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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:20 am

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wow that chart looks brilliant ZZZX

Here are my inputs

ProHawk+ZZZX
Secret Agent Jin +Gamma Emerald
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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:50 am

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We need picks from Tenshii and Dunhallym 10/28 Scumteams have been eliminated.
ZZZXDunhallymProHawkTenshiiSecret Agent JinGamma EmeraldArcAngel9Jaack
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Gamma/ArcAngel Pick
ProHawk pick
DunhallymX
Jaack Pick
ProHawk
Gamma/ArcAngel Pick
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Jaack Pick
Jin Pick
Tenshii
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ProHawk/ZZZX pick
Gamma Pick
Secret Agent Jin
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ArcAngel Pick
Gamma Emerald
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ArcAngel Pick
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Jin Pick
ZZZX Pick
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:10 am

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I suppose there is no point in me giving reasons why I think it was better to wait a few days.
Anyway, my picks were
Gamma Emerald and Secret Agent Jin

Tenshii and ZZZX

One repeat as well.

I'll have a few questions for some of you but it will have to wait until I get home.
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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:11 am

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Can someone help me understand where are we heading with this matrix ?

How does this help in isolating scum team? I am very confused with the thought process behind this.
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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:32 am

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It may not be of too much help D1 tbh, but we need to fill it out now so scum has as little info as possible to make their clears.

I'm not going to go into much more until tenshii reveals his picks, but I have a few ideas.
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:09 am

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Okay. But we wouldn't know if Scum lurks and lets everyone to share their information. Isn't it?
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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:00 am

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Votecount 1.1
Votecount 1.1


[1] Jaack - ZZZX
[0] ArcAngel9
[1] Gamma Emerald - ProHawk
[1] Secret Agent Jin - Secret Agent Jin
[0] Tenshii
[2] ProHawk - Dunhallym, Gamma Emerald
[0] Dunhallym
[2] ZZZX - Jaack, Tenshii

[0] Nolynch

Not voting: ArcAngel9

8 players are alive and 5 votes is needed to reach majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-12-03 16:00:00)
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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:42 am

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Gamma, who else is scum?
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:01 am

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In post 25, ProHawk wrote:This game setup seems pretty straight forward. Being able to lynch based off of probabilities is best and with a complete matrix of choices makes our odds of hitting scum that much better, not to mention clearing town when we nail scum in a pair. ZZZX, your method seems too convoluted when it doesn't need to be so. Lying doesn't seem to benefit scum from what I can tell, after all the only thing the matrix offers is probability and not absolutes, so there is that...

Scum Team can't be:

ZZZZX and Secret Agent Jin
OR
ArcAngel9 and Tenshii

I'm pretty sure scum wouldn't want the game to be "solved"...

VOTE: Dunhallym

This IS scum-hunting darling! Oh and if I am starting the popcorn. You are next! It's too bad I didn't get you in my picks, however someone else may have.
Prohawk... What makes you that your picks can't be scum. I not getting your logic. We are still building the matrix. How can you be so sure?
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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:04 am

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Well, if my pick was scum, it auto confirms the other partner as town... im not sure where you are getting the "my picks can't be scum?" bit
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:24 am

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As promised a couple questions

ArcAngel9

You initially didn't comment on Jaack's post about claiming the picks. Then you come back and immediately join in with the crowd by giving your picks without commenting any on the discussion that's been going on before. And then you question what it brings.
If you don't see the worth of it, why did you rush to claim? Have you not given it any thoughts when you signed up for the game?


@Gamma

I don’t mind that much that you acknowledged good arguments on both sides as I’ve been going back and forth on what was the best strategy. What I don’t like is the impression that you didn’t try to come up with your own arguments, and agree with Prohawk that it looks like sheeping. And I dislike even more the way you jumped in right after SAJ had. You seemed to be weighing things up to this point, why did you then rush? Can you elaborate on what makes you think Prohawk is scummy?

@ZZZX:
In post 44, ZZZX wrote:only disadvantage of claiming (or advantage depending on how things are) would be making scum kills controlled. advantage is that they are wel... controlled.
disadvantage is that it disallows us from using hte claims system since the scum can get late game with barely any cleared pairs
I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying. Can you enlighten me?

@everyone

I've never played with any of you so my picks were "chosen" randomly. Did some of you really chose teams based on other factors and if yes what motivated your choices. No need to answer if you used random.
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:25 am

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One team was peopke I knew
One was people I didn't know
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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:31 am

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In post 61, Gamma Emerald wrote:One team was peopke I knew
One was people I didn't know
And for my other questions?
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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:33 am

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I chose randomly.
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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:39 am

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In post 60, Dunhallym wrote:
@Gamma

I don’t mind that much that you acknowledged good arguments on both sides as I’ve been going back and forth on what was the best strategy. What I don’t like is the impression that you didn’t try to come up with your own arguments, and agree with Prohawk that it looks like sheeping. And I dislike even more the way you jumped in right after SAJ had. You seemed to be weighing things up to this point, why did you then rush? Can you elaborate on what makes you think Prohawk is scummy?
I did it after SAJ because Pro just interjected it in. Once SAJ did it I realized it was happening and said mine.
Prohawk felt scummy because he didn't seem to be trying to help. It's mainly a tone read.
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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:43 am

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The meaning behind what i meant was that scum will choose the target which has less possible scum teams to kill instead of killing high priority targets which is good for saving those. but also bad for "using" teh matrix as we would have less clears. but overall works well.
Implosion: I see ZZZX was
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The Bulge: ZZZX is ZZZX
Get to know a ZZZX: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=58733
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Post Post #66 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:45 am

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Removed copy of 67 with broken tags.
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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:46 am

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In post 66, ZZZX wrote:
ZZZXDunhallymProHawkTenshiiSecret Agent JinGamma EmeraldArcAngel9Jaack
ZZZXX
Gamma/ArcAngel Pick
Dunhallym Pick
ProHawk pick
DunhallymX
Jaack Pick
ProHawk
Gamma/ArcAngel Pick
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Jaack Pick
Jin Pick
Tenshii
Dunhallym Pick
Jaack Pick
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ProHawk/ZZZX pick
Gamma Pick
Secret Agent Jin
ProHawk pick
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ArcAngel Pick/Dunhallym Pick
Gamma Emerald
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ArcAngel Pick/Dunhallym Pick
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Jin Pick
ZZZX Pick
ArcAngel9
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Jin Pick
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Jaack
Jin Pick
Gamma Pick
ZZZX Pick
X
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:47 am

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i have a plan in mind but we will need the last person to claim first now i think
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The Bulge: ZZZX is ZZZX
Get to know a ZZZX: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=58733
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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:23 am

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I've never played with any of you so my picks were "chosen" randomly. Did some of you really chose teams based on other factors and if yes what motivated your choices. No need to answer if you used random.
My Gamma and Arc pick was deliberate because i have played with them before and i wouldn't like a team made from those two. My ProHawk and Jaack pick was totally random.
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Post Post #70 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:51 pm

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What's your problem with scum!me?
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Post Post #71 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:55 pm

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In post 70, Gamma Emerald wrote:What's your problem with scum!me?
Take it as a compliment
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Post Post #72 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:02 pm

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My picks were random. ((Dunhallym + Jaack)) ((Gamma Emerald + ZZZX))

Also I'm kinda nitpicking but I think the word "pick" is redundant in the chart and makes the chart unnecessarily bigger.
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Post Post #73 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:03 pm

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Kinda neat that fmpov Gamma can only be scum with Dunhallym.
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Post Post #74 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:05 pm

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Oh yeah. I also hate the argument for using probabilities as a means for lynching.
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