Open 660 - White Flag (Game Over)

[chilledtea]

Hi guys. Didn't have a clue this started and haven't yet read anything. Just posting to not get replaced. Don't have time yet to catch up will do later.

[chilledtea]

VOTE : Aubrey

Aubrey what are your current reads on gamma?

[chilledtea]

Eric is prob town, dave probably town too. Both seem like lynchbaity players. Self-voting is done by extremely good scum players as scum tactic though, so if dave is very experienced at this. Otherwise very common among newb town players.

[chilledtea]

Transcend, views on aubrey please.

[chilledtea]

VOTE: chilledtea

I haven't seen much from this slot yet, would like to see more. And before anyone gives me crap about voting someone based on inactivity this early in the game:

Eric is prob town, dave probably town too. Both seem like lynchbaity players. Self-voting is done by extremely good scum players as scum tactic though, so if dave is very experienced at this. Otherwise very common among newb town players.

This is the most substantial thing this slot has done yet.

Hi guys. Didn't have a clue this started and haven't yet read anything. Just posting to not get replaced. Don't have time yet to catch up will do later.

[chilledtea]

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Why alban?

Cause I am town reading him.

Aubrey is my scum read. I didn't like they way he went for eric during dave's wagon, while giving a possibility of eric being newb. His post gave reason as "yes eric can be newb but he could also be scum doing his thing" like that can be said about anything on this planet.

Lick (replacer of eric) is also a town read.

I am kinda suspicious of lethargy though. Like I don't remember anything special from them.

[chilledtea]

Key's prob town too, btw.

My scum group atm is lethargy, aubrey, transcend and toto. Transcend is obviously a very good scum player so he is there just for no reason.

[chilledtea]

Gotta hear more from sdavt as well.

[chilledtea]

Key's prob town too, btw.

My scum group atm is lethargy, aubrey, transcend and toto. Transcend is obviously a very good scum player so he is there just for no reason.

Hmm..

You are not new to this game, I think.

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[chilledtea]

Key's prob town too, btw.

My scum group atm is lethargy, aubrey, transcend and toto. Transcend is obviously a very good scum player so he is there just for no reason.

Hmm..

You are not new to this game, I think.

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you didn't provide any evidence to support your reads. This means either think you know your reads are good and have a meta that is conductive of such or you think the reason for your reads is self evident or you know that at this stage of the game you don't really have to provide reasons for your reads.

The first two options likely make you Town, but the third worries me.

Well I give reasons where I can. Sometimes the reasons are difficult to give. I think I gave reasons for my suspicion on aubrey for example. But key on the other hand, the read is dependent on his posting style. He is actually a semi town read at this point. Not a strong one.

In fact I kinda have given a reason for almost every read I've. Lethargy, aubrey, transcend, you, dave. Where do you feel the lack of reasons?

[chilledtea]

By the way amongst the player list, aubrey, alban, and transcend are very good scum players and shouldn't be considered as newbies by any means, especially transcend.

Although I feel alban is prob town here.

[chilledtea]

Initially the timing felt as if you were trying to derail the wagon on dave. It could also have been a vote, while not for derailing, for distancing.

Sometimes scum try to stay away from the topic at hand. Even if they don't want to directly influence the said topic.

Do you still find eric's slot scummy?

[chilledtea]

Initially the timing felt as if you were trying to derail the wagon on dave. It could also have been a vote, while not for derailing, for distancing.

Sometimes scum try to stay away from the topic at hand. Even if they don't want to directly influence the said topic.

Do you still find eric's slot scummy?

I've basically skimmed the last 3-4 pages. On a skim, I'm much happier with the slot. As I said, my major issue with him was his contraditive attitude. "

Hey guys lets narrow down some lynch options right out the gate and get a move on, while I go sit in the corner and do nothing but complain!

" When BTD said he asked for a replacement, I basically nulled the spot of its ever so light scum lean since it is so early in the game.

Regarding Dave, I just found his early posts playful shitty early day 1 activities. Eh. The argument that town would never vote themselves is farfetched, and a lie. Yea. Not a very interesting wagon in my eyes right out the gate.

