Micro 660: Triplicate Mafia - Game Over

[Dunnstral]

Like my problem is there was no thought into it

just straight from thinking arc is town and considering voting me, to voting her and making reasons for your vote

[ArcAngel9]

UNVOTE:
Ok that jump-on was pretty scummy considering you were talking about how she was town

Unvoting because we're at l-1 or whatever and I want to let arc talk and see if saj is scum after all

After you said to look at her posts i ISO'd her and she has a couple posts toward me that make it seem like i am scummy, namely "are you trying to twist my words" and accusing me of buddying. After that she jumps on lane's case about ruining her reaction test and continues to write messages about him. To tell you the truth, i would have never been suspicious of Arc if it wasnt for you asking me to review her posts and voting her. You know i townread her and even said that her posts looked innocent to me. If you had not made me question my read and made me second guess myself then i would have never voted her. Is this your way of making me look suspicious and scummy? Is this how you are going to convince Arc to vote me? Are you town? You know i am newer and inexperienced so you tricked me and made me trust your word that there was something i wasnt catching within Arc's posts. You know i am bad at reading players since i am new to this site and you played me. I am just upset at you for doing that to me, i thought you are suppose to help new players. Ill be back after awhile when i am cooled down.

@Arc I am sorry i voted you, i townread you and he played me into changing my mind. I thought Power group was the all-town group but i dont know anymore about Dunn.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Dunn

UNVOTE:
Ok that jump-on was pretty scummy considering you were talking about how she was town

Unvoting because we're at l-1 or whatever and I want to let arc talk and see if saj is scum after all

If you look at Arc's posts throughout the game they look like she is suspicious of a few people and trying to pin down scum quickly which is townleaning. When you ISO her though and those posts are all in a row, she looks like she is fairly scummy considering she pointed at multiple people in just 8 posts. She looks too eager to me. I mean, no matter the outcome we HAVE to decide on three lynches.

VOTE: ArcAngel

So, seeing as we both townread Arc, what do you think about me putting my vote on you and letting Arc decide between us since your vote is already on me?

Why would you ask me


VOTE: ArcAngel9

I've changed my mind here though so you should take a second look as well

What the hell is this? You both better have some serious explanation for this. If there is something in what i said makes so sense or look suspicious, you should ask me first? Seriously, I am not understanding what is that you guys are confused about me. Wont you guys let me know justify myself for your accusations? I am not scum reading either of you nor even i town read. So, can we wait and talk a bit and also read others as well. I see some oppurtunist pushes on wagon from someone who is not in our group. I would be questioning them on that and would love to hear their thoughts.

So calm down both of you!!!

[lane0168]

That dunn unvote looks like searching for town cred. Evidenced by himself bringing up "if I was scum I'd let arc get lynched"

[Gamma Emerald]

Tried to be slick about what? You keep alluding to this without saying what it is.

Part of your read on me is because I think youre scum and didnt unvote you. Why would I want to unvote you?

You are habitually framing the convo inaccuratly, and asking me empty questions.

My point is clear.

I voted. Town would probably wait and see what happens after that right? Nope howard doesnt even question a thing.

Scum would do EXACTLY as he did.

Your whole reaction to this thing stinks. More reason to not unvote.

So cock sure im scum, you arent even going to question gamma? Smelly.

OK let's see
If I was scum I could have quickhammered and locked votes FYPOV.
WHY WOULD YOU RVS IF YOU BELIEVED SCUM COULD QH SO EASILY?
Also nice throwing shade bud.

[Gamma Emerald]

thinking SAJ is scum in power group

[FrankJaeger]

Tried to be slick about what? You keep alluding to this without saying what it is.

Part of your read on me is because I think youre scum and didnt unvote you. Why would I want to unvote you?

You are habitually framing the convo inaccuratly, and asking me empty questions.

My point is clear.

I voted. Town would probably wait and see what happens after that right? Nope howard doesnt even question a thing.

Scum would do EXACTLY as he did.

Your whole reaction to this thing stinks. More reason to not unvote.

So cock sure im scum, you arent even going to question gamma? Smelly.

OK let's see
If I was scum I could have quickhammered and locked votes FYPOV.
WHY WOULD YOU RVS IF YOU BELIEVED SCUM COULD QH SO EASILY?
Also nice throwing shade bud.

3.

3 times I told you no scum would have hammered.

Are you ok?

[FrankJaeger]

Throwing shade? Because i think howard is even more scum for ignoring you?

