Newbie 1759 (Game Over)

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Ok.

VOTE: Nobita

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I've had a second page lynch. Overrated.

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Towniest

Nobita
Selynee (mostly gut)
Giga
Friend
Zito, PP, Nips
Fredrick

Scummiest

Sorry...explain what puts Zito and I in the scumlean column given that I have literally only posted twice during the RVS stage and Zito just joined us. Like...not sure why either of us would be anything other than null right now.

And if people could stop "FoSing" that would be great. Thx.

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Makes more sense then. Be back in a few once I've read through.

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Towniest

Nobita
Selynee (mostly gut)
Giga
Friend
Zito, PP, Nips
Fredrick

Explain your FC townread, because I don't see it.

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He aint a townread, I just see him slightly townier than Fredrick,

you might as well put him under null reads.

I do not like both so far tho.

Bold in quote is mine for emphasis.

But, you didn't. You put him above your nullreads indicating town; and, now that I am questioning you on it, it shifts. Why is that?

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That's safe.

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This post is quite opportunistic as well, hypocrite.

Explain.

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Lynch fredrick already. So opportunistic

Explain.

No. His makes sense given your vote history. So....explain.

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Well, given you've voted half the players in the game, most of which are basically naked votes...yeah. That. That's bad.

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@PenguinPower
You aren't going to reply my post?

then i here i give some massage to excite you toward my question

FOS:PenguinPower

日本人ですか?

Sorry...didn't really pay attention to that. I asked the question because rJ was assigning seemingly scum leans to people who didn't post much, if at all. That's weird, especially given the timing of game start. Sorry if they didn't call that out, but I wanted to hear an actual rationale as to why from rJ...which he did not have and rearranged his reads from.

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Seriously...can we please stop "FoSing"

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Complaint because him leaned scum from people lack activity are not weird at all.

Because the game started over an American holiday weekend - and weekends alone are notorious for decreased activity - so...yeah. It's weird.

Why do you dislike FoS?

Because it does nothing, and allows scum to throw shade and distance from their partners without having to take a hard stance. If you're going to FoS someone, vote them instead (unless it would be a hammer, then claim intent).

How is that bad?

While I enjoy the occasional naked vote myself, voting lots of people without posting good rationale is scummy. It makes it seem like you are just trying to get a vote to stick and turn into a wagon, when you don't really care who it's on.

BTW Penguin Power i translated these word" 日本人ですか?" and it meant for "Are you japanese?"
whats up with that? Do my Nobita name and ava made me so looking like japanese guy o.o

Um...yeah?

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Does anyone have anything to say?

Nope, time to lynch SugarNips.

Nah. He's got Nips in his name. Must be town.

I much prefer a Fred lynch.

VOTE: Fredrick E Campbell

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^
Naked vote in honor of Fred.

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Actually

I much prefer a Fred lynch.

Can you explain this plz

Initial push on rJ based on his RVS stuff is scum trying to push an easy mislynch - I didn't like his misrep on rJ being calm either, and his change of tune when called out on in. He unvoted when he met resistance. Then votes on you, but unvotes when he gets a little resistance. It looks to me like he's trying to get something to stick.

Prime example: Fred's response to the Nips on why Fred's vote on you was bad met with a "this indeed is very debatable," but instead of debating he unvotes. Bad.

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Fredrick at l-1. Time to explain your play up till now. I don't see anyone taking his vote off you soon so maybe even a claim. To the others, do not hammer without intent or giving him the chance to speak up. Well if you're scum go have a bit off.

He's not at L-1. FC hopped over to Zito.

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Screw me if PP is scum ( little paranoia since I see him as a decent mafia player ). If Fred flips town it'll only be fair to have a closer look on him, same goes for me obviously, but well, can't question myself.

Don't do this as town. This reads as scum trying to setup a mislynch for D2.

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No it doesn't?? In a micro, looking into the people on a mislynch wagon the next day is just normal play. It's not like he's saying that one of {PP, Frederick} has to be scum (which would actually be fallacious logic and bad play to avoid). Plus the invitation to look into him should make it obvious that that's not his motive...