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Holy shit this game is on fire this morning.

Your case against Eric was thin. Which is why I wrote 134.
Either what you are saying is true or you are backtracking coz you realised LQ is more active and persistent than Eric.
Also your backtracking and explanation appears defensive, and hence, suspicious.

And your case against Keyen or I is that much thicker?

My argument: X person looks as if they maybe attempting to be faking a proactive town stance.

Your arguments: X person is pushing a thin argument early game. X person is lurky-ish,

but I'll ignore other players who are also lurky-ish

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I don't like this post at all.

This feels very much like scum aubrey vs town alban.

[chilledtea]

Initially the timing felt as if you were trying to derail the wagon on dave. It could also have been a vote, while not for derailing, for distancing.

Sometimes scum try to stay away from the topic at hand. Even if they don't want to directly influence the said topic.

Do you still find eric's slot scummy?

I've basically skimmed the last 3-4 pages. On a skim, I'm much happier with the slot. As I said, my major issue with him was his contraditive attitude. "

Hey guys lets narrow down some lynch options right out the gate and get a move on, while I go sit in the corner and do nothing but complain!

" When BTD said he asked for a replacement, I basically nulled the spot of its ever so light scum lean since it is so early in the game.

Regarding Dave, I just found his early posts playful shitty early day 1 activities. Eh. The argument that town would never vote themselves is farfetched, and a lie. Yea. Not a very interesting wagon in my eyes right out the gate.

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Holy shit this game is on fire this morning.

Your case against Eric was thin. Which is why I wrote 134.
Either what you are saying is true or you are backtracking coz you realised LQ is more active and persistent than Eric.
Also your backtracking and explanation appears defensive, and hence, suspicious.

And your case against Keyen or I is that much thicker?

My argument: X person looks as if they maybe attempting to be faking a proactive town stance.

Your arguments: X person is pushing a thin argument early game. X person is lurky-ish,

but I'll ignore other players who are also lurky-ish

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I don't like this post at all.

This feels very much like scum aubrey vs town alban.

Explain.

The comparison of arguments. It is meaningless unless you know for certain that one set of argument has to be correct.

Meaning, say alban's arguments are correct/consistent because he is town.

You comparing your set of arguments to his, either to solidify your set of arguments in his eyes (silly since he could be scum) or to weaken his set of arguments (not possible since that would mean you are scum). There is not much point to be made with that comparison in my eyes.

[chilledtea]

UNVOTE
VOTE : Lethargy

This slot is 100% scum. Aubrey has moved up in my eyes. Currently looking at scum possibilities of lethargy, gamma and transcend, maybe ssbm and toto and cracker.

Cracker and deer haven't done much from what I gather.

Don't like gamma at all and he is my next best guess for scum.

Transcend is doing very little in comparison to his meta. His vote on toto is also unexplained.

[chilledtea]

That post from lethargy where he/she gives his "analysis" of the game when pushed was the most ridiculous one.

[chilledtea]

That post from lethargy where he/she gives his "analysis" of the game when pushed was the most ridiculous one.

Really? They at least provided a reads list. More than a lot of people have done.

It feels fake. Extremely brief in nature and seems like it is done with the intent of looking like doing something rather than honest.

[chilledtea]

That post from lethargy where he/she gives his "analysis" of the game when pushed was the most ridiculous one.

Really? They at least provided a reads list. More than a lot of people have done.

It feels fake. Extremely brief in nature and seems like it is done with the intent of looking like doing something rather than honest.

What cues you in specifically to tell you it looks "fake?"

The fact that it is brief and covers a large spectrum of players. There is a small tonal shift in their posts as well from the beginning of the game.

Remember their post where they say how it is time for them to start doing something (because of my earlier suspicion on them)?

They are lurking and seem disconnected from the game, even with this small reads list. They seem to have not much interest in directly interacting with others and frankly writing two lines on several people's play is easier.

[chilledtea]

Aubrey,

The reason why gamma is the second best guess for scum is because of his reads, analysis.

Also lethargy's vote on alban was absolutely scummy and I am amazed that no one is picking on that.

