New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[mhsmith0]

Ps if someone wants to make a great case for why pie is a wolf I might listen, but I'm obviously not going to take "lol smith is scum" seriously

So everyone scumreading you is being ridiculous but pie (who everyone is townreading) would be a scumread you'd listen to?

Please.

Well I'm obviously not going to scum read myself. So when you say "you're on my list of people you're allowed to vote for" the OBVIOUS implication is "only if there's reason to believe pie is a wolf"

[MariaR]

Ps if someone wants to make a great case for why pie is a wolf I might listen, but I'm obviously not going to take "lol smith is scum" seriously

So everyone scumreading you is being ridiculous but pie (who everyone is townreading) would be a scumread you'd listen to?

Please.

Well I'm obviously not going to scum read myself.

So when you say "you're on my list of people you're allowed to vote for" the OBVIOUS implication is "only if there's reason to believe pie is a wolf"

Scum claim

[MiniDeathStar]

Is there anyone besides HS who's townreading Smith?

[mhsmith0]

Hypocrisy is scummy?
Is being pushed for a 'scumslip', (lack of) agression and reduced activity after vedith left the same as being pushed for refusing to answer auestions?

"Is hypocrisy scummy"

Like, no shit? Townies do it sometimes but hypocritical behavior is a scum-tell. Do you actually not believe this to be the case?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p8588675
Look specifically at this one, where he's accusing her of popping in and out at "a convenient time" when it's the same accusation leveled at him (the questions bit seems to be the only substantive difference)

Jeez your misreps.
My activity is low sitewide. Its a thing called the weekend. I don't think you're aware of it.

And this one in defense of his continual low activity when not under pressure, as if somehow it was actually a weekend specific thing.

[mhsmith0]

Ps if someone wants to make a great case for why pie is a wolf I might listen, but I'm obviously not going to take "lol smith is scum" seriously

So everyone scumreading you is being ridiculous but pie (who everyone is townreading) would be a scumread you'd listen to?

Please.

Well I'm obviously not going to scum read myself.

So when you say "you're on my list of people you're allowed to vote for" the OBVIOUS implication is "only if there's reason to believe pie is a wolf"

Scum claim

I almost want to say a real wolf wouldn't be that terrible... but that's just AWFUL

Go ahead and explain what THAT is a scum claim.

[MariaR]

boy Smith can't take a joke.

[MiniDeathStar]

I told you he's an emotionless robot.

[mhsmith0]

boy Smith can't take a joke.

Yes, tying "scum claim" on someone you're wagoning is clearly a joke. How silly of me to miss that.

[MariaR]

I told you he's an emotionless robot.

he's also a b-bully

[mhsmith0]

I told you he's an emotionless robot.

he's also a b-bully

Mean ole smith at it again, making nice little robotik girls cry

[MiniDeathStar]

I mean, girls tend to do that when someone devours their grandma?

[mhsmith0]

I mean, girls tend to do that when someone devours their grandma?

But what if grandma was mean?

[inspectorscout]

Ps if someone wants to make a great case for why pie is a wolf I might listen, but I'm obviously not going to take "lol smith is scum" seriously

So everyone scumreading you is being ridiculous but pie (who everyone is townreading) would be a scumread you'd listen to?

Please.

Well I'm obviously not going to scum read myself. So when you say "you're on my list of people you're allowed to vote for" the OBVIOUS implication is "only if there's reason to believe pie is a wolf"

But if you listened to what I said, you'd know I'm townreading pie.
Secondly, you're acting as if people wanting to lynch you are being stupid and reacht with the 'im not gonna take a 'lol smith is scum' seriously

But can you really not see any case on you? Do you think scumreading you is something ridiculous?

Hypocrisy is scummy?
Is being pushed for a 'scumslip', (lack of) agression and reduced activity after vedith left the same as being pushed for refusing to answer auestions?

"Is hypocrisy scummy"

Like, no shit? Townies do it sometimes but hypocritical behavior is a scum-tell. Do you actually not believe this to be the case?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p8588675
Look specifically at this one, where he's accusing her of popping in and out at "a convenient time" when it's the same accusation leveled at him (the questions bit seems to be the only substantive difference)

Jeez your misreps.
My activity is low sitewide. Its a thing called the weekend. I don't think you're aware of it.

And this one in defense of his continual low activity when not under pressure, as if somehow it was actually a weekend specific thing.

You said yourself that townies could do it, but often it's a scumtell. I think he's a townie. That's it.

I can agree that his defense is a bit odd, but again, can you only imagine scum doing this?
What about the other part of my question?

[MariaR]

WAAAAH MAKE THE MEAN MAN GO AWAY MINI ;-;

[inspectorscout]

Mhsmith is not a bully, hes a nice dude

He just happened to draw scum

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 1.14

The_Jester - MiniDeathStar [3] - pieguyn, Kagami, Nahdia
Human Sequencer - Parama [0] -
Ser Arthur Dayne - inspectorscout [0] -
Cerberus v666 - Nahdia [0] -
mhsmith0 - pieguyn [3] - inspectorscout, Dunnstral, MariaR
Dunnstral - Kagami [2] - Shadow_step, MiniDeathStar
Shadow_step - MariaR [4] - Human Sequencer, Ser Arthur Dayne, mhsmith0, Parama

Not Voting [2]

- The_Jester, Cerberus v666

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch

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Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2016-12-15 17:00:00)

[inspectorscout]

Chop chop 4 days
All aboard the smith train

Choo choo

[mhsmith0]

Ps if someone wants to make a great case for why pie is a wolf I might listen, but I'm obviously not going to take "lol smith is scum" seriously

So everyone scumreading you is being ridiculous but pie (who everyone is townreading) would be a scumread you'd listen to?