And even then, I've seen town make posts like that more often than scum :/

Yes, it does?? Don't really care about your n= experience with it. There's no reason for town to start lining up next steps at this stage.

@bolded: That's why I said don't do it as town, and not "Town doesn't do that."

Also, this isn't a micro.

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L-1 now.

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But why not debate it? How do you propose that we find scum?

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^
Third naked vote.

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Also, your drop of rJ was waaaaay to easy.

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^
Third naked vote.

That vote isn't naked... :/

Also I went through Frederick's ISO and found only one naked non-RVS vote. Explain where you got three from?

How is it not? There was no other content associated with it. Naked.

Maybe I miscounted. I was drunk when I posted that.

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Asking "Why?" Does not explain the vote.

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Kinda my point. He should have explained to begin with so we didn't run through this exercise.

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No longer suspicious of Frederick. I was a bit pushy about that, sorry. I have a tendency to lock on to things.

Unvote, FNoS Frederick, FoS Zito

Why not? And why now Zito?

And, seriously, will people stop FoSing? Vote the guy if you think he's scummy.

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Hey, FC, answer please:

No longer suspicious of Frederick. I was a bit pushy about that, sorry. I have a tendency to lock on to things.

Unvote, FNoS Frederick, FoS Zito

Why not? And why now Zito?

And, seriously, will people stop FoSing? Vote the guy if you think he's scummy.

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Would also be cool to get a third votecount

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Why is Fred town? I'm not seeing it.

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Hey, Fred, any offsite experience?

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Penguin, why haven't you asked Zito how he feels about Frederick?

Penguin, why haven't you asked Zito how he feels about Frederick?

Should I have had? He seems pretty disinterested in him. Asked him questions that weren't answered, and he didn't push for answers.

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Post the readlist.

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Ew. Thx.

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Hey, Giga, isn't it cool how you have the least active newbies in your scum slots and the most active newbie in your town slots?

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No, no. I'm not doing that. Not worried about being lynched either. Just don't want newb!towns to get pocketed, and I don't like that readlist at all. Except sugar. That one is probably ok.

And, if you're going to try an pull that town POE crap this early on...well, I don't have a retort to that but it's poo.

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Fred and FC are too high.

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So is rJ. He's townish, but not conf!town.

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Fred and FC are not looking good to me, though it's probably only one between. My rJ-is-scum game was so inactive it was hard to get a good read, so I can't tell right now...town for me, so I'm not advocating a lynch today, but I'm not saying I want to take him to Lylo either.

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AND ANOTHER THING

i pull "town poe bs" in a lot of my games because it's my playstyle. when i get scumreads i push them but townhunting always comes first, especially in a gamestate like this

I don't like this.

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I'm really inactive on weekends...apologies for the terseness.

Entrance was weird - the first thing he commented on when there was a wagon forming was the fact that rXJr placed him (and several others) at a position that looked like nullscum in a readlist.

That was neither my entrance to the game, nor had it anything to do with a "forming wagon." rJ legit posted reads of people that - need I remind you he shifted easily upon my questioning - had not done anything to warrant needs in a format that did not indicate null.

Push on Frederick feels understated (and is on a player that seems easy to lynch) and he hasn't really done much to sort the other slots.

When you think you catch scum...do you a.) push scum or b.) push other reads?

also obviously this is new but i really hate his recent posts wrt to my reads, especially considering he has seen me play as town (from a moderator's perspective but still)

Disingenuous. I've seen you play town!PR. I have not seen you play town or scum. Why should I read you any differently, not knowing your meta? Not to mention, I witnessed from a mod standpoint, and not from real-time interaction. Blah.

like this is such a bad post ok

Skip to below.

Yeah, you can say that about the whole town but that's because most of town are newbies and aren't sure what to do. We and PP are supposed to be leading town when the gamestate is like this because we know how to play forum mafia.

