Mini 1859: D&D Curse of Strahd Mafia - Game Over
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According to his profile he's 14 - he's just a kid screwing around. I try to avoid him but he seems to sign up for a lot of the games offered.In post 725, JasonWazza wrote:Anyone that plays with creature, is he just another SnarkySnowman?
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Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with the first part, mmkay?In post 727, Creature wrote:The difference is that I play to win, but I also play to have fun.-
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Must you repeat this non sequitur? You tried it once already.In post 729, Creature wrote:I'm not playing to win because I'm not wagoning Pine?-
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Pine In Your Head
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I've given my reasons.In post 724, Persivul wrote:
Why not? What are the town motivations for the claim?In post 722, Creature wrote:I don't see Pine claiming semi-BP as scum.
What are the scum motivations? Who would I be protecting myself from?"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Asking what the Town motivation for such an action is without considering scum motivations is both classic strawman argument and false dichotomy btw. You're inventing a one-sided argument that you can defeat in detail without regard to other implications, and you're also creating a Town/not Town dichotomy which isn't real. You're failing to consider the whole range of options. In addition to Town/Scum, there's also NAI, human error, Scum-pretending-Town, Town misreading the situation, and half a dozen interpretive variants.
There's no real reason for that claim as scum, unless I'm scum trying to look like a Town error. Doesn't stand up to Occam."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Yes, and they're bad - but I'm asking Creature.In post 731, Pine wrote: I've given my reasons.
As previously noted, a scum motivation is to establish a reason for not being NK'd.What are the scum motivations? Who would I be protecting myself from?-
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Think: What does the semi-BP claim get me?
That's a much more incisive question.
Jason, this is qhy your questions were bullshit. They don't speak to motive or reasoning, they spoke to process and method under the guise of mindset, while not actually providing either. The initial softclaim was anerror, one which I shouldn't have made regardless of alignment. I'm just trying to clean up my mess and not lose Town a PR at this point.
PEdit: Bullshit. The reason is to not GET night killed. If I wanted to explain after the fact, I'd claim later, not needlessly complicate things now."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Not considering scum motivations? Scum motivation was given in 457 and repeated in 474.In post 732, Pine wrote:Asking what the Town motivation for such an action is without considering scum motivations is both classic strawman argument and false dichotomy btw.
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It's pretty weak. Mostly a general read on his attitude and his apparent motivation to gamesolve.culted wrote:Pine, why are you townreading kuror?
PEdit: I'm not misrepping you, I don't think it's valid. Why the fuck would I do that?"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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You said scum motivation wasn't being considered, and a one-sided argument was being created.In post 737, Pine wrote:PEdit: I'm not misrepping you, I don't think it's valid. Why the fuck would I do that?
Now you say that scum motivation has been considered, but you don't think it's valid.
You misrepped me. Now you're changing your story - as you've done on other issues.-
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Scum motivation has not beenfairlyconsidered, from my perspective. I find your reasoning to be utter nonsense that does not hold up to Occam, nor does it actually provide the protection you're talking about. Scum just doesn't do that.
The absence of an adverb does not misrepresentation make."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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That's already been explained. A townie with an item is an obvious target for scum's NK. If Pine is scum, he expects (barring factors which we don't know yet, like vig or SK) to be alive tomorrow. By putting out a BP claim, he proactively explains that.In post 738, Creature wrote:I think you misunderstood, I said I don't see why scum would claim semi-BP.
Not the best thing is a big understatement. Hell, if I were in the position he painted I'd be way excited, as I'd have a good chance of wasting a scum kill. Sure, there's the possibility of a roleblocker or strongman, but if you keep your mouth shut, the likelihood of being targeted by those is small.It wasn't the best thing for town to do, but I don't think it's scum motivation.-
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I can't tell if you're hopelessly tunneled on persi so you can't see how scummy his case on him was or if you're just scum.In post 737, Pine wrote:
It's pretty weak. Mostly a general read on his attitude and his apparent motivation to gamesolve.culted wrote:Pine, why are you townreading kuror?
Go back and read it and tell me it doesn't look not a lot like gamesolving but let's find reasons to scumread this guy.
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Though, I think I know why he claimed it.In post 741, Persivul wrote:
That's already been explained. A townie with an item is an obvious target for scum's NK. If Pine is scum, he expects (barring factors which we don't know yet, like vig or SK) to be alive tomorrow. By putting out a BP claim, he proactively explains that.In post 738, Creature wrote:I think you misunderstood, I said I don't see why scum would claim semi-BP.
Not the best thing is a big understatement. Hell, if I were in the position he painted I'd be way excited, as I'd have a good chance of wasting a scum kill. Sure, there's the possibility of a roleblocker or strongman, but if you keep your mouth shut, the likelihood of being targeted by those is small.It wasn't the best thing for town to do, but I don't think it's scum motivation.Sigh-
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Yeah, it was an error. AllI can do is make the best of a bad situation.
Putting out a BP claim hopefully redirects the kill away from me, or if they don't believe it, onto me to be blocked.
The fact that you're ignoring all this shit and tunnelling super hard is making me think you're Town after all, and that's kind of super depressing.
Considering replacing out.
PEdit: I don't really agree with the scumminess of kuror0's case, but meh. I don't necessarily see the case on drealmerz. What's your thoughts on Jason? He looks more motivated toappearactive than actuallybeingproductive.
PEdit2: Shut up, Creature. Analyzing anti-scum WIFOM is anti-Town."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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But you then went on to say that your role PM hinted there were ways for your heal to be overcome. How was that making the best of a bad situation?In post 744, Pine wrote:Yeah, it was an error. AllI can do is make the best of a bad situation.-
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