Newbie 1758 - Symmetry (Game Over)

[HowardRoark]

@Locust: I had a hiatus from the site for a few years, so I cannot attest to any activity tell. Some players will post 10 one liners per RL day with little content. I feel that it can generally only be used as a stitch to close a case or a policy lynch.
Game pace always seems weird to me: too slow when I have time; too fast when I am away for a bit.
IMHO, the blow up and exit of your predecessor was raw enough to keep people from just quick lynching. If it had made it to L-1, the hammer might have been swift and probably a good D2 analysis.

@Hellfire Missile: I appreciate the effort, however I was hoping for more/better. Do you feel that it was helpful at all?

@Human Sequencer: What experience with the other players makes you believe that "half of the people in this game are pretending to act like they wouldn't usually"?

QFT

i doubt it's alignment indicative considering he's the IC

Maybe but it isn't pro town either.

@Joshz: Yes. Your appeals to emotion (AtE) were massive. That and your play since have me scratching my head as to why I gave you a break.

@Human Sequencer: Sobolev Space has done some things that I had to question but overall not really reading scum. Jackel98 also doesn't have me reading scum especially with the recent content posts.

@Loopdan: Still need clarification on that chart.

I'm good for hanging Human Sequencer (current vote) or Psyche (policy) today. Joshz is becoming a candidate again.

[Joshz]

So one guy is sring me for not showing emotion and another for too much. Good plan. The lynch pool today imo is Hellfire Missile, Howard, Psyche and jackel. I'm fairly confident both scum are in that pool.

[Hellfire Missile]

Hellfire I would be interested in your reads on other people in this game as well. It would help me understand your thought processes more and (if you are finding it so hard to get reads) may help you out with getting some of your own gut feelings. I would be interested mostly on your reads on Space and Psyche, but anyone else you have a strong feeling about based on their actions and perceived intentions I would also like to hear. The reason IU am asking you this is you currently seem to be here and active and the only people you have had reads on so far seem to be Joshz and a little on me.

i can't really read (no time maybe tomorrow? because reading takes alot of my time) but for Psyche he hasn't read anyone, only voted for one person (Loopdan) and quickly retracted the vote. I'd like to prod him but he's already been prodded.

I just wish he would say something.

[Human Sequencer]

@Human Sequencer: What experience with the other players makes you believe that "half of the people in this game are pretending to act like they wouldn't usually"?

i just get the feeling that most of the people here are acting, regardless of scum or not
a lot of posts read contrived to me

i could get on board w/ a psyche policy lynch

[Hellfire Missile]

@Hellfire Missile: I appreciate the effort, however I was hoping for more/better. Do you feel that it was helpful at all?

I thought it was sorta helpful?

Atleast to me it was.

[Hellfire Missile]

So one guy is sring me for not showing emotion and another for too much. Good plan. The lynch pool today imo is Hellfire Missile, Howard, Psyche and jackel. I'm fairly confident both scum are in that pool.

Isn't that like almost all the people who voted for you?

[Hellfire Missile]

for my read on Joshz, my experience on emotion is a lot of caps, ! marks, ? marks, generally angry (from what i can tell)

gonna go through Joshz's posts again, see if i see any emotion

[Hellfire Missile]

for reading Locust should i be focusing on his posts or Rai's?

[Loopdan]

@Loopdan: Still need clarification on that chart.

Stats on 377 Newbie Matrix 6 Games (Updated 2 days ago). Relevant info is under "Spoiler: Replacement stats."

[Loopdan]

@Human Sequencer: What experience with the other players makes you believe that "half of the people in this game are pretending to act like they wouldn't usually"?

i just get the feeling that most of the people here are acting, regardless of scum or not
a lot of posts read contrived to me

Please point these out.

i could get on board w/ a psyche policy lynch

I'd rather he just come back and provide some analysis, but if that doesn't happen, I'd rather lynch an unreadable lurking IC than an inexperienced player.

[Joshz]

Hm is not as newbie as he is trying to look

[Loopdan]

Hm is not as newbie as he is trying to look

Explain.

[Joshz]

You can tell if you genuinely look at his behaviour. Iso him.

[Loopdan]

OK. I already said I wasn't buying it based on his language usage.

I thought maybe you'd uncovered incontrovertible evidence.

[Hellfire Missile]

You can tell if you genuinely look at his behaviour. Iso him.

is this about my language use?

