Micro 660: Triplicate Mafia - Game Over

[Not_Mafia]

Power

ArcAngel9 (0)-

Dunnstral (1)-

Secret Agent Jin

Secret Agent Jin (0)-

Not Voting (2)-

ArcAngel9, Dunnstral

Wisdom

FrankJaeger (2)-

HowardRoark, Gamma Emerald

HowardRoark (1)-

FrankJaeger

Gamma Emerald (0)-

Not Voting (0)-

Courage

DeathByWobbuffet (1)-

lane0168

GuiltyLion (0)-

lane0168 (0)-

Not Voting (2)-

DeathByWobbuffet, GuiltyLion

Deadline is in

(expired on 2016-11-29 13:00:00)

- Nov 29th 13:00 GMT

[ArcAngel9]

Call it as my gut or a hunch i dont think there is scum in my group. Hence, No vote from me. (With the way Dunnstral and Secret Agent Jin cross fired with their votes on me)

I am going to see Courage and Wisdom players post carefully, because i am convinced that the both scum is in there.

[lane0168]

There's nothing wrong with questioning someone's motives. Nobody said that. You're not listening. It's the way you did it that's scummy.

Also youre not listening to Howard either, IN THIS GAME VT and Townie is the same thing. Everyone is town or scum. At least I haven't seen anything that indicates there are power roles. Have you?

[HowardRoark]

@FrankJaeger: I am not ignoring Gamma Emerald, but I also already have you. You obviously have not read any of my posts as to why my vote is on you. As town, believing that a quick hammer was possible, there is no good explanation for the gambit; do the maths. Another ignorant (not offensive, rather denotation accurate) town could have accidentally "lynched" town (66% random probable, 100% knowing my role). Then if in the all town group (33% possible) resulted in the mislynch of the hammering town. Your play and argument only makes sense as scum. Since I and others did understand the rules, saying my RV is scummy (159) is what is scummy. I said I am done with you and now I am. If somebody else needs clarification on my explanation I believe they actually want it instead of distracting us from finding the other scum. This is the painful part of the mechanic.

thinking SAJ is scum in power group

There's a lot going on there. Elaborate please.

Has DeathByWobbuffet just given up? It really interferes with developing the Courage group.

Power group is a mess. Secret Agent Jin's plan to let ArcAngel9 decide (129) sounds bad especially with the later flip-flop. His reaction reads a mix of genuine and AtE. I don't like Dunnstral's WIFOM (149) and 150 argument since there was time. My thoughts on ArcAngel9 still stand and expanded below.

@ArcAngel9: My posts when read in thread, or at least not quoted out of order, make perfect sense. Go back and read 79, 83-87. I don't buy into the VT versus townie argument. You dodged answering to "twisting words" thrice: 62, 65, 71 If you still can't see it, "I say it is your perception." Not parking options; being open. How does it compare to your lack of commitment to anything? "Scum found in Wisdom." (50), "Is scum lurking in Courage and Wisdom?" (77), and all of 176. IMHO thinking as one group all town today is a hindrance to finding scum or a divisive stance. I haven't done a full breakdown, but it appears that not lynching in a group is a bad decision.

[ArcAngel9]

There's nothing wrong with questioning someone's motives. Nobody said that. You're not listening. It's the way you did it that's scummy.

Also youre not listening to Howard either, IN THIS GAME VT and Townie is the same thing. Everyone is town or scum. At least I haven't seen anything that indicates there are power roles. Have you?

the way i do things depend on the way i perceive them. You may be correct on what you say but the context i was referring to the VT claim is different. I was questioning the motive. A townie always want to scream Town dont want to say they are VT. I was pointing to the motive behind the statement which of course he justified himself and i wanted to test his reaction on that. Too bad you dont see it the way i see it.

[lane0168]

@mod, dbw... Does his post count? Or can we get him replaced

[FrankJaeger]

There's nothing wrong with questioning someone's motives. Nobody said that. You're not listening. It's the way you did it that's scummy.

Also youre not listening to Howard either, IN THIS GAME VT and Townie is the same thing. Everyone is town or scum. At least I haven't seen anything that indicates there are power roles. Have you?