Alban is town, lethargy, gamma and toto,ssbm,cracker,deer, might have the last scum.

[chilledtea]

Prod received. Reading now.

[chilledtea]

Aubrey is my town read for several reasons, he has followed my line of thinking regarding some events in the game and I find that to be difficult to be replicated by a scum member.

Alban is a town read.

LQ is still a semi town read but I didn't like his push on alban.

Lethargy, gamma are still my scumspects and nothing has changed since my last reads list.

Sorry that I haven't done much, I was busy with work. But I am here now.

[chilledtea]

Aubrey is my town read for several reasons, he has followed my line of thinking regarding some events in the game and I find that to be difficult to be replicated by a scum member.

Alban is a town read.

LQ is still a semi town read but I didn't like his push on alban.

Lethargy, gamma are still my scumspects and nothing has changed since my last reads list.

Sorry that I haven't done much, I was busy with work. But I am here now.

Why didn't you like my push?

Because I wasn't seeing anything scummy in alban's behaviour.

[chilledtea]

I feel like a lot of all the conversations that are happening are happening with town themselves and scum are just hiding amongst lurkers.

My scum read on lethargy is very big and while alban might think that we don't get information from their lynch, we will get info from NK regardless and there is a great chance of getting a scum catch from it.

Also after all this I am still null-ish on ssbm - I haven't a read on him. Key was a town read earlier on during his interactions with, I think aubrey???

I am also fine with a gamma lynch but it is sad that there is little information on cracker, deer, who have basically done nothing. Deer's initial post was definitely scummy as someone else pointed it out.

Lynching LQ would be very bad for the game state if he is town, whereas if he is scum we can take care of it later on as well. At the moment I don't see the scum-LQ angle.

Transcend is being transcend I rather not lynch him for being silly. I don't think he is scum.

[chilledtea]

Going V/LA is one thing, but not posting even once in your V/LA is just a bit ridiculous.

[chilledtea]

VOTE : Gamma Emerald

This is fine too.

[chilledtea]

I would like to know where ssbm stands at this point. Whom to lynch, townreads etc.

[chilledtea]

He still has his vote on alban from what the vc tells me, which is a waste of a vote at this point since I don't see him getting lynched.

[chilledtea]

It isn't that I town read him, as much as I haven't yet seen much reason to scum read him. He does play like this as town, he is very reckless. I remember him playing a newbie with me and he got lynched on day 1 - he generally has good reads though.

Problem is, scum transcend is actually very good. But making silly jokes, and jumping around is something town transcend does seem to do.

[chilledtea]

Also, if ssbm is serious about sheeping transcend, then I think we can lynch ssbm today, yes. Transcend isn't confirmed town and he is human so is capable of making mistakes.

[chilledtea]

VOTE : ssbm_Kyouko

"I have a scum read on alban. If alban is scum, then transcend is scum. If transcend is town however, he will be nkd. BTW I am going to sheep transcend bcoz he tends to have good reads."

If you are town this is the most ridiculous line of thought ever. Sheeping someone who is your possible scum read is just ridiculous.

[chilledtea]

alban, I think aubrey is town. I feel his contributions to this game as very honest, although in the beginning he pinged me a bit but it was minor compared to his play overall.

I have been thinking a lot about that ssbm post. I want to see him reply and converse more before he is lynched. At the moment there are 4 votes on him, 7 needed to lynch. Don't lynch him before he gets a chance to respond.

[chilledtea]

UNVOTE : ssbm_Kyouko

Is there anything against toto? Only reason I am asking is because he didn't ping me that much although I am getting pretty confused because of all the stuff that is useless between dave, toto, cracker, lethargy and deers.

VOTE : Deimos27

I will ISO toto and see if I get something.

[chilledtea]

Toto's posts don't feel like scum unfortunately.

[chilledtea]

Well if you notice aubrey he is generally in the maybe category and that was because of practically doing things in the game that went above my observation - re-reading his ISO makes me feel that he is likely a newish town player. His contribution is still more than someone like dave whose only reason to have escaped my scum radar is his self-vote. Which is not much.