Please.

Well I'm obviously not going to scum read myself. So when you say "you're on my list of people you're allowed to vote for" the OBVIOUS implication is "only if there's reason to believe pie is a wolf"

But if you listened to what I said, you'd know I'm townreading pie.
Secondly, you're acting as if people wanting to lynch you are being stupid and reacht with the 'im not gonna take a 'lol smith is scum' seriously

But can you really not see any case on you? Do you think scumreading you is something ridiculous?

Hypocrisy is scummy?
Is being pushed for a 'scumslip', (lack of) agression and reduced activity after vedith left the same as being pushed for refusing to answer auestions?

"Is hypocrisy scummy"

Like, no shit? Townies do it sometimes but hypocritical behavior is a scum-tell. Do you actually not believe this to be the case?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p8588675
Look specifically at this one, where he's accusing her of popping in and out at "a convenient time" when it's the same accusation leveled at him (the questions bit seems to be the only substantive difference)

Jeez your misreps.
My activity is low sitewide. Its a thing called the weekend. I don't think you're aware of it.

And this one in defense of his continual low activity when not under pressure, as if somehow it was actually a weekend specific thing.

You said yourself that townies could do it, but often it's a scumtell. I think he's a townie. That's it.

I can agree that his defense is a bit odd, but again, can you only imagine scum doing this?
What about the other part of my question?

I think most of the pushes on me have been silly

1) "baiting vedith to suicide" (flagrantly false)
2) low activity (even tho it's inside my town meta)
3) pushing Maria on her defensiveness (even though that was a perfectly valid meta question to ask, and again, emphasis there was ASK)
4) a vaguely defined difference from my town meta that I don't recall ever really being clearly laid out

I feel like those were the highlights? And yeah those are shitty cases.

You also presented myself as one of the "allowed" options for me to be scum-reading, which is of course ridiculous.


Wrt shadow, I think "scumslip" is a silly case, but I think asking stupid questions is wolfy (that was something he's done on and off this game), and the activity read was a fair point, and I'm not impressed w his reaction to pressure.

Is that different than kagami not answering his questions? Sure. But I don't see how it's a WEAKER case on him, all the more since you yourself don't seem to think the kagami case is valid.

Mhsmith is not a bully, hes a nice dude

He just happened to draw scum

1) true
2) false

[mhsmith0]

WAAAAH MAKE THE MEAN MAN GO AWAY MINI ;-;

[MiniDeathStar]

HS, Arthur, smith and Parama will never unvote Shadow.

My vote on Smith would bring them at 4.

We will need 4 more votes out of {Shadow, Jester, Cerb, pie, Kagami, Nahdia}.

That would probably be the most forcefully dragged wagon I'd have ever seen on mafiascum, if it pulls through.

VOTE: mhsmith/pieguyn

WAAAAH MAKE THE MEAN MAN GO AWAY MINI ;-;

I'm tryyyying ;-;

[mhsmith0]

Nice to see the shadow-Maria counter-wagon settling.

[MiniDeathStar]

At this point I think there's more people townreading Shadow than you, Smith.

[mhsmith0]

At this point I think there's more people townreading Shadow than you, Smith.

Could be. Better keep hard-pushing my wagon then. Who knows, you might even get lucky and pie is actually a wolf (and if that happens, I will spend the rest of the game laughing at everyone who lazily town read her while thinking I was a wolf).

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

HS, Arthur, smith and Parama will never unvote Shadow.

Tbh I am at the point where I think I will hammer any L-1 wagon just because I need a freaking flip before 500 pages so I have something more to work with than these back and forth accusations and AtEing.

That said I will make this very clear:

I much, much, MUCH prefer a shadow lynch today, as a) I need a scumflip before night as I can work much better with the game that way (and shadow highest probability for me rn), b) at least people like mhsmith are actively contributing, you people left the dude I forgot his name day1 without a dance for "gonna be useless", like holy Shadow scummy AND being useless.

[MiniDeathStar]

There's something I'm wondering and I'm not sure if it's due to a playstyle difference or personality difference or alignment difference or what have you.

I've been a wagon since pretty much the beginning and at some point I thought fine, I'm never surviving to endgame, and that's probably a good thing because I'm a convenient lynch. Even though I'm townreading my lover, I've been OK with being voted because it would narrow the suspect pool.

Jester, Maria and Shadow have adopted pretty much same attitude as me. Which I think is totally understandable.

But Smith's wagon has been popular for almost as long, and so far he's been incredibly resistant to it, even though he's not townreading his lover. Where does this survivalism come from? Do you think it's scum-motivated? Or too invested in the game? Or some combination of ego (to not be mislynched as town) and pride (he believes he can solve the game for town)? I just don't understand where all that resilience comes from. On one hand I think it's super admirable and I know I'll never be as good a player as that. But on the other hand it does make me a bit uncomfortable because it just feels *unnatural* to me.