Bullshit. I'm not an IC. I'm an SE, and I have no obligation to do shit. If I wanted to lead town, I would have /in IC'd.

Him disliking me focusing on townreads and using PoE as a starting point for scumreads doesn't make a lot of sense because he saw that I did that as town. I actually don't get any of the shade he's throwing at me and I think he should know a little better.

I don't dislike searching for town!reads - nor was my comment about disliking that - and going for POE. rb proves that's an effective strategy. I don't think that's what you're doing, however. Look at your town pool right now and tell me that isn't pocketing. From most active to least active. From most willing to debate you to least willing to debate you.

Nah. That's why I said it was bad.

VOTE: Gigabytetroubadour

You can consider that my last vote for D1.

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Oooh. Flail. Nice.

Like, that was a lot of words. Didn't mean much.

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If you mean, "Am I goingng to respond to the wall?" No. No, I'm not.

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Penguins love salmon. Let's lynch nips and then tunnel gigs after nips flips town. Cool with that.

Probs rJ after that.

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You really think nips is flipping town?

I do. And, gigs will flip red.

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Oooh. Flail. Nice.

Like, that was a lot of words. Didn't mean much.

If Penguin usually respond to walls, I'm scumreading him for this.

I don't. You can check my other games to see I hate walls.

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VOTE: PenguinPower

For the joke he made a couple posts above.

Sorry...was it that bad of a joke.

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My read on giga. Completely associative.

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Ok...probs not rJ. rJ is the one giga is trying to pocket the hardest.

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Oh...looks like Nips is at L-1.

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Intent to Hammer

Claim please.

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Penguins love salmon. Let's lynch nips and then tunnel gigs after nips flips town. Cool with that.

Probs rJ after that.

Let's lynch nips and then tunnel gigs after nips flips town. Cool with that.

Be less confused.

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Nips....top scum read (Since you aren't voting, who would you vote?) and town read at the moment?

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Meh...Nips had a full day, his time, to respond to me and didn't. Whatever.

VOTE: SugarNips[/b]

If you wake up before the mod locks, I'm curious as to your answers.

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HAHAHAHAHA...manual phone posting sucks.

VOTE: SugarNips

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Why not?

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Yep, because scum would totes want to hammer a claimed townread. They love that attention.

giga...you seem to think you got this solved, so Imma hand you the noose and you just go do your thing...k?

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Sorry your shot didn't go through, giga.

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Except, I'm not really sorry.

#sorrynotsorry

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Remind me why do we hate giga.

If it's already here someplace just link me tia.

They stole my cookies.

But really, because they are trying too hard, IMO, to be the "teacher" archetype with that "I'm here for you newbies as your teacher. I townread you all so trust me and let's POE this place up!" Then flat out saying, "bee-tee-dubs guys, POE is my playstyle so don't try and think it's scummy, even though it's D1 and I don't have any info or associations to base that on."

Trying too hard. Poor, Nips.

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PenguinPower, though, talked about disliking FoS because it allows scum players to distance themselves without taking hard stances while doing that to rJXr. Also hammered Nips but never seemed particularly enthused, beforehand, about joining a Nips wagon.

Not against but not actively for, and didn't push for - or even vote for - his supposed biggest scumread in giga

, which makes it look a bit as though he simply rode with what was going and hammered for townpoints.

VOTE: Gigabytetroubadour

Um...what, now?

Also...where did I FoS rJ.

Liking your vote though...let's get this going.

VOTE: giga

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1746, where you took your D1, first reads list top town, "there's so much of a gap between this read and my others" into Lylo with you for the win? Wow...strikingly different....

Also noticed the gif usage in retorting. So...what's different?

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i nightkilled roar what the hell are you talking about

i was scumreading everyone in lylo too?? all of the slots i townread were lynched

.gif usage was heavy that game because i just started collecting my gifs and wanted to use them. note that i also use some in the Mafia thread. i got bored of it kinda quickly and use them less often

Subject: Newbie 1746 (Game Over)

without reasons (and in order, top to bottom is town to scum, left to right indicates strength):

{Eeln} - Strong Town
{Roar, Shadow} - Townleans (yes there is that much of a drop)
{GM, Loop, spins} - these *feel* like townslots but something is off about all of them that i can't sort and i have no idea how
{Andhar} - Hard null
{Shubaka} - Scum

Sickofit replaced Eein (if I read correctly) whom you took to Lylo. No? Your partner was a null read. Safe.

