Newbie 1758 - Symmetry (Game Over)

[Sobolev Space]

Excluding RVS, Hellfire Missile and Psych are the only one to have received no votes. Yet Hellfire Missile is in the middle group?

I was counting votes on alphabetorical as separate from votes on DR so at the time of my post DR had also received no votes. But I also think that I was the only vote on alphabetorical and that started as RVS (will have to look through the thread to check this).

That doesn't answer my question about Hellfire Missile's placement.

My bad. I placed HM in the second tier simply because I didn't find them as suspicious as DR and Psyche. The evidence contributing to my HM read is the possibly faked newbishness and the lack of actual content in their posts. Despite this there's a good chance that HM is legitimately as newbie as he appears and is having trouble making reads etc. This isn't as sus imo as DR who seems to be misconstruing previous posts and trying tunnel Joshz or Psyche who also isn't posting actual content but has a less valid explanation than HM because he's more experienced.

@Jackel98. Re post 218: I did actually call out DR earlier in post 216. I thought making that post that my earlier post specified that I was overly defensive as town. Between the two posts I looked back through the game and realized I left it open so I made 218 so it didn't look like I was purposely misrepresenting my earlier statements.

Also: why the town read on Sequencer?

[DayahaangRai]

Here are the reasons for voting Human Sequencer

102 This post bugged me so hard. "I'm gonna join for pressure. If we get to L-1, I'm retracting."
Why he wants to pressure?
-Wants to pressure a newer player who is town to crack and become scummy under pressure.
- Wants to build a wagon real quick on town and when the wagon is formed, Get off from the wagon to not get sus if he flips town. As the newer player will already be cracked enough for town to vote.
- Just want town to do something.

128 Says the post pinged him.

160 If that post pinged him, Why will he Un-Vote him and vote Jackel?
-He thought the wagon on her isnt growing. So, Thought a change in the vote will be good to get someone lynched.

Why its suspicious?
-Un-Votes without a reason.
-Had said that post pinged him but still Un-VTLs.
-After Howard asked for the reason for Un-VTLing, Only then gives the reason which doesnt give a good sign. Says Sobloev is posting meaningful content, but jackel isnt. If Human was really pinged why will he Un-VTL? Because the wagon wasnt forming good.

201
Again, That's not a convincing reason. And you ignored- "Why not mention that before someone questioned? An Un-Vote with a reason would have been nice"
Your vote didnt made town do anything. What do you mean?

Changed? Didnt you said Space's post was scummy. So, You said "My vote stands" and still She hadnt posted anything as a response to your vote. But Yet, You chose to vote someone else. And Worth a shot? Like worth a shot to get a town hanged?

229 Your vote didnt made town do anything at all? But I asked "Why did you think?"


In my eyes and the site i play's meta, It would have been considered very suspicious. So, My vote stands unless he convinces me.


Answering to accusations/Questions, now.

[DayahaangRai]

According to my experiences in mafia games, Scums rarely get replaced and a 2 replacement of a role is rare for scums. So, The conclusion should be I can be said a near-confirmed townie but I dont expect it fully. Just said it.

Scum replaces out of Newbie games all the time. More often than town if a newbie player rolls it. The circumstances of the replace out matters a lot. I see no reason why your slot being replaced twice gives it town-cred.

Err. I've replaced into a game about 3-5 times in this site and In all those games, I was replaced as a town. And in the other site, Mafias are rarely, i mean very rarely gets replaced.

If I had to pick a scum pair rn it's Howard or psyche with Sobolev or Rai (but note: I don't think Howard AND Rai are scum).

Give reasons with your accusation, as well. Or is it because i was onto you and had voted you?

@DayahaangRai: The lazy was asking for a summary with such a short read.

I use it in every games. For instance: Check: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=700. This game has finished. And i was town that game and i still use it every game. That's not enough reason for FoS'ing me. You can even spectate the current games going where in every games, I've asked for the summary.

