Micro 655: Forest Fire - Endgame

[BBmolla]

That said I have no fucking idea.

I do recall getting a shit ton of town Cobes from vifams post despite his tirade against me

[Vifam]

Yeah idk what to tell you guys

[Vifam]

I'm not really certain about anything anymore

[Vifam]

I'm not scum though so it's someone else

[Vifam]

Idk who but it's someone else

[ReubenWasFine]

Idk who but it's someone else

Yesterday you said you felt much better with a bb lynch over howard. If we covered our eyes and pretended the howard lynch didn't happen, wouldn't you be voting bb?

@cloud

With day 1 pr we should assume scum asked the mod if maria could self protect. If we haven't lynched an ignited townie and maria hasn't protected anyone we do not have any more mislynches.

[Flubbernugget]

Catching up now

[Flubbernugget]

I'm still not convinced bb is town

Are we at the point of risking quick hammers yet?

[CloudKicker]

D4: 6 town, 1 scum, MariaR ingited

D4 : 5 town 1 scum mariar + 1 town ignited

I revised my other post about mechanics as to see how much room we got left and in the worst case scenario we still got a ml, so 2 100% safe lynches since a town lynch outside ignited would go

D4 start: 5 town 1 scum, mariar + 1 town ignited

-> D4 lynch : 4 town, 1 scum, 2 ignited-> N4: 3 town, 1 scum, 3 ignited
D5 start: 3 town 1 sum 3 ingited -> D5 lynch: 2 town, 1 scum, 3 ignited ->N5: 1 town, 1 scum, 4 ignited
D6: LYLO

Technically we have 2 mls ?

Idk who but it's someone else

Yesterday you said you felt much better with a bb lynch over howard. If we covered our eyes and pretended the howard lynch didn't happen, wouldn't you be voting bb?

@cloud

With day 1 pr we should assume scum asked the mod if maria could self protect. If we haven't lynched an ignited townie and maria hasn't protected anyone we do not have any more mislynches.

Im pretty sure i counted that in my worst case, as if 1 townie outside was ingnited + mariar so 2 firefighter misses.

Yea okay i forgot 1 ingnited, technically i believe we have 1 mls then its mylo in worst case

[CloudKicker]

lylo*

[The_Jester]

So I've read the thread like 20 times and my head hurts. At first I thought scum not being able to kill instantly is a disadvantage for him but in the current situation it's only beneficial cause he just leaves everyone alive until the very end for wifom and blends in.
Honestly everyone here has some good posts and some which are absolutely ugly. I think lynching Fire D1 may actually turn out to be a curse cause I'd really use some more interactions to PoE.

[CloudKicker]

Town block is myself teapot and maria imo

[CloudKicker]

Currently rereading, i really doubt vifam is scum, he would have to be a really great player to pull off that tone as town

[The_Jester]

Maria and Reuben are town yeah but I'm not totally sure of you Cloud after re-reading tbh.
Tier had a lot of ugly flip-flopping, like this bit:

Okay

VOTE: the jester

Gotta trust in my own reads more

Let's do the perfect win thingie

Saying he needs to trust his reads while sheeping Reuben just seems so hypocritical. And that awkward comment about perfect win seems so off.

Then he sheeps Molla who said my lynch sucked

VOTE: ROARK

#beingindecisive

Again with an awkward justification.

And finally

VOTE: jester

I'm done with this day

Votes me again after Vifam states we can afford a ml.

I'm still hesitant if this was opportunistic scum or whether he just doesn't have a spine.

I'm also not sure if I believe your "genuine reads" in your catch-up post cause you spent a lot of time saying you townread people who were already confirmed town. Yeah, you said you "didn't see" but what proof do I have? For scum it's much easier to talk about townreads than scumreads.

Not liking this post either

@ jester, i dont know, i dont actually expect him to flip mafia from the deep of my heart, i just seriously believe that hes the best lynch atm and that its really really fine to use mls like that when you lynched mafia d1

But let's say I believe you're town. I think Vifam deserves the noose even more for his jumps on both me and Howard:

He's spent all game saying I'm town, even right before the lynch:

Jester is still town to me Im not sold on the case

Then he goes back to Molla whom he's been tunnelling whole game

Nah honestly nvm

BB is the best lynch for today

VOTE: BBMolla

And then he abandons his strongest scumread to lynch his STRONGEST FUCKING TOWNREAD

Honestly we can afford the mislynch Im sick of this

VOTE: TheJester

But that didn't stop him of doing literally the same shit again:

Randomly votes Tier:

VOTE: TierShift

Only to come back to his supposed lead sr:

Honestly Id feeel sooooooooooo much more comfortable if we did this


VOTE: BBMolla

And he jumps on Howard only hours later, just like he did with me:

VOTE: Howard

And now he admits he's got no scumreads cause hey no need to stand out when everybody's clueless, right?
People have townread him mostly for his "chill" attitude (which seems forged with posts like #555 and #577 or #584) and "not saying scummy stuff" but look at his actions: he didn't mean a single thing about his reads this game. If you lynched me for changing my mind about players then he deserves it even more cause I didn't lynch people so opportunistically.