[FrankJaeger]

UNVOTE:
Ok that jump-on was pretty scummy considering you were talking about how she was town

Unvoting because we're at l-1 or whatever and I want to let arc talk and see if saj is scum after all

After you said to look at her posts i ISO'd her and she has a couple posts toward me that make it seem like i am scummy, namely "are you trying to twist my words" and accusing me of buddying. After that she jumps on lane's case about ruining her reaction test and continues to write messages about him. To tell you the truth, i would have never been suspicious of Arc if it wasnt for you asking me to review her posts and voting her. You know i townread her and even said that her posts looked innocent to me. If you had not made me question my read and made me second guess myself then i would have never voted her. Is this your way of making me look suspicious and scummy? Is this how you are going to convince Arc to vote me? Are you town? You know i am newer and inexperienced so you tricked me and made me trust your word that there was something i wasnt catching within Arc's posts. You know i am bad at reading players since i am new to this site and you played me. I am just upset at you for doing that to me, i thought you are suppose to help new players. Ill be back after awhile when i am cooled down.

@Arc I am sorry i voted you, i townread you and he played me into changing my mind. I thought Power group was the all-town group but i dont know anymore about Dunn.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Dunn

UNVOTE:
Ok that jump-on was pretty scummy considering you were talking about how she was town

Unvoting because we're at l-1 or whatever and I want to let arc talk and see if saj is scum after all

If you look at Arc's posts throughout the game they look like she is suspicious of a few people and trying to pin down scum quickly which is townleaning. When you ISO her though and those posts are all in a row, she looks like she is fairly scummy considering she pointed at multiple people in just 8 posts. She looks too eager to me. I mean, no matter the outcome we HAVE to decide on three lynches.

VOTE: ArcAngel

So, seeing as we both townread Arc, what do you think about me putting my vote on you and letting Arc decide between us since your vote is already on me?

Why would you ask me


VOTE: ArcAngel9

I've changed my mind here though so you should take a second look as well

What the hell is this? You both better have some serious explanation for this. If there is something in what i said makes so sense or look suspicious, you should ask me first? Seriously, I am not understanding what is that you guys are confused about me. Wont you guys let me know justify myself for your accusations? I am not scum reading either of you nor even i town read. So, can we wait and talk a bit and also read others as well. I see some oppurtunist pushes on wagon from someone who is not in our group. I would be questioning them on that and would love to hear their thoughts.

So calm down both of you!!!

Towny post

[FrankJaeger]

thinking SAJ is scum in power group

Yea his recent voting is wierd...keep an eye in him.

I wouldnt call him autoscum yet. He just seems to be sheepish

[FrankJaeger]

Look.
My initial read was lightened by my rule interpretation.
Im still saying him voting gamma there was scummy.

His reaction was worse. He waited for the rest of the town to form an opinion. Howard then just repeats what someone else said.
When I try to get him to back up his arguement, he runs.

Im appealing more to the town on D2 because my group seems to be stuck on me.

[FrankJaeger]

Accusations of scumminess based on voting are not applicable currently

I disagree

Can you explain why? When you admitted to overlooking the rule? Why stick with your initial read, when the reason you made the read is wrong? Answer GuiltyLion's question too

When i voted there was no info.

When howard votes, the game has already started.
Now ask your self what would scum do in his shoes.

1. Not vote-most town thing to do
2.vote frank- pretty null
3.vote gamma.- scum

Ding ding he picks 3. Like he doesnt even question me. Just "ok gamma it is"

I push him on it, and I still havent gotten an explanation.
He is just echoing gamma

[FrankJaeger]

Guilty lion i summon thee

[lane0168]

How the hell is voting gamma scum?

[FrankJaeger]

How the hell is voting gamma scum?

By itself it isnt.

[Gamma Emerald]

Accusations of scumminess based on voting are not applicable currently

I disagree

Can you explain why? When you admitted to overlooking the rule? Why stick with your initial read, when the reason you made the read is wrong? Answer GuiltyLion's question too

When i voted there was no info.

When howard votes, the game has already started.
Now ask your self what would scum do in his shoes.

1. Not vote-most town thing to do
2.vote frank- pretty null
3.vote gamma.- scum

Ding ding he picks 3. Like he doesnt even question me. Just "ok gamma it is"

I push him on it, and I still havent gotten an explanation.
He is just echoing gamma

I think I see the issue you have
He just took your word for being a VT
He was joking

[lane0168]

Is Frank's entire case on Howard that Howard rvs voted, but frank did it first so Howard is the scum? Honestly is that what Frank is trying to push here?

[lane0168]

He's made no explanation of why only scum would vote gamma. Why the hell not? It's rvs. He had 2 choices to vote. I voted as well

[lane0168]

How the hell is voting gamma scum?

By itself it isnt.

But your scum read is based off that alone. It said so. He had 3 choices. Voting gamma is scummy according to you. But now you say by itself it isn't? When your own scum is based solely on that. What makes it scummy then?