DayRai might have tried to misrepresent Sobolev by quoting her as saying that she was overly defensive as

scum

, not town.

For full disclosure I just looked back at my original post and realized I left it open as to whether I was overly defensive as town or scum. I still think that this means that DR saying me being defensive is a scumtell is misrepresenting my views, however, although it could easily be accidental.

Aside from that what you're saying makes a lot of sense. Although I don't necessarily think that loopdan has shown less emotion than any other people in the game excepting Joshz.

@Psyche/SEs: General theory question. At what point do you think your suspicions of someone should move over to an actual vote on that person? Do you think that you should just always be voting for who you're most suspicious of at the time or do you think that there could be times when you have slight scum reads on a couple people but still aren't voting?

It was a mis-read. I read "when accused of being mafia" or something like that as "when accused if i am mafia".


The meta here and meta in the other site i play seem very different that everyone here in newbie games start sus'ing me even if i am in my normal town playstyle. OMGUS and Hypocrisy are all suspicious there and These things are the only scum-tells that can be found there. I had already have enough of the sus in me in the previous games but I still thought of giving it a last attempt at such games.

I give up. Sorry, but the meta here is so much intolerable for me. I'll get back to the "one game at a time" thing in the previous site i played. Even if i am town, Every one sus me for being a town-me. I am not being salty but i'm used to the meta i play with.

Requesting a replacement!

And I can assure you all that the replacement which will be taking me is townie indeed.

[Loopdan]

According to my experiences in mafia games, Scums rarely get replaced and a 2 replacement of a role is rare for scums. So, The conclusion should be I can be said a near-confirmed townie but I dont expect it fully. Just said it.

Scum replaces out of Newbie games all the time. More often than town if a newbie player rolls it. The circumstances of the replace out matters a lot. I see no reason why your slot being replaced twice gives it town-cred.

Err. I've replaced into a game about 3-5 times in this site and In all those games, I was replaced as a town. And in the other site, Mafias are rarely, i mean very rarely gets replaced.

This is specific to Newbie games:

[Loopdan]

Like I said, the circumstance of the replace out matters a lot. I think yours hints at frustration of being scum "caught for the wrong reason."

VOTE: DayRai

[DayahaangRai]

Rai

I love your idiocy.

Continue doing it.

[Loopdan]

If you are town, why do you want me to continue pushing your lynch? Your personal attack only makes me think it's more likely you are scum.

[Joshz]

Ironic.

Continue doing it.

[Joshz]

According to my experiences in mafia games, Scums rarely get replaced and a 2 replacement of a role is rare for scums. So, The conclusion should be I can be said a near-confirmed townie but I dont expect it fully. Just said it.

Scum replaces out of Newbie games all the time. More often than town if a newbie player rolls it. The circumstances of the replace out matters a lot. I see no reason why your slot being replaced twice gives it town-cred.

Err. I've replaced into a game about 3-5 times in this site and In all those games, I was replaced as a town. And in the other site, Mafias are rarely, i mean very rarely gets replaced.

If I had to pick a scum pair rn it's Howard or psyche with Sobolev or Rai (but note: I don't think Howard AND Rai are scum).

Give reasons with your accusation, as well. Or is it because i was onto you and had voted you?

@DayahaangRai: The lazy was asking for a summary with such a short read.

I use it in every games. For instance: Check: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=700. This game has finished. And i was town that game and i still use it every game. That's not enough reason for FoS'ing me. You can even spectate the current games going where in every games, I've asked for the summary.

DayRai might have tried to misrepresent Sobolev by quoting her as saying that she was overly defensive as

scum

, not town.

For full disclosure I just looked back at my original post and realized I left it open as to whether I was overly defensive as town or scum. I still think that this means that DR saying me being defensive is a scumtell is misrepresenting my views, however, although it could easily be accidental.

Aside from that what you're saying makes a lot of sense. Although I don't necessarily think that loopdan has shown less emotion than any other people in the game excepting Joshz.