And I don't think it's Flub anymore. It may be, he's not been especially towny but he hasn't done such scummy things as I mentioned right now.

[The_Jester]

If I had a vote, I'd be lynching Vifam today.

[CloudKicker]

I reread everything, flub made really a+ key post againts FA that i dont see scum doing and was first to vote him + the counterwagon <- should be clear no?

Teapot made A+ long ass books about why fire was mafia out of the fucking blue without any gain in the near future whatsoever, that would mean a complete bus for town cred, i believe he even invented the wagon on fire as a thing one time d1 when the fire scumread lost some steam <- i cant just lynch the guy

Vifam, idk, i think his tone was great all game and he constantly pushed FA all d1, he did a few things scummy like unvoting on him but i seriously think this is town too <- if hes scum, hes really good and did a great job imo

BB urg, it think i might want to want to lynch him idk, i feel like hes the most obvious mislynch ever but i kinda hard tr everyone else

This is harder than i thought

[CloudKicker]

@Jester yea i reread too and half tier's day was shiftier than i originally thought, still im most likely a better town player than him so you shouldnt worry, i also played a lot with mariar and imo she can read me correctly enough in em so no reason for her to not be able to read me here.

[CloudKicker]

@Jester

""I'm also not sure if I believe your "genuine reads" in your catch-up post cause you spent a lot of time saying you townread people who were already confirmed town. Yeah, you said you "didn't see" but what proof do I have? For scum it's much easier to talk about townreads than scumreads.

Not liking this post either

In post 668, CloudKicker wrote:
@ jester, i dont know, i dont actually expect him to flip mafia from the deep of my heart, i just seriously believe that hes the best lynch atm and that its really really fine to use mls like that when you lynched mafia d1"

When i voted mariar up to my 2 game-related post, it was all 100% genuine, i did townread you for the very first pages or so, like below 5 then i eventually checked the flips. This is all information that i give freely to the town to get them to read me better and understand my reads better with context. With my 2nd post with the flip, i said thats the moment i knew you fliped later into the day, theres really close to no insensitive to mafia to give this kind of info but you can bank that on you implying i could do this as town as to look genuine, implying it looked genuine etc. Bottom of line, even if im scum its not by nitpicking my post that you will find out

[CloudKicker]

From #712 to #716, i used 1h of my life at 5h am to reread 25 pages of forum mafia and all i outed from this, are that
1. im not sure the next lynch target is actually mafia and 2. that i actually somehwat townread everyone but bb. If i used that time as scum i wouldve come up with a solid ass post about why anyone on this table is scum and a good lynch, i wouldnt just hard tr everyone but the weakest link on table with a town ML, this is not my scum play

[The_Jester]

I don't like self-meta. But yeah I think I trust you for the time being. That being said, what's the final verdict on how many mislynches we have left? Let's assume we didn't lynch any ignited townies cause I definitely wasn't ignited- N1 Maria surely got targeted and I don't see Howard getting ignited either.
Vifam is the best choice for lynch, especially that if he's town (which I don't think he is), he surely got targeted as the most townread player for a long time. Molla, not likely.

[CloudKicker]

D4 start: 3 town 1 sum 3 ingited (atm worst case) -> D4 lynch: 2 town, 1 scum, 3 ignited -> D5: LYLO

if i am correct, this is the worst case scenario

[CloudKicker]

Hum that doesnt work, that was yday. D4: 2 town, 1 scum, 3 ignited -> D4 lynch: 1 town, 1 scum, 3 ingnited LYLO ? lol dope i think we are in lylo gimme a sec

[CloudKicker]

D1 start : 7 town, 2 scum -> D1 lynch : 7 town, 1 scum -> N1 : 6+1 town, 1 scum
D2 start : 6+1 town, 2 scum -> D2 lynch : 5+1 town, 1 scum -> N2 : 4+2 town, 1 scum
D3 start : 4+2 town, 1 scum -> D3 lynch : 3+2 town, 1 scum -> N3 : 2+3 town, 1 scum
D4 start : 2+3 town, 1 scum

ATM WORST CASE LYLO

I completely forgot 1 complete night in my initial post

[CloudKicker]

also i bet teapot is ignited, i wouldve as scum after mariar 100%

[ReubenWasFine]

BB: howard's town. who is scum?