[chilledtea]

I rather lynch gamma as a compromise than toto. My best lynch is deimos.

[chilledtea]

Also we need to make a decision quick - so many players are V/LA and we don't want a no lynch at any cost. 3 days for the deadline.

[chilledtea]

If he were to flip scum, then that would be awesome because then we are one scum away from victory. If I felt he would be scum, then I would vote him. I don't, and it will remain that way, unless deadline is reached in which case I will vote him.

[chilledtea]

Guys you need to know that Kain Tepes and I have played before and he might chase after me - he has done that literally in every game we have played together. He tends to capitalize his posts and basically act like a young boy but I doubt he his indeed a young boy (Sorry if you are a young boy, KT).

He also plays like this regardless of his alignment and hence is very successful as scum because people cannot read him properly.

At the moment he seems to be putting more effort than what he used to do in the past.

[chilledtea]

KT, I don't have a concise view on Toto unfortunately. I feel sincerity in some of his posts and hence I felt it might be a mislynch. However aubrey made a point about him sticking to dave for a very long time, which is indeed a good point.

However, dave himself isn't doing anything special and I am not sure if dave is indeed an easy target.

[chilledtea]

KT I feel like in the past you would chase after me just to troll me or something. I don't have a problem with you scrutinizing me.

[chilledtea]

Also I think dave is more scummy than toto.

[chilledtea]

I am pretty sure there is something to learn from anyone's flip. I believe that one should vote according to their reads unless deadline forces them to do otherwise.

Toto seems like a very randomly picked mislynch at this point. Between dave, toto, lethargy, deers, cracker(KT) we could have basically picked anyone, and we have little reason to differentiate between these slots.

[chilledtea]

LQ made a point about how voting inactive slots sometimes helps to revive them from their inactivity. This is true but it requires a wagon and town didn't participate in it. Although, I was inactive as well so I am a hypocrite.

[chilledtea]

Aubrey you will notice I am not fighting against toto's lynch as much as I am questioning the why's and why nots.

[chilledtea]

Still alive!

Aubrey's reaction is a bit worrying but I think scum!Aubrey doesn't make sense because they would not try to get rid of me since Ive been openly town reading them.

Getting out of bed, will post more thoughts in a few hours.

Terrible logic.

VOTE : PsychoticDave

Lets get on this.

[chilledtea]

Also that wagon on aubrey is terrible and I am not sure why LQ is hell-bent on jumping on every wagon on this planet.

[chilledtea]

Still alive!

Aubrey's reaction is a bit worrying but I think scum!Aubrey doesn't make sense because they would not try to get rid of me since Ive been openly town reading them.

Getting out of bed, will post more thoughts in a few hours.

Terrible logic.

VOTE : PsychoticDave

Lets get on this.

Why didn't you use vote tags?

I don't use vote tags. I feel it looks better with the bold.

[chilledtea]

Lynch me for being inactive instead of someone who can give us information.
Real smart.

Lynch this please.

[chilledtea]

The Town here is as stupid as in Town of Salem.
That's sad.
Using non-AI things as reasons to lynch someone.

Why don't you go back to wherever you were when you weren't threatened with a wagon?

[chilledtea]

Approximately 37 hours to go for the deadline btw.

[chilledtea]

Need the VC. Don't like transcend's vote on toto.

Currently looking at transcend, {LQ, Vedith}, Deimos as the possible scum team. Not in that order.

[chilledtea]

Hi transcend.

VOTE : Transcend

This is no longer day 1 thank you very much.

To LQ, the reason why I have {vedith, LQ} is because there are only three scum, and such, not that you both cannot be scum together.

SSBM, please tell me about gamma's inconsistency if possible, through links and posts. I would like to look into that.

[chilledtea]

Okay that is indeed a very good point SSBM.

Gamma, have anything to say about it? In particular regarding the bit about why your stance on alban changed?

[chilledtea]

Okay that is indeed a very good point SSBM.

Gamma, have anything to say about it? In particular regarding the bit about why your stance on alban changed?

Why would alban!scum point up something that cleared someone? They want all the mislynch opportunities they can get.