@Psyche/SEs: General theory question. At what point do you think your suspicions of someone should move over to an actual vote on that person? Do you think that you should just always be voting for who you're most suspicious of at the time or do you think that there could be times when you have slight scum reads on a couple people but still aren't voting?

It was a mis-read. I read "when accused of being mafia" or something like that as "when accused if i am mafia".


The meta here and meta in the other site i play seem very different that everyone here in newbie games start sus'ing me even if i am in my normal town playstyle. OMGUS and Hypocrisy are all suspicious there and These things are the only scum-tells that can be found there. I had already have enough of the sus in me in the previous games but I still thought of giving it a last attempt at such games.

I give up. Sorry, but the meta here is so much intolerable for me. I'll get back to the "one game at a time" thing in the previous site i played. Even if i am town, Every one sus me for being a town-me. I am not being salty but i'm used to the meta i play with.

Requesting a replacement!

And I can assure you all that the replacement which will be taking me is townie indeed.

You can't seriously be saying you are mad because town you is getting scum read here???? I'm from another forum and am having troubles adapting here but you still look just as scummy to me. And I did give reasons you twat, gut. Why are you self metaing and saying you're auto town?? Hello? And for the record the last noc I was in scum subbed out day 2, his sub won them the game. So stop with the bullshit rhetoric. There are lots of reasons to sub and every real one should apply to both scum and town. I know a major annual game started on smogon and that's probably why Empoof subbed out, it's completely NAI.

[Human Sequencer]

lol
looks like rai boiled himself alive in this game
VOTE: DayahaangRai

sobolev is still suss but this is worse

[DayahaangRai]

You know what? I am Town Cop. Vote me up, idiots.

[Jackel98]

I don't know how serious that claim is. You've already requested a replacement, and now you're just being a dick to us and your replacement.

[Loopdan]

You know what? I am Town Cop. Vote me up, idiots.

Do you even know the vote count on you?

If you are town please leave this site and never come back.

[Loopdan]

UNVOTE:

[Loopdan]

@Psyche-- Do you have any reads at all to share at this point?

[Loopdan]

@Psyche-- If town, please explain why you are playing like lurkscum.

[Human Sequencer]

I don't know how serious that claim is. You've already requested a replacement, and now you're just being a dick to us and your replacement.

^this
i take that claim with enough salt to season and cook a whale
seriously think he's just trolling

to rai's replacement, don't confirm nor deny this claim
to everybody else
don't confirm or disprove the setup

[Joshz]

Guess I'm not the vi

[Loopdan]

Psyche has been onsite, posting in non-game threads.

@mod-- Requesting a prod for Psyche.

[Human Sequencer]

yeah what the fuck guys post more

in the meantime VOTE: Sobolev Space while i wait for rai's slot to pick up

[DayahaangRai]

You all are just fucking idiots.Nothing else.


Human Sequencer and Joshz are scums!


Just wanted to tell you this before i leave this idiot site.

[Human Sequencer]

ok mate

[Psyche]

ok im back

[Xalxe]

Vote Count 1.6

Fun game. Say "toy boat" over and over. Do it for the rest of your life. Retreat from society and live on alms. Whisper "toy boat' as you die.

Human Sequencer (2)

: HowardRoark, DayahaangRai

DayahaangRai (1)

: Jackel98

Hellfire Missile (1)

: Joshz

Sobolev Space (1)

: Human Sequencer

Not Voting

: Psyche, Hellfire Missile, Sobolev Space, Loopdan

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-11-27 08:47:44)

DayahaangRai is being replaced.

[Joshz]

You all are just fucking idiots.Nothing else.


Human Sequencer and Joshz are scums!


Just wanted to tell you this before i leave this idiot site.

Come back after the game ends. Not because an asshole like yourself is a good community member but because I want you to see my green. Idk about human sequencer but I hope he's green too just to spite you.

Btw this isn't the most reliable but I'm gonna town read Rai slot (I say slot because he's being subbed). I don't see scum being this stupid lol