[Joshz]

So one guy is sring me for not showing emotion and another for too much. Good plan. The lynch pool today imo is Hellfire Missile, Howard, Psyche and jackel. I'm fairly confident both scum are in that pool.

Isn't that like almost all the people who voted for you?

Psyche defended me and you didn't vote me until after I voted you.

Btw, if you're scum that clears jackel, Howard, and psyche to me. I don't see scum you playing like this with an se/IC as a partner because they'd give you actual advice and even guide you, whereas all you've done this game is ask a billion questions and scum read the guy scum reading you. I don't think you're an expert, I think you're a person that's played a few times elsewhere who rolled scum and is now acting like a complete noob to throw off the scent. Your partner is likely Sobolev if you are scum. If you aren't scum, stop treating mafia like a book. Day 1 especially is a glorified guessing game, there's no genuine information. Stop trying to make a joke about me using gut reads because that's all day 1 really is. Gut reads and scum trying to influence those gut reads off of themselves.

[Joshz]

OK. I already said I wasn't buying it based on his language usage.

I thought maybe you'd uncovered incontrovertible evidence.

Nah no evidence, just a feeling. @ hm: your general attitude and language as my above post explains.

[Locust]

@Locust: I had a hiatus from the site for a few years, so I cannot attest to any activity tell. Some players will post 10 one liners per RL day with little content. I feel that it can generally only be used as a stitch to close a case or a policy lynch.
Game pace always seems weird to me: too slow when I have time; too fast when I am away for a bit.
IMHO, the blow up and exit of your predecessor was raw enough to keep people from just quick lynching. If it had made it to L-1, the hammer might have been swift and probably a good D2 analysis.

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I'm good for hanging Human Sequencer (current vote) or Psyche (policy) today. Joshz is becoming a candidate again.

Its day one if policy lynch for inactivity is as good as we get then that's what I would go with. I do agree that just spamming to get a post count up is just as bad as not posting maybe a little more telling but still anti town. Although he has been poked and I am not in a rush to lynch as long as we choose someone before the days end.

I find this quote followed by Psyches period of absence to be interesting as well.

I think policy lynching and similar bad habits are part of

why

Day 1 in Newbie games results in so many mislynched town.

As I said before i think Joshz is town although it will be interesting going back to this analysis if Psyche was to be lynched and flipped scum.

@Human Sequencer: So you believe (after Psyche calls it) that Joshz is just the village idiot, yet haven't really done much to forward anything else.
In post 55, Human Sequencer wrote:
I don't let up.
201 you seem to be claiming that your vote is actually creating pressure and moving the game forward. You sat on the Joshz wagon then hopped off as it really began to build to chase an absent player.
VOTE: Human Sequencer

[Joshz]

stop lurking and start posting everyone gdi

[Human Sequencer]

VOTE: psyche
wit's end

[Sobolev Space]

Been busy all day. Just skimmed the thread. Will have time for a more thorough reading probably tomorrow when I'm done with all my work.

Some thoughts: Locust has had much townier posts and is being active. Tone is still a little too conciliatory for my liking. Much better than his predecessors though. Keeping my vote here for now mostly because I have no better reads.

Joshz has had some suss activity including the "if you have your vote on Locust right now get it off or you're scum" (paraphrased) comment. Seems indicative of a mindset more focused on being viewed as scum than trying to find scum. Will have to look through his posts more carefully later. Joshz was originally a town read but has been bumped down to null.

Unless Psyche has a flurry of activity soon a Psyche lynch seems pretty justified to me.

[Joshz]

It is trying to find scum, it's basic PoE rofl I can't believe I have to explain that of all things.

[Locust]

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Some thoughts: Locust has had much townier posts and is being active. Tone is still a little too conciliatory for my liking. Much better than his predecessors though. Keeping my vote here for now mostly because I have no better reads.

I guess conciliatory is my natural style. I am more inclined to see town being jittery rather scum malice especially on day one when there is less to go on.

With that said I still had a scum read on you and still have an unanswered question about who you would want to lynch tomorrow if my wagon was successful?

Unless Psyche has a flurry of activity soon a Psyche lynch seems pretty justified to me.

Out of everyone in the game right now who do you think is the scum team just on gut alone if nothing else? As of the last vote count we had 5 days left (

@mod is this posted daily, when votes change significantly or just when you have time?

) so still time for Psyche to be replaced or contribute meaningfully. I have my vote there at the moment and would be happy to keep it there if nothing has changed my opinion closer to the deadline. I am not in a super rush to end the day for any reason. Especially with the low activity making hard to read people.