So where did alban clear someone?

[chilledtea]

A reverse q to Chilled, ssbm and keyen and whoever else thinking gamma's turnaround on me is scummy:
Why would Gamma!scum change his read on me, so openly. What do you think was the need for scum him to tr me? Also, remember that two of you (ssbm and keyen) have yourselves changed your position on me with time. Why is gamma scummy but you are town?

Because scum tend to make up reads and forget them sometimes. It is a valid problem.

[chilledtea]

Wait that was based on old thoughts shit

By the way a post like this from scum doesn't seem possible from the scum-Gamma. SSBM's point that this was some "oops" moment seems a bit silly in retrospect since scum wouldn't be making such an oops moment. Why would scum deliberately point out there own stuff, and sure, scum can do that for wine effect but gamma's play doesn't seem indicative of that.

[chilledtea]

BTW if we are talking about a quicklynch can we do deimos?

[chilledtea]

How did alban clear toto again?

[chilledtea]

To ssbm, deimos is that defendant in the court that is always late for the hearing and never makes his own case. Seriously, he is at this point worthy of a policy lynch.

I hope vedith does something.

pedit : That wasn't really pointed out by alban though. Like aubrey, and some others saw that reaction and it was partly that that changed the wagon onto dave.

[chilledtea]

When someone says that a slot hasn't contributed much, we can say that is true for the likes of toto, key, lethargy right? But in terms of sincerity deimos comes off as the most fake to me but he hasn't done much anyways. Why let him coast when we know that scum like to coast as well?

Also why was transcend voting toto in the first place?

[chilledtea]

How do you know that?

[chilledtea]

I can see why alban replaced out.

Seems like a bunch of clowns playing with each other.

[chilledtea]

Which is actually a reason I signed up for it. A pure vanilla game is rare.

[chilledtea]

Reaction test is an easy excuse btw.

[chilledtea]

My vote is on whom I am willing to lynch.

[chilledtea]

Although I am still ok with deimos and LQ, but a wagon on transcend is required.

[chilledtea]

Transcend how the hell can you fault people for voting you when you say you are demotivated to play this game?

Hey toto, direct convo with me please. Who are you scum reads, town reads. Lets start.

[chilledtea]

UNVOTE : Transcend

VOTE : Creature

Transcend, creature's immediate vote on you after toto's vote seems very much like a quicklynch, his unvote afterwards was because it was an unexplained vote. He had no reasons to vote you and I don't see how he can vote you when you were the leading wagon? Unless you are indeed scum, I would have thought that this was a pretty big thing.

In 4 minutes after toto's vote, creature blank voted you and sent you to L-1. For voting on a leading wagon you are generally more careful as town.

Anyways, one thing I didn't like about toto's 1853 explanation is every recent read of his is supported by recent events such as replacing out, which is a very strange way of reading anyone and works only sometimes. It is not true that replacing out is a town tell, but most of the times they are town.

At this point I trust ssbm and gamma and I have difficulty trusting others. Where is vedith?

ssbm, do you have no opinion on creature?

[chilledtea]

One more thing I don't like about toto is his opinion of me is still based on "low content" and is very similar to the way he held his opinion fast on dave from an earlier read on day 1.

[chilledtea]

So are you saying you feel that toto is prob town because of that ssbm post?

[chilledtea]

One more thing I don't like about toto is his opinion of me is still based on "low content" and is very similar to the way he held his opinion fast on dave from an earlier read on day 1.

Another good point. As far as I can see, the posting frequency and quality of you both is pretty even, but I think you have an edge.

Well my point wasn't comparative. Toto held the same opinion about me on day 1.

[chilledtea]

I expressed my scumreads on Vedith and chilledtea before I saw them expressing their scumread on my slot.

Transcend isn't my top townread.

I am probably the oldest scum reader of your slot in this game.

[chilledtea]

Creature, can you try and poke holes in my argument regarding why I find you scummy? 1895 for reference.

I also agree with gamma that ssbm has given town and scum vibes both, and can see transcend's point regarding ssbm.

