Mini 1852 - Werewolves and Jester win!

[drealmerz7]

...we were in an observer chat together during the MU tourny mhsmith...I didn't participate much though...

[mhsmith0]

oh, cool. yeah that was fun.

[mhsmith0]

looking at stranger a bit more:

dislike 48, tentative; ditto 97, with a poor question in that post
the on/off interaction with dreal was basically null on him; it's fakable, but at least suggests actual curiosity with respect to his alignment
224 is an easy post to make, but is still a decent post
229 basically where I'm at
262 is ok, by itself not hugely meaningful but suggests at least SOME curiosity about his stated suspect. would have been better with follow-up

overall nothing impressive, but nothing that really makes me want to lynch him either
UNVOTE:

[mhsmith0]

Snarky, Drone and McMenno are all lurkers with basically zero content. Snarky probably the worst of them (26 was bad, 237 was the closest thing to content and it was just a beetlejuice'd response). I don't really love lurker lynching, barring a better defined PoE, although frankly with the sheer quantity of people being completely useless I don't know that it's a terrible idea to go there. Need to re-look at klingon/gamma next.

[mhsmith0]

Gamma
166 is an OMGUS
169 calls 167 a misrep, but it seems pretty plausible that it was just a misunderstanding of the point being made
197 a decent post
259 may be a bit reachy, but I don't think it's a bad defense of dreal. kuroi's case seems to be basically a null thing, rather than actively scummy behavior from dreal
289 an ok question on dreal; he's engaging with people who are engaging with dreal, which suggests that he's got curiosity about why people are reading dreal (I'd guess dreal is null to him since he was poking at people saying good or bad things on him)

Klingon
41 not a great post
63 null - possible OMGUS, possible attempt to actually engage with critical thinking
64 - really easy vote on a lurker who didn't have votes on him
138/140 basically an RVS type post
200 suggests it's a serious vote though
233 a different easy vote on a lurker

[mhsmith0]

I want to skim a couple of different games from gamma, but at least at current glance I don't especially hate what he's done so far. I'm currently inclined to lynch inside klingon and snarky, which are both kind of lurker lynches, but there are enough lurkers that at some point we have to clear them out.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well you have the advantage of having modded me once.

[mhsmith0]

OTOH Hiraki is a pretty solid town read of mine, so I'll let him re-sell the Gamma case if he wants. Jaack seems to be bandwagoning, not sure how strongly he believes in it, and something tells me I'm not going to hear a tremendous amount from PUPPER on the subject

[mhsmith0]

Well you have the advantage of having modded me once.

Oh yeah that game was hilarious. You guys managed the impressive imperfect perfect win, and in less than a week of real time.

[drealmerz7]

I hate lurker lynches on D1 but this is looking like it could be one of those games where at least some pressure application on a lurker is going to be necessary to generate much more for the Day.

or we could no lynch! I know suggesting that gets me TR hard...

[Jaack]

OTOH Hiraki is a pretty solid town read of mine, so I'll let him re-sell the Gamma case if he wants. Jaack seems to be bandwagoning, not sure how strongly he believes in it, and something tells me I'm not going to hear a tremendous amount from PUPPER on the subject

I'm not super strong on gamma at all but he's on the scumside of things for me right now and I'd much rather people talk about that then more about PUPPER.

But I do see a few posts from Gamma that feel more like someone fake scumhunting than really scum hunting. 197 in particular looks more like a diversion than a real question.

[Gamma Emerald]

I hate lurker lynches on D1 but this is looking like it could be one of those games where at least some pressure application on a lurker is going to be necessary to generate much more for the Day.

or we could no lynch! I know suggesting that gets me TR hard...

no it doesn't
it gives me a lynchboner for you

[mhsmith0]

I hate lurker lynches on D1 but this is looking like it could be one of those games where at least some pressure application on a lurker is going to be necessary to generate much more for the Day.

or we could no lynch! I know suggesting that gets me TR hard...

no it doesn't
it gives me a lynchboner for you

Meh, it's an open suggestion of a mechanically poor idea. I'd say it's basically null on drealmerz. Why would it make you especially high on his lynch? Towns have daft ideas all the time.

[Gamma Emerald]

I hate lurker lynches on D1 but this is looking like it could be one of those games where at least some pressure application on a lurker is going to be necessary to generate much more for the Day.

or we could no lynch! I know suggesting that gets me TR hard...

no it doesn't
it gives me a lynchboner for you

Meh, it's an open suggestion of a mechanically poor idea. I'd say it's basically null on drealmerz. Why would it make you especially high on his lynch? Towns have daft ideas all the time.

