficult

Man I almost started to warm to pine based on his argumentative stubbornness. But now all of a sudden he's gonna fall in line and give us a reads list?

What happened to letting your reads "grow gradually" and going "slow and steady" and making sure you have "solid leads" before being able to make reads on people?

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rJar your scumread on me made me actually laugh irl, now vote kraska with me

cool story can u now answer me:

There's not really anything wrong with TF or Pine's early game play.

They lack conclusions and conviction, but anyone who thinks that's the only things that benefit town in the early game is simply wrong. A good early game often comprises mostly of questioning and simply interacting and getting interactions out of people.

How is pine doing any of those things?

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Catch up to the current gamestate please.

who's this referring to?

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Note that I'm posting a fuckton, but if you read my ISO you'll see that I pressured Pine about why he wasn't doing that.

And if you read my ISO, you'll see that I commented on the fact that you pressured him about why he wasn't doing something that you earlier said he was doing

You can also note that I never said Pine WAS saying of those things

GET THE FUCK OUT!!!

That's EXACTLY what you were doing with this post

Spoiler:

There's not really anything wrong with TF or Pine's early game play.

They lack conclusions and conviction, but anyone who thinks that's the only things that benefit town in the early game is simply wrong. A good early game often comprises mostly of questioning and simply interacting and getting interactions out of people.

People are being lambasted with accusations of being shit - that needs to stop from everyone. If something is scummy, fine. Don't just blanket someone as shit because it's not alignment related.

but I expected him to start and when he didn't - I asked him why and pressured him.

Why did you expect him to start? Is there some reason you thought he was town? If not then why defend him?


VOTE: RB Sorry Trans, I think ur wrong here

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VOTE: RB Sorry Trans, I think ur wrong here

PS: please don't fakeclaim mason w/ RB.

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I can actually see why you think Pine+Me are a scumteam JarJar but we aren't.

Where did I ever say anything like that?

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Imagine I'm town, you'll see kraska is skuM.

I already said I can easily see kraska as scum if ur town. But imagining u as town aint easy.

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That post is NOT me saying that Pine is doing that

Oh well since you say so it must be true. Wanna just tell me ur not scum also?

But ok, if it isn't you saying that pine is doing that then please tell me

why defend him?

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Even

JarJar thinks she's likely scum

, but votes me because he seems to wanna

put meanings behind my words that aren't there

instead.

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More proof that is exactly what RB was saying:

You can also note that I never said Pine WAS doing of those things, but

I expected him to start

...

NO NO NO. you were SPECIFICALLY pointing out how those players had played up until that point.

There's not really anything wrong with TF or Pine's

early game play

.

They lack conclusions and conviction, but anyone who thinks that's the only things that benefit town in the

early game

is simply wrong. A good

early game

often comprises mostly of questioning and simply interacting and getting interactions out of people.

You wouldn't have been referring to the "early game" if what you meant was that was something you expected those players to start doing later.

Furthermore, if that was something that they weren't doing in the early game why mention that their posts "lack conclusions and conviction"? Why did you expect them to eventually start questioning and interacting but you didn't expect them start concluding and convicting?

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Being town, this push from JarJar is fishy as fuck to me.

If I flip town kraska is likely scum?

So lynch me and springboard off my enthusiasm for Kraska lynch to lynch her as well.

If I'm wrong about kraska that'd be bad. Gonna re-evaluate here.

This is the 2nd time you're putting these same words in my mouth. All I said was I could see Kraska as scum if you're town. In no way have I implied that she should be chain lynched if u flip town.

So basically what I'm saying is I'm not entertaining the idea of her being scum @ this moment since I believe u to be scum. She would NOT be a top scumread of mine if you flipped town and there's nothing in my posts that suggest that.

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Being town, this push from JarJar is fishy as fuck to me. If I flip town kraska is likely scum? So lynch me and springboard off my enthusiasm for Kraska lynch to lynch her as well.

If I'm wrong about kraska that'd be bad. Gonna re-evaluate here.

Then again I'm not getting lynched today so

who cares

WHAT?!?!?!?

You want kraska lynched today right. So if she's town you should care just the same amount as if you were being lynched today.

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Jar. You're way aggressive this game. Why?

Not sure what ur asking but this is how I play.

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anyway you seem either really intent on confbiasing like fucking mad or you're just scum and im not interested in either continuing a debate of you making up shit that's not true and telling me the intended meaning behind my own posts, nor arguing with some scumbucket deliberately trying to irritate and distract me

Why not just address the points I made?