[chilledtea]

Also toto is town in my eyes at this point.

TR : toto, key, {transcend}, gamma, arc, kain.

Transcend is a special read leaning town. Arc is also probably town by reference to her predecessor.

LQ is such a strange one. I feel he is scum. He matches scum personality perfectly. But I had townish lean on him on day 1.

Kain is prob town with his efforts although it is wiser to be cautious with him. His trollish play is really unfortunate. There is such a good chance that LQ's vote on him is scum trying to catch a low hanging fruit, but I remember a game where he was scum, and I suspected a townie for the same reason. Kain has immense ability to troll his way out of trouble as scum.

ssbm, vedith, creature, and LQ are where my suspicion radar exists at this point, and it is similar to that of transcend.

[chilledtea]

Most of the posts are smaller in size, so it shouldn't be that much of a problem.

Aubrey is town and he had the biggest posts in the game from what I remember.

[chilledtea]

How about LQ?

[chilledtea]

Can you remember what about eric rasputin did you like? I remember having a slight town read on him as well.

[chilledtea]

ssbm, what do you think of

1) Vedith

2) Creature

Don't ignore this like last time.

[chilledtea]

Transcend, eric's reason was that you are the first one to post - that seemed rvs. Did you get a town read by an rvs?

[chilledtea]

ssbm, you may not be interested in voting either of them but I am interested in knowing what you think of them.

[chilledtea]

Creature, have you been nightkilled many times as town?

[chilledtea]

VOTE : LicketyQuickety

Well this is where I like my vote then.

[chilledtea]

ssbm, you may not be interested in voting either of them but I am interested in knowing what you think of them.

o maybe that wasn't clear enough. My opinion of them is that they are not worth voting for because they are not as likely to be scum as Transcend or Toto plus LQ

Why are transcend or toto likely to be scum?

[chilledtea]

Don't like ssbm's tvt theory at all.

SSbm, is it NOT possible that transcend and toto are both town?

[chilledtea]

Hi alisae. I think you are scum and I am amazed that my second scum read creature is voting you.

I am *this* away from voting you, but since you are supposedly L-2, lets chat up.

Why do you scum read ssbm, and why do you scum read kain?

[chilledtea]

Kain pushed LQ quite a lot and was the first one to vote him, that doesn't change your opinion on kane?

LQ was heavy about lynching kane while others were not, do you feel they were on the same team?

[chilledtea]

So you are saying that LQ vs Kain was scumtheatrics and LQ pushed for kain and kain pushed for LQ and it was all done to look town in the game where 2 scum lynches net the town victory?

[chilledtea]

ok so it's either Transcend+LQ or Toto+LQ imo and my best read is on LQ so I'm gonna urge you Transcend to vote LQ for cw purposes. If he flips scum I'll vote Toto tomorrow, and if Toto flips town after that I'm gonna be watching you like a hawk so you'd better NK me at that point if you want to live

This is still where I stand

This is still where I stand

VOTE: Toto

VOTE: Toto
L1

Also Kyouko back at it with the old avi

INTENT TO HAMMER TOTO AND WIN THE GAME!!!!!!!!

Toto any last words SAY THEM NOW............ you and LQ have been friends in the whole game and TOWNREADING EACH OTHER..... so you must be SCUM MATES AND WITH GAMMA......

VOTE : Alisae

The vote is not going away until :

1) you tell me why you are scum reading people that scum read your scum reads,
2) why you scum read ssbm,
3) why you voted toto and made him reach L-1 so casually.

Pedit : Real garbage reasoning for scum reading toto but something you could have said earlier if sincere.

[chilledtea]

I am sorry if I lynched guys, but I thought alisae was L-2.

[chilledtea]

Unvote

Toto didn't vote.

[chilledtea]

Which means that it wasn't a hammer.

Also, not as convincing a reaction from alisae as toto's reaction on day 1. Which means that there is still a chance that he is scum.

[chilledtea]

Although,...that's a pretty good act from creature + alisae if scum.