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F'no...I'm not reading the entire game, so yeah, I'm skimming and looking for similarities...which there shouldn't be any right? Different meta, right?

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Hey, Selynee, what are your reads? Outside of your 11 posts, "RVS" vote, and vote for town!Nips...I'm not sure where you stand.

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Hey, Selynee, what are your reads? Outside of your 11 posts, "RVS" vote, and vote for

town!Nips

...I'm not sure where you stand.

VOTE: PenguinPower

way to rub salt in the wound holy shit

What? Truth hurts?

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Most likely town: Papa Zito
rJXr
GT
For the moment: Showtime
FC/Frederick

Don't know where to place you yet, PP.

Hmm. Fair enough.

Talk to me about FC.

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Ok.

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Because I'd like to hear from FC. And Fredrick before I vote.

Also, PP, I did gave you my reads. so could you please do the same?

I've kinda veered away from doing readlists...too much association that has to go into building them.

I do think you, Zito, and Showtime are pretty town though. rJ is leaning that way. Would love it if you would actually place a vote...that's one offputting thing.

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VOTE: PP

I just don't get how he could've supported that d1 lynch.

Really? I thought I made it pretty clear. Perhaps if you had been here then.

It wasn't a particularly useful slot.

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Have yours?

@mod: FC is due a prod, I believe.

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Well, that doesn't look good. Why are you suspicious of Zito, FC?

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PP, you've never answered GT's question regarding their townread on me.

Remind me what that was. I don't do walls very well.

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That tell not what I was trying to fling, though it has some association to activity (and, I was 80ish% accurate in that regard so... good enough for me). Do you not find it weird that giga has had you as a "gut" town read based solely on an RVS vote and this:

Easy, lets lynch them before replacement. I guess not having their names in bold means they didn't confirm?

Why? Wouldn't make more sense to hear from him/her (or his/her replacement)?

Would you town read you based on that?

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Hey giga...karnos and I come from the same HS. Not friends, per se, but we know each other and probably have a similar style. Sorry if its difficult for you to read.

Oh yeah...

UNVOTE:

@giga: You had FC as a town lean. What are your thoughts now?

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How is gigabyte scummy

Could you tell me? They were your "biggest" scum read a page ago. You sway easily.

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Fred: How is it not? The "easily" part is the concerning part.

p-edit

Ew.

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I don't know how I can rephrase so that you understand. Sorry. Btw...pretty sure you're town.

VOTE: FC

L-1

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@mod: V/LA until 12/12

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basically waiting on zito before i give intent

frederick, a readlist would be nice too, or at least a summary of where your head is at

2)Friend Computer - scum
3)gigabyteTroubadour - null
4)Papa Zito - null
5)Penguin Power - null
6)rJXr - null
7)Selynee - null
8)Showtime - null

This is bad...like bad bad. Why don't you have reads on anyone...if FC is scum, shouldn't his interactions with others give you some sort of feeling toward their alignment?

Oh, I'm back....hi!

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FOS: Fredrick

For only having one read.

Why is this not lynched yet?

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Well...this should be an easy solve then. Who am I sheeping today?

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Well hopefully our silent savior does another miracle play and ends up buying us a full day.

Bee-tee-dubs...this is yucky given that it was before the RB flip.

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Wow...lots happened overnight. Should I even place an intent?

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Nope.

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VOTE: Showtime

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F'no. I'd go down swinging.

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It's not me...so if it's not Showtime, I'm cool with lynching me first, then Zito.

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the game probably would have turned out much differently if we lynched Showtime D2 because I never got sidetracked by Penguin.

I always try to do my part

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Totally MVP.