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[Gamma Emerald]

@JJD
I don't really put too much credence into inaccurate reads

Huh where am I posting anything about keyn posting inaccurate reads? It's contradictory reads which is a big difference.

Can you state the scum motivation for it?

Enough w/ this "scum motivation" nonsense. Tywin had the best answer:

scum motive is to win by getting townies lynched while you survive. Am I doing this right?

That's terrible. Why would scum have contradictory reads over town? I've plain forgotten reads as both alignments.

[JarJarDrinks]

cause u and grey clearly aren't scumbuddies.

pedit: yeah, you did it this game and got scumread for it. It's scummy.

[eagerSnake]

VC 1.11

keyenpeydee (6) [L-1]: TwoFace, -Grey-, Raskolnikov, JarJarDrinks, PsychoticDave, Tywin Lannister
PsychoticDave (2) [L-5]: havingfitz, gerryoat
TwoFace (2) [L-5]: keyenpeydee, Gamma Emerald
-Grey- (1) [L-6]: Lil Uzi Vert
Gear (1) [L-6]: ssbm_Kyouko

Not Voting (1): Gear

Lynch Threshold

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!

Current Deadline

The current deadline is 7:00PM EST Saturday, December 17, 2016, or (expired on 2016-12-17 19:00:00)

Mod Notes

Seeking a replacement for -Grey-.

[Gamma Emerald]

@JJD
Haha very funny, I meant in past games. Why would scum have contradictory reads over town?

[Tywin Lannister]

I may be wrong about Gamma. Pages 20-21 show Gamma questioning -grey- on basically calling him conf town. -grey-'s response is 'I identify with his playstyle, so I'm sheeping the town read.'

My thought is they can't both be scum, since that would be bad play IMO, and I don't see either as bad players. Gamma may well be town, and scum -grey- knew it, so it explains how he's so confident in that town read. Grey led Gamma to vote me at the time (more or less), then hopped on right after. I know I'm town, so grey pushing for Gamma to vote me would make sense from scum's perspective. Him 'sheeping' a townie lynch would possibly clear him and implicate Gamma at the same time. The only reason it didn't work was due to questioning by Rask/Gerry/etc. grey couldn't legitimately explain either why he was so confident in his town read of Gamma or why he thought I was scum. After he got called out and voted, he claimed bodyguard and then asks for replacement.

So I may need to rethink the Gamma read. Doesn't really matter today, but it will be worth investigating after the key lynch.

Due to that, I think my scum list remains at key/gear/vij with grey/gamma thrown in there somewhere.

[JarJarDrinks]

Why would scum have contradictory reads over town?

Might as well ask: Why would scum lurk over town? OR Why would scum naked vote over town?

Or any of the dozens of scumtells that can also come from town. Almost anything scummy can also come from town. One of the tough parts of mafia is determining whether the person doing those scummy things is scum or bad town.

Like Gamma, can you give some hypothetical examples of stuff that purely shows scum motivation?

[havingfitz]

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[Gamma Emerald]

Why would scum have contradictory reads over town?

Might as well ask: Why would scum lurk over town? OR Why would scum naked vote over town?

Or any of the dozens of scumtells that can also come from town. Almost anything scummy can also come from town. One of the tough parts of mafia is determining whether the person doing those scummy things is scum or bad town.

Like Gamma, can you give some hypothetical examples of stuff that purely shows scum motivation?

This is the issue I'm having currently. You say these things are scummy but you don't explain why. Nothing is cut and dry, that's why scum motivation is needed.

[Tywin Lannister]

What does scum motivation even mean outside of 'win the game by lynching townies?' I really don't understand this 'scum motivation' thing you keep throwing around.

Scum motivation: don't get lynched
Scum motivation: get townies lynched
Scum motivation: get townies to lynch townies

What other motivation is there?
Can you break down any example of a different motivation? I can't.

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean "how does that lead them to their overall goal?" So yes, the scum motivation is that, but it also means why scum would do certain actions.
Please don't make me have to argue semantics.

[JarJarDrinks]

Gamma, can you give some hypothetical examples of stuff that purely shows scum motivation?

[JarJarDrinks]

Like Tywin and I are both asking for you to provide some examples cause we don't get what ur saying.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm saying there's nothing only scum do. I want to know what about what keyen is doing makes it more likely to come from scum than town.

[Tywin Lannister]

I'm saying there's nothing only scum do. I want to know what about what keyen is doing makes it more likely to come from scum than town.

What is Keyen doing that makes him more likely to be town than scum?

What are you expecting D1 though? Scum to give up and say 'caught me?' I don't really get what you want or expect here.

[keyenpeydee]

VT

[keyenpeydee]

I'm a VT.

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm saying there's nothing only scum do. I want to know what about what keyen is doing makes it more likely to come from scum than town.

I already pointed out the things that keyen is doing that makes it more likely to come from scum. If you don't agree that those things are AI then I don't know what to tell u.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm saying there's nothing only scum do. I want to know what about what keyen is doing makes it more likely to come from scum than town.

I already pointed out the things that keyen is doing that makes it more likely to come from scum. If you don't agree that those things are AI then I don't know what to tell u.

Could you link that post, because I must have missed it.

[JarJarDrinks]

keyen, 2face isn't getting lynched today. Who'd be your 2nd choice?

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm saying there's nothing only scum do. I want to know what about what keyen is doing makes it more likely to come from scum than town.

I already pointed out the things that keyen is doing that makes it more likely to come from scum. If you don't agree that those things are AI then I don't know what to tell u.

Could you link that post, because I must have missed it.

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[Tywin Lannister]

@Gamma: have you seen anything in the game that is more likely to come from scum than town? You posed the question about Keyen, so what about everyone else? My original pick for that was grey, which I explained why, but we can't lynch his claim RN. So anyone else? You clearly didn't see grey as scum, so who do you have in your scum list?

[Gamma Emerald]

OK
Reading it it's clear what you mean.
@keyen: can you give reads?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma: have you seen anything in the game that is more likely to come from scum than town? You posed the question about Keyen, so what about everyone else? My original pick for that was grey, which I explained why, but we can't lynch his claim RN. So anyone else? You clearly didn't see grey as scum, so who do you have in your scum list?

I've already stated I found some interactions between JJD and Gear shady

[JarJarDrinks]

My original pick for that was grey, which I explained why, but we can't lynch his claim RN.

Just want to make sure everyone is aware that I don't subscribe to the "give scum a free pass on day 1 if they choose to fake a claim" policy so anyone that would rather go back to grey, I'm totes down.

[keyenpeydee]

I'm done. Lynch me. I am scum. Town wins.