[chilledtea]

1. Who have I scumread for scumreading my SR again?
2. I felt as if he was trying to derail the Toto wagon D1 and that seemed off to me.
3. I voted him because I thought he was scum due to reasoning I explained? What, are you not supposed to vote your scumreads?

Just wanted to address this : You scum read ssbm because he was trying to derail the toto wagon, and you scum read toto because of ssbm, right? Circular logic doesn't work.

[chilledtea]

Unofficial VC :

Toto : ssbm_Kyouko, Alisae

Alisae : Transcend, Creature, keyenpeydee,

Not voting: , KainTepes, Toto, Gamma Emerald, chilledtea

[chilledtea]

So were you scum?

nope

This is basically the reaction that was given by alisae upon realizing that he was lynched by creature.

[chilledtea]

I still think it is either alisae + creature or alisae + ssbm.

[chilledtea]

Most likely alisae + ssbm from what it seems.

Although something to keep in mind that LQ played the same game on toto on day 1.

[chilledtea]

So were you scum?

nope

This is basically the reaction that was given by alisae upon realizing that he was lynched by creature.

You mean by you because you hammered me.

Well, I didn't hammer you, so it was creature who conveyed that to you.

[chilledtea]

What about the reads Alisae gave during the fake twilight?

It is very difficult to believe that in this situation, either scum or town would get lynched without realizing. I mean, it is just 9 players. On day 1 with all the mess and several posts it can get confusing, but there is a chance this was fake on day 3.

[chilledtea]

What is the first thing that you do when you feel that you have been hammered but there is no VC nearby?

One thing that I did like about alisae is that he checked day 2's VC instead of day 3 and came to the conclusion that 6 votes are needed to lynch him. I mean that does point towards ignorance a lot more.

[chilledtea]

How come nobody tried to check whether alisae has been hammered? ssbm seems to point towards it with the "are you joking" line, but doesn't try to make the effort of checking the votes on alis.

[chilledtea]

1. Who have I scumread for scumreading my SR again?
2. I felt as if he was trying to derail the Toto wagon D1 and that seemed off to me.
3. I voted him because I thought he was scum due to reasoning I explained? What, are you not supposed to vote your scumreads?

Just wanted to address this : You scum read ssbm because he was trying to derail the toto wagon, and you scum read toto because of ssbm, right? Circular logic doesn't work.

Yes I scumread that.
But it wasn't that Kyouko derailed it and because of that I scumread toto.
It's because Toto followed up on a vote on Dave. Like I checked the VC after Kyouko origonally voted Dave. First it went Kyouko then Toto.

Please explain this better.

[chilledtea]

Creature it's 6 to hammer last time I checked.

Sorry for ruining something, but yeah I felt as if scum were trying to push me mostly because I'm quite frankly super easy to lynch at the moment.

What do you mean by ruining something?

Scum reads are Toto and Kyouko.
Kain could be null leaning scum.
Everyone else is probably town.

You give your reads here but you haven't yet realized that you have been lynched since you think it takes 6 to lynch. Which means that you could still be faking your reads?

Creature it's 6 to hammer last time I checked.

It's 5 to hammer, there are 9 players alive.

oh, misread day 2's final VC for day 3s. Mybad.

Why did you not proceed with counting the votes on if you could go back and check the VC for the no of the votes required to lynch you?

So were you scum?

nope

[chilledtea]

Thats interesting. Chilled what do you think of Toto?

I feel he is town, but not putting any effort whatsoever. But whenever he has put effort, it has seemed sincere to some extent.

[chilledtea]

How did you not realize that toto was not voting you when creature pointed it out?

[chilledtea]

1. Who have I scumread for scumreading my SR again?
2. I felt as if he was trying to derail the Toto wagon D1 and that seemed off to me.
3. I voted him because I thought he was scum due to reasoning I explained? What, are you not supposed to vote your scumreads?

Just wanted to address this : You scum read ssbm because he was trying to derail the toto wagon, and you scum read toto because of ssbm, right? Circular logic doesn't work.

Yes I scumread that.
But it wasn't that Kyouko derailed it and because of that I scumread toto.
It's because Toto followed up on a vote on Dave. Like I checked the VC after Kyouko origonally voted Dave. First it went Kyouko then Toto.

