Micro 660: Triplicate Mafia - Game Over

[Dunnstral]

No point saying howard is town because of a push from frank because he's town anyway if frank is

howard

mafia

[Gamma Emerald]

Why ask me that question if you were going to say "well obviously"?

[qubixes]

I thought I was voicing suspicions against you in my first post of that sequence:

Spoiler:

I read through the ISO's of my group (Lane+GL+DBW), and I'm pretty sure GL is scum (with the obvious caveat that all three of us might be town). He seems to be tiptoeing a bit too much, and his town and scum reads feel more like a salesman selling their wares.

can you highlight the specific posts that gave you the impression that I was tiptoeing

and why you say my reads "feel like a salesman"? That's a new one

If you're gonna say stuff that clearly doesn't hold up, I'm gonna call it out. What did you think this post was, if not suspicion?

You're only asking me to justify my reasons there, and even if there is an undercurrent of "I'm town, so you're wrong", wrong != scum unless you OMGUS literally everyone that attacks you.

I wanted to put out some content within the limited time I had available (which I indicated), realizing I might have to take some of it back, because I didn't have a good understanding yet of what was going on. The tip-toeing and salesman comments were my first impressions on reading your ISO, and I thought it would be beneficial putting it out, seeing what kind of reaction I would get. Hint: your reaction was pretty bad, voting me in apparent self-defense, when I wasn't even fully caught up.

I'm starting to get worried now that this may be a playstyle clash and you may be town, however, sentences like the last one just make me more confused and absolutely do not convey any kind of town alignment. You admit first that you "didn't have a good understanding" of what was going on, and when I call you out for exaggerating or throwing vague shade at me, you say my suspicion is "self-defense". When I flip green, how are you going to justify your push to other members of the town?

I think it was pretty clear from the thread that I wasn't completely caught up, so I couldn't have a thorough understanding. If it wasn't completely clear, then my bad. I have no problem with your questioning of my statements. I do have however a problem with the vote that follows, when I already have a vote on me, in combination with "I wanna see some flips". That tells me you're not really interested in figuring me out after all. You could have given me time to catch up, and give a proper justification of my "shade", and possibly voted after that if it was unsatisfactory, but you didn't.

I don't see how my attack is any different? How is any townie going to justify his push on another townie after the flip? I think my reasoning is solid, and if you were to flip town that would suck, but I fail to see how that would make me scum (apart from the statistical probability obviously).

[qubixes]

Honestly no idea what to think about the Gamma vs Dunn self-vote shenanigans. It's going to break my brain trying to solve that (WIFOM) puzzle...

[ArcAngel9]

Umm.. I find Gamma's argument on Dun is reasonable

Jin - are you up for Dun's lynch?

[Dunnstral]

Umm.. I find Gamma's argument on Dun is reasonable

But it's not

[Secret Agent Jin]

Jin - are you up for Dun's lynch?

Yeah, i voted gim because i wont vote you and i wont self vote so by that logic the only option left is my vote on Dunn.

[FrankJaeger]

Ok going to dive into this and share my thoughts.
Havent looked at VC as of writing this so no one hammer yet.

[Dunnstral]

Jin - are you up for Dun's lynch?

Yeah, i voted gim because i wont vote you and i wont self vote so by that logic the only option left is my vote on Dunn.

Not sure why - I think if anyones scum in our group it would be arc

[Secret Agent Jin]

Jin - are you up for Dun's lynch?

Yeah, i voted gim because i wont vote you and i wont self vote so by that logic the only option left is my vote on Dunn.

Not sure why - I think if anyones scum in our group it would be arc

How about this, you tell me why you think she is scum and ill tell you why i think she is town.

[Secret Agent Jin]

54 Her response seemed a bit town to me bur it was really early on and anything was possible.
62 This post continues to seem genuine and the second part seems town-based to me because lane was pushing yet she stays consistent.
65 This is the post that i start to really put a townlean on Arc
71 She puts herself out there and plays a very town game in my opinion

After my post in 145 and the BS test you setup for me, she could have easily jumped on me and followed you but she told us to be rational and calm down in 151 which isnt something scum would do IMO. She had plenty of chances to follow a vote on either of us but she tried problem solving and being reasonable.

I see her as Town!Arc

[FrankJaeger]

Still catching up but jin is looking scummy rn

[Secret Agent Jin]

Still catching up but jin is looking scummy rn

Is there reasoning behind my scumminess?

[Dunnstral]

Jin - are you up for Dun's lynch?

Yeah, i voted gim because i wont vote you and i wont self vote so by that logic the only option left is my vote on Dunn.

Not sure why - I think if anyones scum in our group it would be arc

How about this, you tell me why you think she is scum and ill tell you why i think she is town.

Most likely scum in our group because she's focused on getting a lynch on me and not any other group

[lane0168]

VOTE: qubixes

Sorry long weekend, I read through. Don't know if I'll get time to sort my thoughts before deadline, but guiltys lasts posts gives me a town read.

[Dunnstral]

UNVOTE:

[Not_Mafia]

Power

ArcAngel9 (0)-

Dunnstral (1)-

Secret Agent Jin

Secret Agent Jin (0)-

Not Voting (2)-

ArcAngel9, Dunnstral

Wisdom

FrankJaeger (0)-

HowardRoark (1)-

FrankJaeger

Gamma Emerald (1)-

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (1)-

HowardRoark

Courage

quibxes (2)-

GuiltyLion, lane0618

GuiltyLion (1)-

quibxes

lane0168 (0)-

Not Voting (0)-

Deadline is in

(expired on 2016-11-29 13:00:00)

- Nov 29th 13:00 GMT

[Dunnstral]

I think we should get howard/gamma in wisdom and arcangel in power

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
I think my gambit worked anyways.

[qubixes]

Wow.. Looks like Dunn was right after all... Ehm, good luck town?!

[qubixes]

For what it's worth, I could see lane's play being long term thinking who is an easier mislynch after GL/me dies. Of course I'm biased, but I think my play looks less scummy than GL's (also kind of evidenced by comments from others in my group). That in combination with his continued unwillingness to engage me, voting GL with a simple "looks town", just doesn't sit right with me. Anyway, it looks like I don't have to figure it out, so "yay" for me!

[ArcAngel9]

Jin - are you up for Dun's lynch?

Yeah, i voted gim because i wont vote you and i wont self vote so by that logic the only option left is my vote on Dunn.

there is no way you can be scum in my dictionary, especially after reading your last post.

If there is scum in our group, It has to be Dun.

[ArcAngel9]

23 hours left...

Any thoughts anyone else?

[qubixes]

No, not really. But it's L-2 at the moment, so you might want to vote so we can go to L-1 right now, so there's no scramble for lynch? Although it kind of works different in this game, it's maybe even more of a risk.

[Dunnstral]

Wow.. Looks like Dunn was right after all

Consider me buddied