Who is this directed towards? Sorry if its obv.

[lane0168]

Arc

[FrankJaeger]

@FrankJaeger: I am not ignoring Gamma Emerald, but I also already have you.

Not from what I see

You obviously have not read any of my posts as to why my vote is on you.

This isnt my concern. I know why your vote is on me.

As town, believing that a quick hammer was possible, there is no good explanation for the gambit; do the maths.

What gambit? Literally no one would have lynched there...town or scum. Why are you forcing this?

Another ignorant (not offensive, rather denotation accurate)

no offense taken my amigo

town could have accidentally "lynched" town (66% random probable, 100% knowing my role). Then if in the all town group (33% possible) resulted in the mislynch of the hammering town.

but i dont get your point here? What does this have to do with you voting gamma at all?

Your play and argument only makes sense as scum.

Well it would be nice if you actually acknowledged my arguement.

Since I and others did understand the rules, saying my RV is scummy (159) is what is scummy.

It wasnt an RV though...

I said I am done with you and now I am. If somebody else needs clarification on my explanation I believe they actually want it instead of distracting us from finding the other scum. This is the painful part of the mechanic.

Again, why not question my claim, and vote? Why just jump on gamma? Why are you letting basically every other player in the game argue for you?

[FrankJaeger]

Yea dbw needs to be replaced. Ide bet that slot is town though

[Not_Mafia]

@mod, dbw... Does his post count? Or can we get him replaced

He will get one more chance

[FrankJaeger]

im a dead man walking. Going to try to be as prodictive for town as i can until lynch.

Guiltylion i summon thee

[Dunnstral]

Why is wisdom group lynching Frank, anyway?

Lynch Howard or Gamma

[Secret Agent Jin]

I guess i just have to get used to things on this site, i guess my Arc vote could be taken as jumping on. I see what Arc means and we should talk more about things.

UNVOTE:

The grouping is a bit confusing to me still since i am both trying to focus on mt group while attempting to read the others for possible scum.

My Group

What Dunn did with the Arc vote was understandable and i see that it wasnt so much a trick as it was a reaction test. I really did think he was subtly pointing out that i missed something so i ISO'd Arc. I started to see suspicious moves but i now know that it was just scumhunting. I dont know how i feel about Dunn but i can hope the reaction test was innocent.

[Secret Agent Jin]

Wisdom Group

I don't know how to feel about Gamma but i am convinced this back and forth between Frank and Howard means one is scum and one is town. I had my suspicions about Frank before but i am not sure any more.

Courage Group

This group is interesting, Lane is active and engaging which boasts well for town but some of the stuff he posts i dont exactly agree with. As far as Guilty and Woba goes, i think the scum is within one of them. I am leaning toward Woba since i am thinking he is lurking rather than inactive.

[ArcAngel9]

Would you vote Howard if you were in his group Secret?

[Secret Agent Jin]

Would you vote Howard if you were in his group Secret?

As of right now, if i was in Wisdom, i would vote Frank

[ArcAngel9]

Would you vote Howard if you were in his group Secret?

As of right now, if i was in Wisdom, i would vote Frank

Umm... But you opinion is that one of them is scum. So how are you differentiating Frank over Howard? I like to hear your thoughts on this.

[Dunnstral]

it wasn't a reaction test

Just that I found your reaction odd

[Dunnstral]

I'd be voting howard

[FrankJaeger]

Would you vote Howard if you were in his group Secret?

As of right now, if i was in Wisdom, i would vote Frank

Sigh

[FrankJaeger]

I'd be voting howard

Cool cool cool.
Why

[FrankJaeger]

I wonder what scum will do if they are the last hammer, and their buddy is on the lynch block

[lane0168]

I wonder what scum will do if they are the last hammer, and their buddy is on the lynch block

Probably the same thing town would do

[lane0168]

Im super frustrated with this dbw character. Gets prodded and pops in to say he's reading. Obviously a lie. And now it's been a day and 9 hours since then. I'm not trying to force mod hand or over step my bounds here but in this setup everyone needs to be here at least a little bit. Guilty, where you at?