Open 657: JK9++ (Game over)

[Creature]

Yeah, Tiger can't be 1-shot BP SK.

[Creature]

Actually I don't think any SK from the VT claims would rather be 1-shot BP.

[Creature]

Maybe only Fountain (now ScumDeers).

[Tiger moth]

There's something I need to go back and check on. Too late tonight so it will have to wait until tomorrow.

[Secret Agent Jin]

Who is more scummy to everyone, Tiger Moth or Deers? If we solve this question then we can be confident in lynching a non-townie today.

[MiniDeathStar]

Deers pushed bang's lynch. I know he could have been bussing (or the SK) but he could have gone for Kop, too (although that would definitely have made him scummy af at that point). Still, I can't ignore it, considering I never had a strong scumread on him beyond my theory involving alban's death. And that's pretty much a cold case now.

Tiger moth on the other hand has been super uninvolved this game. She had poor reads on Day 1, her case on Agent Jin wasn't *that* good, and she's been kind of unhelpful on Day 2 beyond the "Klingon suicided in alban" revelation. Honestly, I expected a lot more. The fact she hasn't been very scummy I could attribute to experience and lurking.

But like, please don't take my reads for granted when it comes to the final LYLO. I'm fairly sure I suck at this and I got somewhat lucky + let's be honest, bang was pretty scummy at the end of Day 2. I want to lynch the PR scum now, because we know it's not me and we know that if it's not Charlie then he can zap Creature.

I'm just concerned about that SK vest. It's going to be a very difficult decision if the vest is confirmed to protect from vengekills. Which I suspect it does, because the wiki page for gunsmith says that vengefuls possess guns, and I doubt they mean laser guns.

[MiniDeathStar]

Okay folks. Randomidget just confirmed to me in PM that vengeful kills bypass an SK's vest. Let's do this.

VOTE: Charloux

If you're not scum, please smite Creature in twilight.

[MiniDeathStar]

Actually, why am I in such a hurry.

UNVOTE: Charloux

We have a whole day to discuss. I kind of want to know what to expect tomorrow when I die.

[Secret Agent Jin]

I know the concept of why you are lynching Charl but you said before that Charl is the closest thing to conftown you have as a read. Like i said i understand why Charl is up for lynch but why not just lynch Creature?

[MiniDeathStar]

Few reasons.

1) If Creature is town, we'll lose the game by lynching him. We won't lose by lynching Charlie unless he fails to shoot scum.

2) Town!Creature could vig Tiger moth tonight and enter LYLO with himself as clear and you + Deers as the last villagers (if Tiger moth is town).

3) The only reason I thought Charlie was town up to now was his vengeful claim. Now that push has come to shove, I think it's time to make use of the vengeful power and simultaneously clear him.

4) The night kill on Kop makes way more sense if Charlie is scum than if the villager scum shot him.

[MiniDeathStar]

Like, basically lynching Charlie guarantees scum dies today, lynching Creature doesn't.

[Secret Agent Jin]

What if we lynch Charl and he flips vengeful town and shots Creature which flips Town Vig and this whole time you were scum/ak? What are other peoples opinions on this? Do you all think MDS could be scum that is hiding really well?

[Creature]

Maybe we should lynch at the villagers.

Kop kill suggests scum are looking for the SK.

[Creature]

Also, as long both SK and mafia are alive, we still can win by putting them in a dilemma.

[Tiger moth]

Okay folks. Randomidget just confirmed to me in PM that vengeful kills bypass an SK's vest. Let's do this.

So... My paranoia about you is now confirmed.

No mod is going to reply by PM to a question you asked in the thread, and even if you asked by PM as well no mod is going to give you privately information about another player's role without giving it to everyone else as well. If you really did get a PM about it that would mean you're either vengeful, which you can't be unless one or possibly two other players are lying, which is

very

unlikely, or you're the SK. If you didn't get a PM you could also be mafia, but I think that's less likely from your play.

[Creature]

We lynch SK, I'll vig MDS and then the next day we lynch Charl if MDS turns out to be town.
We lynch VT, I'll vig one of the VT claims, I believe mafia will also kill one of the VT claims and SK will most likely kill me to keep his identity a secret. If I'm wrong, the next day should be: 1:1:1 or 2:1:1

1:1:1 = Nolynch
2:1:1 = One town should try to get themself lynched

[MiniDeathStar]

Umm I asked several times in this thread and randomidget was not answering so I had to ask him in private. I'm sorry I can't share any communication between us, but it basically went like

- can an SK vest stop a vengeful kill?
- no it only stops nightkills

Just purely a mechanics question, no roles or anything.


@Creature: Umm why would we be lynching a villager when we have a 100% chance to get scum by lynching Charlie?

[Creature]

Your 100% chance means you being town, which we're not confident at.

[Tiger moth]

@ Creature: Who did you shoot last night?

[Creature]

lane0168

[MiniDeathStar]

We lynch SK, I'll vig MDS and then the next day we lynch Charl if MDS turns out to be town.
We lynch VT, I'll vig one of the VT claims, I believe mafia will also kill one of the VT claims and SK will most likely kill me to keep his identity a secret. If I'm wrong, the next day should be: 1:1:1 or 2:1:1

1:1:1 = Nolynch
2:1:1 = One town should try to get themself lynched

That is an absolutely terrible plan. We literally have a guaranteed scumkill if we lynch Charlie. Why are you opposing it?

[Creature]

Also, it's Day 3, not Day 2.

[MiniDeathStar]

Sooo question guys. Why do you suddenly think *I* am scum and not Creature or Charloux?

[Creature]

We lynch SK, I'll vig MDS and then the next day we lynch Charl if MDS turns out to be town.
We lynch VT, I'll vig one of the VT claims, I believe mafia will also kill one of the VT claims and SK will most likely kill me to keep his identity a secret. If I'm wrong, the next day should be: 1:1:1 or 2:1:1

1:1:1 = Nolynch
2:1:1 = One town should try to get themself lynched

That is an absolutely terrible plan. We literally have a guaranteed scumkill if we lynch Charlie. Why are you opposing it?

What if you are scum?

Charloux flips town and venges me. We're going into night as 2:1:1.

Also, going night with 2:1:1 is literally the worst thing, the probability of scum killing each other is low, but the probability of one scum killing the other is high (specially with you confscum), in which case we'll lose (1:1).

[Creature]

I didn't exclude you from being scum.