Mini Normal 1839 - Dead/Spectator PT

[ironstove]

Sigh... so even if lowell gets lynched, math dies tomorrow, then it's penguin/saru/karnos/bji... That's so gross lol, they should definitely no lynch in that scenario and thin the herd because I know everyone is everyone's scum read in that pool.

@mod, what happens if scum opt for no kill and town no lynch indefinitely?

[Thor665]

Also, if you're going to state that I'm a weak/bad player despite me pushing to lynch you since D1, what does that imply about your scum play if a player you accuse of being bad is able to identify that you're scum? : )))))

Stop being antagonistic - the only way I've called you bad is in your rude play.
As to this current conversation I'm saying I don't think the players you're calling bad are bad - and if they are bad then they're equally bad to you.
If you're not bad, neither are they, and vice versa.

[Foxbird]

Sigh... so even if lowell gets lynched, math dies tomorrow, then it's penguin/saru/karnos/bji... That's so gross lol, they should definitely no lynch in that scenario and thin the herd because I know everyone is everyone's scum read in that pool.

@mod, what happens if scum opt for no kill and town no lynch indefinitely?

I'd say that after a certain amount of days and nights with no deaths, the game ends in a draw. I'd probably put the threshold at two cycles - so, after two no-lynch days and two no-kill nights, I'd call it. Would of course announce that to the players beforehand, probably after the first cycle with no deaths.

Is there a precedent for this? As in, how many cycles you let pass?

[ironstove]

Well on epicmafia, 2-3 nights of no lynch results in a meteor hitting the planet and the world ending, hence a draw.

I think a draw is a win in this situation for town, I'd gladly no lynch. SEE, NO LYNCHING IS GOOD HERE.

[callforjudgement]

It's mostly one of the things that mods just don't hope happen (and the players typically get bored of it before the mod does).

We could really do with having some sort of site-wide rule for handling the situation, as at the moment it normally depends on players feeling like doing it is against the spirit of the game, which arguably conflicts with the play-to-win rule.

[Nero Cain]

Nero, I'd really like you to chime in and just clarify for me if you could why you were town reading thor and scum reading me for the game? And at what point did you decide I was no longer a scum read?

I did find it rather strange you were no longer scum reading me, but still scum reading karnos. This was something that didn't connect with me, because I felt that the interactions between karnos/saru/thor would have made it clear that karnos/thor could not have been a scum team unless some masterful planning had been done by both parties (Which I considered when encryptor was flipped, but I opted to apply Occam's razor to this scenario and go with the less complicated route to reading the game).

I would genuinely like to understand what it was that I did that was scummy and what thor did that was towny from your point of view, like did you think I wasn't putting enough effort into the game? Did you think my reads and explanations were bad? Any specific actions? I think once I understand how people with your play-style operate, I can better understand what I need to do to improve my gameplay.

Well I didn't really buy into your Tracer case. The entire case on Tracer seemed to be "s/he was inactive" Tracer replacing out...yeah sometimes scum players tactically replace out but replacing out is generally null. For Thor he was agreeing with me about BJ so he was "pocketing" me as much as BJ was pocketing you. I also didn't really want to lynch a claimed Tracker on d2. I started scum reading you on d1 when you lulzally "threatened" to hammer Alpaca/BJ and I thought that would have been a decent reaction to a scum buddy getting wagoned. You were also avoided all my questions so you looked like scum that was dodging. Like when you started the whole "oh PP unvoted so there's no reason to lynch Alpaca." it seemed like pretty much avoidence...we also didn't really get any "information" from the wagon as you claimed so that was just odd.

I was kinda POE townreading you b/c I was kinda convinced that it was Karnos/PP/BJ. AI'd also like to add that I wasn't really scumreading FA. and I didn't really like your call for him to full claim when there was F all reason to do so.

[Nero Cain]

I'd also argue that you played just as "poorly" as me if not worse. You did play better than PP but its not like that's hard to do.

[ironstove]

Yes, if he full claimed I could have protected him for a day to get reads, I would have outed myself as bg if he had made a FC, but his refusal to do so made me never protect his slot. He wasn't playing cooperatively. Even greyice didn't bother to protect FA despite people initially believing that was the case.

[Nero Cain]

eh, there is a finite number of PRs in a mini so I was willing to wait and see. I think alot of players tend to forget that mafia is a marathon and not a sprint. If he claimed you just would have died n2 and him n3. The chances of him tracking scum to a kill are pretty low but it would have kept you from derp tunneling me but I still would have likely been mislynched with that great scum play from Saru and PP. You also wouldn't have been around to protect the IC either so I don't really think there'd be a huge change in the gamestate if he claimed tracker.

[Nero Cain]

And he/she/it hasn't posted a plan yet.

thogh chances are Math throws a hissyfit and starts to scumread BJ for this.

[Foxbird]

On an unrelated note: The main thread has disappeared from my bookmarks for some reason? Removing it and adding it again didn't work. What the heck?

[inspectorscout]

Yes, bookmarks and subscriptions seem not to work anymore, except from PT's

[Foxbird]

Oh. Fun.

[inspectorscout]

Its fixed now, tho

[Thor665]

Good to know, I was about to claim amazing powers

[GreyICE]

And he/she/it hasn't posted a plan yet.

thogh chances are Math throws a hissyfit and starts to scumread BJ for this.

To be fair it's fairly insulting.

And not in the "oh my gawd he called me a retard I'm so fucking triggered" sense that MS has been overrun by.

[Foxbird]

Aaaand Lowell joins us!

[inspectorscout]

Interesting.
I think the last mafia guy will just have to reelin his victory.

[GreyICE]

Summary: Policy lynch Lowell day 1 in every game a moderator allows him into.

[Foxbird]

Welcome, MathBlade!

And since it's LyLo, here's the rest of the spoilers:

Some have already guessed it right: bji is the last remaining scum.

[inspectorscout]

Lylo?

[Foxbird]

If they don't get the last scum, it's over, unless my math is totally off?

[Foxbird]

Oh I guess it's still just MyLo. Whoops.

I'm tired.

[MathBlade]

Welcome, MathBlade!

And since it's LyLo, here's the rest of the spoilers:

Some have already guessed it right: bji is the last remaining scum.

Spoiler:

Sorry guys. I hope I can see dead chat at some point I just don't see why Arona died. Wow Bji pocketed me so hard. Bji deserves this win.

I am used to the insults. Having my gender or play recognized is probably impossible here even with pronouns.

[MathBlade]

Kinda interested in why Arona was killed.

Without insults what was the best and worst thing I did? So I can get better?