He is defying the Church of Kail!
But seriously I doubt there is any mechanic that makes NLing beneficial right now.

[mhsmith0]

Right, it's basically a dumb idea. What makes his dumb idea wolfy instead of just dumb?

[drealmerz7]

statistic:

drealmer suggests no-lynch on D1 9/10 times! scum or town! just to gauge reactions usually, or, ya know, if I'm a cop

it's a bastard game, I'm up for anything though, including no-lynch, as horrible of an idea as it typically is, this game is a NO STANDARDS FREE-FOR-ALL!!! I mean as long as you can justify it as town, and I do, because it's a bastard game and who knows, maybe no-lynch gives us a boon?!

I played a bastard game once where the only way to win was to no-lynch...otherwise the inept doctor kept killing all of their targets thinking 'omg I failed my save AGAIN?!' and we kept thinking there was scum in the game because of the deaths. Good times.

[Gamma Emerald]

Right, it's basically a dumb idea. What makes his dumb idea wolfy instead of just dumb?

The fact he suggested it immediately suggests he has incentive to do it.
If you can give me a solid town incentive to do it I'll reconsider.
And I'm not as hard on lynching him after Kuroi's push: I was just saying suggesting NL is not a way to get townread (and the last guys I saw initiating a NL was scum)

[Gamma Emerald]

statistic:

drealmer suggests no-lynch on D1 9/10 times! scum or town! just to gauge reactions usually, or, ya know, if I'm a cop

it's a bastard game, I'm up for anything though, including no-lynch, as horrible of an idea as it typically is, this game is a NO STANDARDS FREE-FOR-ALL!!! I mean as long as you can justify it as town, and I do, because it's a bastard game and who knows, maybe no-lynch gives us a boon?!

I played a bastard game once where the only way to win was to no-lynch...otherwise the inept doctor kept killing all of their targets thinking 'omg I failed my save AGAIN?!' and we kept thinking there was scum in the game because of the deaths. Good times.

That's actually very interesting thank you for sharing.

[mhsmith0]

Right, it's basically a dumb idea. What makes his dumb idea wolfy instead of just dumb?

The fact he suggested it immediately suggests he has incentive to do it.
If you can give me a solid town incentive to do it I'll reconsider.
And I'm not as hard on lynching him after Kuroi's push: I was just saying suggesting NL is not a way to get townread (and the last guys I saw initiating a NL was scum)

I don't know there's a solid town incentive, but I don't know that there's a solid wolf incentive either. It just puts him out in front and center for relatively easy pushes against. I guess you could argue as wolf he might be doing it to "catch" someone making a shady push on him, or simply to be seen as doing something, but it seems needlessly convoluted to me.

[Gamma Emerald]

I actually have a solid townread on dreal now (based on associations).

[mhsmith0]

What changed between 311 and now? A re-read or just this back and forth?

[drealmerz7]

It just puts him out in front and center ... needlessly convoluted to me.

hey, you're describing my playstyle!! almost - not needless! but necessary! I mean, look around! PUPPER is generating the next most content!!! FUCKING PUPPER!!!

I swear I'm going to grill that dog before this game is over...

[Gamma Emerald]

statistic:

drealmer suggests no-lynch on D1 9/10 times! scum or town! just to gauge reactions usually, or, ya know, if I'm a cop

it's a bastard game, I'm up for anything though, including no-lynch, as horrible of an idea as it typically is, this game is a NO STANDARDS FREE-FOR-ALL!!! I mean as long as you can justify it as town, and I do, because it's a bastard game and who knows, maybe no-lynch gives us a boon?!

I played a bastard game once where the only way to win was to no-lynch...otherwise the inept doctor kept killing all of their targets thinking 'omg I failed my save AGAIN?!' and we kept thinking there was scum in the game because of the deaths. Good times.

This post.

[drealmerz7]

jaack's got a big mouth, but, it's all hot air

[Gamma Emerald]

It just puts him out in front and center ... needlessly convoluted to me.

hey, you're describing my playstyle!! almost - not needless! but necessary! I mean, look around! PUPPER is generating the next most content!!! FUCKING PUPPER!!!

I swear I'm going to grill that dog before this game is over...

You have 10X his amount of posts.