[Sobolev Space]

Sigh. I'm up at 3AM doing work might as well check this game. I'm pretty sleep deprived so feel free to ask for clarification if I word anything confusingly or am not making sense.

I guess conciliatory is my natural style. I am more inclined to see town being jittery rather scum malice especially on day one when there is less to go on.

With that said I still had a scum read on you and still have an unanswered question about who you would want to lynch tomorrow if my wagon was successful?

I actually think my style (at least in f2f games I've played) is pretty conciliatory and passive too which is why I'm trying to apply more pressure on people and see how they react this game (we'll see how it works out lol). I think town passivity has been a big problem though and am not sure how we all should address it.

As to your question: if I knew with 100% certainty right now that you were town I would be kinda at a loss for reads (as I am now). I would probably go with some of my gut reads (see below) or want to lynch HM/Psyche for not contributing.

If we lynched you and you flipped scum I could see a convincing argument for Sequencer being your partner.

Out of everyone in the game right now who do you think is the scum team just on gut alone if nothing else?

The past few pages I've actually had a bit of a gut read on Loopdan as scum but I can't see any super scummy posts of his jumping out at me. I'll do a more careful analysis of this tomorrow when I have time to see if my priors are at all justified. Aside from that I think Sequencer leans a bit scum for reasons HR has pointed out. I could see a Loopdan/Jackel scumteam or Sequencer with someone like Psyche or HM. I said above that Joshz is null for me but I really can't see Joshz as a scumbuddy with anyone in the game rn. Again, all of this is just gut so take it with a grain of salt until we have more info.

As of the last vote count we had 5 days left (

@mod is this posted daily, when votes change significantly or just when you have time?

) so still time for Psyche to be replaced or contribute meaningfully. I have my vote there at the moment and would be happy to keep it there if nothing has changed my opinion closer to the deadline. I am not in a super rush to end the day for any reason. Especially with the low activity making hard to read people.

Agree with this 100%. I think we should give Psyche the benefit of the doubt if he starts to make more posts or gets replaced. A day 1 mislynch on the IC slot is basically the best case scenario for scumteam so we should avoid it if we can. Unfortunately, unless Psyche picks up or gets replaced we might have no better option.

[Loopdan]

Sigh. I'm up at 3AM doing work might as well check this game. I'm pretty sleep deprived so feel free to ask for clarification if I word anything confusingly or am not making sense.

I guess conciliatory is my natural style. I am more inclined to see town being jittery rather scum malice especially on day one when there is less to go on.

With that said I still had a scum read on you and still have an unanswered question about who you would want to lynch tomorrow if my wagon was successful?

I actually think my style (at least in f2f games I've played) is pretty conciliatory and passive too which is why I'm trying to apply more pressure on people and see how they react this game (we'll see how it works out lol). I think town passivity has been a big problem though and am not sure how we all should address it.

As to your question: if I knew with 100% certainty right now that you were town I would be kinda at a loss for reads (as I am now). I would probably go with some of my gut reads (see below) or want to lynch HM/Psyche for not contributing.

If we lynched you and you flipped scum I could see a convincing argument for Sequencer being your partner.

Out of everyone in the game right now who do you think is the scum team just on gut alone if nothing else?

The past few pages I've actually had a bit of a gut read on Loopdan as scum but I can't see any super scummy posts of his jumping out at me. I'll do a more careful analysis of this tomorrow when I have time to see if my priors are at all justified. Aside from that I think Sequencer leans a bit scum for reasons HR has pointed out. I could see a Loopdan/Jackel scumteam or Sequencer with someone like Psyche or HM. I said above that Joshz is null for me but I really can't see Joshz as a scumbuddy with anyone in the game rn. Again, all of this is just gut so take it with a grain of salt until we have more info.

As of the last vote count we had 5 days left (

@mod is this posted daily, when votes change significantly or just when you have time?

) so still time for Psyche to be replaced or contribute meaningfully. I have my vote there at the moment and would be happy to keep it there if nothing has changed my opinion closer to the deadline. I am not in a super rush to end the day for any reason. Especially with the low activity making hard to read people.

Agree with this 100%. I think we should give Psyche the benefit of the doubt if he starts to make more posts or gets replaced. A day 1 mislynch on the IC slot is basically the best case scenario for scumteam so we should avoid it if we can. Unfortunately, unless Psyche picks up or gets replaced we might have no better option.

Someone remind me to comment on this post after Psyche makes a game-advancing post or is replaced.