[FrankJaeger]

How the hell is voting gamma scum?

By itself it isnt.

But your scum read is based off that alone. It said so. He had 3 choices. Voting gamma is scummy according to you. But now you say by itself it isn't? When your own scum is based solely on that. What makes it scummy then?

Scummy doesnt equal scum.
I called him scum because he was scummy to see how he responded.

Now if i could get an answer from him as to why he would jump on gamma and not question me, that would be great. Why didnt he just wait to vote? Why didnt he vote me? Why is he ignoring our whole group now?

His reaction to this situation is scum.

[FrankJaeger]

Is Frank's entire case on Howard that Howard rvs voted, but frank did it first so Howard is the scum? Honestly is that what Frank is trying to push here?

Dat over simplification

[FrankJaeger]

He's made no explanation of why only scum would vote gamma. Why the hell not? It's rvs. He had 2 choices to vote. I voted as well

Why are you ignoring my other points.
Him voting gamma was a red flag. I went after it.

Your vote and his vote arent comparable, so idk what your point is.

[lane0168]

His vote wasn't a red flag, it was an RVS vote. Several people didn't question you. You didn't say anything to them. I rvs voted, and didn't question you, you didn't say anything to me. Why didnt you wait to vote? Why didn't you vote gamma? What do you mean by ignoring the whole group now?

[lane0168]

Are

"no reason not to"

and

"rvs"

mutually exclusive? No. My vote was

random

with

no reason not to

vote because I understood the mechanics. So why wouldn't/shouldn't I vote quickly? Or anyone else for that matter. No need to discredit your read, just pointing out your actions and why you are scum.

VOTE: howard
Flipped a coin.

How is this different than my vote? It. Is. Not.

Town wouldnt vote like that.
I could just jump right over and lynch gamma right now.
Isnt that what you want me to do?

You believe that a second vote would cause a lynch, believe you caught scum, don't unvote. Makes. No. Sense.

Day doesn't end until all groups lynch.
So you can hammer and not fully lynch.

I over looked that rule

Now you know.

@Frank: why did you call out Howard for voting?

Me and Howard are in 2 different positions. My vote was literally random.
I dont think town would have voted at all in his position.
Scum has several reasons they would do what he did.
BUT I was more interested in his reply. Which was what exactly?

(see below for "difference" I guess. *shrug*) What reply/reaction were you expecting and how would it have helped?

Apparently what Frank said about Howard doesn't apply to him. If you thought hammers were locked like that why would you even vote?

Thats exactly what I think. If he voted first I wouldnt have voted at all.
I hate saying reaction test. Because it skews the results.
Do you think town OR scum would have hammered there? So that doesnt really matter.

Nope . . . no "difference" reasoning here.

Do you think town OR scum would have hammered there? So that doesnt really matter.

I don't get the question.
If you are town, you have to think there's a chance one of us is scum. Why would you give the opportunity to quickhammer to scum?

Well it got a reaction from everyone but the guy who mattered.
I agree, but I also realize the only person hammering is scum. Scum knows this too.

How was a reaction going to tell you anything?!?!?

You missed an important mechanic. Tried to be slick. Failed. I'm done with you. Need to focus on the other groups now.

Howards last post doesn't look like he's ignoring your group

[ArcAngel9]

@Dunnstral: ISO ArcAngel9 and lane0168: 50, 51, 56, ...

What supposed to mean? Ask me what i did looked suspicious to you. Could you please frame it in a sentence?

I'd vote arc too. I really don't like arc "testing the motive" by basically incriminating SAJ. There was no reason to go about it that way unless you're trying to subtly get people looking that way.

Since when testing someone motive is scum reason? Town ask questions and scum avoid being questions, Isn't that trying to understand someone's motive means asking them questions for right reasons?

In general mafia, VT claim is role declaration and usually scum does it early game for hindrance
I am town declaration is usually comes from town motive and scum is always afraid do it.

But in this game, town and VT are the same...

No town and VT are not same. Town indicates alignment and VT is a role claim, they are different. VT claim on early game is not very helpful to game. And i have seen that VT claims are even get PL'ed according to this site meta

UNVOTE: Gamma Emerald
Apparently only a few of us actually read the rules.
VOTE: FrankJaeger
Inaccurate and contradictory quick hammer reasoning.
It bothers me that Gamma Emerald is being overly Hubristic (43). Maybe I just feel dissed.

I agree with the case against ArcAngel9. If not locked into groups today, that would be my current vote.

Dunnstral's play is crap and is on my radar also.

What is that case against me that you agree? I really want to know what actions of mine that persuaded you to seem as scum. this is interesting. Are you parking your options to go against me on day 2?

[Not_Mafia]

And they don't stop bumping