Micro 661 | Scumteam UnPick - Pressure Done

[ProHawk]

This game setup seems pretty straight forward. Being able to lynch based off of probabilities is best and with a complete matrix of choices makes our odds of hitting scum that much better, not to mention clearing town when we nail scum in a pair. ZZZX, your method seems too convoluted when it doesn't need to be so. Lying doesn't seem to benefit scum from what I can tell, after all the only thing the matrix offers is probability and not absolutes, so there is that...

Scum Team can't be:

ZZZZX and Secret Agent Jin
OR
ArcAngel9 and Tenshii

I'm pretty sure scum wouldn't want the game to be "solved"...

VOTE: Dunhallym

This IS scum-hunting darling! Oh and if I am starting the popcorn. You are next! It's too bad I didn't get you in my picks, however someone else may have.

[ProHawk]

Dunhal raises a good point

What good point is that?

[ProHawk]

VOTE: Creature

VOTE: ZZZX

I am town 1-shot double voter. Fortunately, I already found the scumteam. Also I think we should scumhunt first, then reveal unpicks later on.

This is cute... I am actually kind of curious to see your picks.

[Gamma Emerald]

Dunhal raises a good point

What good point is that?

That we should scumhunt before announcing picks.
Prevents a lack of drive.

[ProHawk]

Ok, what are you doing to scum-hunt? I counter with it produces the drive to scum-hunt. You have been at most speculating.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I've been expressing opinions
And I kinda think you could be scum.
VOTE: ProHawk

[ProHawk]

Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

Because your attitude doesn't feel very towny

[Dunhallym]

This game setup seems pretty straight forward. Being able to lynch based off of probabilities is best and with a complete matrix of choices makes our odds of hitting scum that much better, not to mention clearing town when we nail scum in a pair. ZZZX, your method seems too convoluted when it doesn't need to be so. Lying doesn't seem to benefit scum from what I can tell, after all the only thing the matrix offers is probability and not absolutes, so there is that...

Scum Team can't be:

ZZZZX and Secret Agent Jin
OR
ArcAngel9 and Tenshii

I'm pretty sure scum wouldn't want the game to be "solved"...

VOTE: Dunhallym

This IS scum-hunting darling! Oh and if I am starting the popcorn. You are next! It's too bad I didn't get you in my picks, however someone else may have.

While I agree that having the full matrix will help us you have failed to show me why it is best to have it now.
I think OTOH that it is better to wait some for reasons already mentioned and because l think leaving scum in the dark for some time is more valuable than the knowledge having all the picks out right now would bring us.

[ProHawk]

Its better to have it now so that we have time to construct the matrix and evaluate it for most likely to be scum. It's another piece of the puzzle that will help back scum into a corner. The later we get it out, the less time we have to use it. What exactly are you leaving scum in the dark about? Tell me how you plan on catching scum by doing.... what exactly?

[Dunhallym]

I will elaborate tomorrow when I get on a computer.
But days are long enough that I don't think time is that much of an issue. For the first days I intend to play as a normal mafia game.

[Jaack]

Nah, we should claim before too much discussion. If we wait to long, scum will have opportunity to tailor their clears to the gamestate.

If someone obvtowns it up, then scum can just include them in their claimed picks.

[Gamma Emerald]

Nah, we should claim before too much discussion. If we wait to long, scum will have opportunity to tailor their clears to the gamestate.

If someone obvtowns it up, then scum can just include them in their claimed picks.

OK that's a good point.

[ProHawk]

VOTE: Gamma

Sheeep

[ZZZX]

While I completely agree about dun's method of scumhunting to decide the order Pro has broken that (and my plan) anyway. The idea about my plan was to force as many possible combinations since if scum was stuck they will "have" to get something unique unless they want to say they have picked 3/4 of the last picked people which seems very... unlucky but that doesnt matter now does it.

But the funny part is that Pro gets "tiny" town points as I dont see why scum would pick this first. its in no way a real read but Its something. Howver I'd like the rest of hte people to think to claim or not before they do and discuss it together. Since I think we can milk this system for what it's worth. Meanwhile ill prepare a 8x8 matrix to use meanwhile

[ZZZX]

	ZZZX	Dunhallym	ProHawk	Tenshii	Secret Agent Jin	Gamma Emerald	ArcAngel9	Jaack
ZZZX	X
Dunhallym		X
ProHawk			X
Tenshii				X
Secret Agent Jin					X
Gamma Emerald						X
ArcAngel9							X
Jaack								X

ill post an updated one now but i want to save a template

[Gamma Emerald]

Half of the spots are repeats

[ZZZX]

	ZZZX	Dunhallym	ProHawk	Tenshii	Secret Agent Jin	Gamma Emerald	ArcAngel9	Jaack
ZZZX	X				ProHawk pick
Dunhallym		X
ProHawk			X
Tenshii				X			ProHawk pick
Secret Agent Jin	ProHawk pick				X
Gamma Emerald						X
ArcAngel9				ProHawk pick			X
Jaack								X

52/64 pairs remaining
24/64 pairs minimum (64 - 8 - 4 x 8)

[ZZZX]

Half of the spots are repeats

it makes viewing it easier I think that way

[ZZZX]

only disadvantage of claiming (or advantage depending on how things are) would be making scum kills controlled. advantage is that they are wel... controlled.

disadvantage is that it disallows us from using hte claims system since the scum can get late game with barely any cleared pairs

[Secret Agent Jin]

Ill post my pairs so that the chart can be updated.

Pick 1: Gamma+Arc Angel
Pick 2: Prohawk+Jaack

[Gamma Emerald]

Pick 1: Tenshii and Jaack
Pick 2: ProHawk and ZZZX

[Jaack]

I thought we were popcorning....

Oh well, it really shouldn't make too much of a difference.

Gamma Emerald + ProHawk
and
Tenshii + Dunhallym

[Jaack]

	ZZZX	Dunhallym	ProHawk	Tenshii	Secret Agent Jin	Gamma Emerald	ArcAngel9	Jaack
ZZZX	X		Gamma Pick		ProHawk pick
Dunhallym		X		Jaack Pick
ProHawk	Gamma Pick		X			Jaack Pick		Jin Pick
Tenshii		Jaack Pick		X			ProHawk pick	Gamma Pick
Secret Agent Jin	ProHawk pick				X
Gamma Emerald			Jaack Pick			X	Jin Pick
ArcAngel9				ProHawk pick		Jin Pick	X
Jaack			Jin Pick	Gamma Pick				X

Updated chart.

No repeats yet, which is good.

[ZZZX]

	ZZZX	Dunhallym	ProHawk	Tenshii	Secret Agent Jin	Gamma Emerald	ArcAngel9	Jaack
ZZZX	X		Gamma Pick		ProHawk pick
Dunhallym		X		Jaack Pick
ProHawk	Gamma Pick		X			Jaack Pick		Jin Pick
Tenshii		Jaack Pick		X			ProHawk/ZZZX pick	Gamma Pick
Secret Agent Jin	ProHawk pick				X
Gamma Emerald			Jaack Pick			X	Jin Pick	ZZZX
ArcAngel9				ProHawk/ZZZX pick		Jin Pick	X
Jaack			Jin Pick	Gamma Pick		ZZZX		X

Arc+tenshii // Jaack+Gamma for me

1 repeated pair so far