Please explain this better.

[chilledtea]

This game is confusing so I might have to reread again. We have to do as much as possible today and hopefully win this today itself.

[chilledtea]

Also gamma is suspicious once again. Dude hasn't done anything and had his vote outside of LQ, which means that if there is scum outside the LQ wagon it could be LQ. Creature is also possible.

[chilledtea]

Basically my scum pool is {gamma, creature, alisae, ssbm} at this point and I need a reread to sort it out and filter it to 2 most suspicious.

[chilledtea]

Also gamma is suspicious once again. Dude hasn't done anything and had his vote outside of LQ, which means that if there is scum outside the LQ wagon it could be

LQ

gamma. Creature is also possible.

ebwop

[chilledtea]

i kinda think gamma gives 0 shits about this game and all his posts are subtle prodges and that in itself isn't alignment indicative. feel free to correct me if i'm wrong, but that's what i'm getting here.

Well, we are scum lynch away from victory. I have a hard time believing someone can be disinterested in such a situation, if they are town.

[chilledtea]

I see. I have been town reading gamma for the majority of the game btw. He hasn't done much on day 3 at all when he should have been more motivated on day 3 in comparison to day 2.

[chilledtea]

If alisae is scum then he can fake his reaction around the fake hammer.

I haven't experienced a scum fake hammer though but LQ did it. It is interesting indeed that scum do fake hammers as well.

I still am sceptical, I mean what person doesn't remember that toto didn't vote for him. It is not like they could have missed an unvote or something, toto never voted anyone.

[chilledtea]

Kay, I'm not okay with a Creature Lynch.
Also I like the point that Kain hopped on Quickety about.
VOTE: LicketyQuickety

Okay so Alisae came in without reading the whole page and voted LQ without any logical reason. I don't know if this is a 'show-off' or what but do scum vote their scum partners especially knowing you just got replaced in and you have a fresh mind of knowing your scum mates, and then you'll vote for him? Hmmmmmm...

Creature replaced Deimos and Alisae replaced Vedith. As you can see through Deimos's and Vedith's ISO, Vedith is actually bussing or pressuring and voting Deimos, which there's a possibility that Alisae and Creature are not scum partners. Considering Lethargy nor Deimos posted useful contents.

It's mind changing for me

. And I town read Alisae. I like Alisae's frendly side but not for the game. Creature, on the other hand, is being inconsistent (?).

UNVOTE:

Also, I've been saying since D2 that Toto is town. I might actually re-look at it.

As for Gamma... Idk. He actually didn't post worthy-contents since the start of D3.

Disagree with this point regarding alisae and creature not being scum partners for this particular reason.

[chilledtea]

key can you expand on your suspicion on transcend?

[chilledtea]

How about voting someone Toto?

[chilledtea]

key can you expand on your suspicion on transcend?

Where'd you got this info?

From this :

Yeah, I'm sorta agreeing with what Creature said here.
I don't like how trans suddenly went from "I can't read this fucker" to "he's town" when it came to Kyouko.
Like, I remember someone saying here that Trans' scum game is being pro-town.

Honestly, that's me too.

[chilledtea]

VOTE : Gamma Emerald

[chilledtea]

Agreed with the gamma wagon. Let us wait for him to reply and see what he says.

[chilledtea]

Also creature is prob town. Scum is probably in alisae, gamma and ssbm.

[chilledtea]

In fact, really wouldn't be surprised if gamma + ssbm are scum.

[chilledtea]

So did we win?? I hope we did. Hey gamma, were you scum?

[chilledtea]

Also happy new year guys!

[chilledtea]

prod dodge

agreed on the ridiculous.

also agreed that this means gamma is prob town. annoying to not see him here after his lynch.

[chilledtea]

All the replacements hurt town.
All the lurking hurt town.

Frankly we were *this* much away from winning but toto and kt played real well imo. Especially toto's final play on day 1 to get out of that lynch; I need to remember that stuff.

I mean it is amazing that both creature and alisae or say, both vedith and lethargy were town. That is amazing.