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You weren't this aggressive in the game we played as masons. I was the aggressive one and you were the one more calculating

I'm still calculating. Maybe it's cause the people I was pushing weren't hyper aggressive like RB is.

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I will agree with you though that the level of confidence RB has in not getting lynched today is concerning.

How is this agreeing with me? Where do I state anything like this?

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What am I missing?

The points I made ??

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For example, just the last one: He says that he's worried that I'm scum and Kraska is town and I'm setting up a RB/Kraska back2back mislych.

Then he says he's not worried cause he's not getting lynched.

Why wouldn't he be worried since he's WANTS TO LYNCH KRASKA TODAY?

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@Uxi I have literally never been lynched in 15+ games so yes, I have confidence in me not being lynched.

Me too. And the last time I announced it in game I was scum.

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Oh I get to play this phase? neat.

Intent

to vote Uzi but not sure if he's @ L-1 right now.

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Why would you all rule out that there is a doc in this setup and why do you all believe that Zulfy has a PR and targeted me?

It's not ruled out that there's a doc, but odds are pretty high that the kill was blocked by Zulf.

And him lying seems unlikely @ this point.

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Why would he not lie as scum here? They're in desperation mode right now.

Desperation mode means they need to somehow get some scummies to be practically confirmed and try to ride it out to the endgame.

Faking a claim isn't the way to do that.

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I used 1-shot Track last night: someone visited 2 people at once. What roles can do that?

Scum performing an action and a kill?

Was one of the people being targeted someone that may have been attacked and saved?

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My guess is it's zach

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Ah I see now, I misread. So if I'm understanding correctly, Drealm, KTS, rb, and Zulfy are confirmed town. Which leaves of us a pool of about 5 players then once rb tells us who he tracked.

Why do you think Zulf is confirmed? U were just suggesting that he's lying. How does RBs new info confirm Zulf?

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You do know rb has claimed a guilty on someone right?

Ah I see now, I misread. So if I'm understanding correctly, Drealm, KTS, rb, and Zulfy are confirmed town. Which leaves of us a pool of about 5 players then once rb tells us who he tracked.

KTS isn't confTown, where do you get that? I still think he might be scum. Look at his D1 play compared to D2. You're also treating yourself as confTown, which I also don't buy. It may have been coincidence, but I didn't like your reaction to the daystart flashwagon either.

The rest I agree with.

KTS will likely be confirmed one way of the other once we flip whoever this scum is.

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And yeah, Uzi's reaction may have been "WTF guys, I wasn't even the attacker"

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Being motivated would give someone the ability to double target.

So looks like dave is setting himself for a motivated doc claim. Though not sure why he wouldn't have just claimed in this post. Are we gonna want a doc to counter?

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Those are good doc targets.

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Seems legit to me.
VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

Oh never mind lol.

VOTE: Dave

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oh i didnt realize motivator was a role that needed to target someone. I just thought motivated was a modifier.

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jar jar beverages, why am I a scumread of yours?

I wouldn't say you are. I just took a guess based on who I'd think RB would target and who would be scums attacker.

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like scum using a PR as a their attacker says to me that whoever is left is heavily scumread by people.

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Being motivated would give someone the ability to double target.

So looks like dave is setting himself for a motivated doc claim. Though not sure why he wouldn't have just claimed in this post. Are we gonna want a doc to counter?

Motivated doc claim? I'm confused

I thought that a PR could have a "motivated" modifier. Didnt realize motivator was a role.

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and in fact zach, I'd probably say I townread u now since I think you would have been the attacker instead of dave.

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Gamma or Uzi for last scum

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or LmkGuy

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Doc still hasn't claimed so my vote on Uzi remains.

huh? why would doc claim? RB has a guilty on dave.

Doc should absolutely NOT claim today and make another hero save tonight.

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Sort JarJar first. He's very opinionated and I can't identify much in the way of towntells - might just be his style but I can see him as being the type of player to be good lategame.

I'm good late game, early game and in between game. So I had a bad read on you. It happens.

I also have a pretty good record of leading wagons on scum like u do. I read u wrong day 1 and u rushed shit on day 2.

See that's why you shouldn't speedlynch wagons regardless of how sure u are of your read. Wouldn't it be nice to know how I would have reacted to the shadow lynch?