Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[Narna]

And on the 200+ pages of slog to struggle through. Keep in mind the House and Gamma slots are guilty of flooding this game with nonsense and blindly agreeing with people, only to immediately 180ing on things (the latter being in Gamma's case). Neither have actually lynched shit as well.

or tried to lynch, especially post replacement.

[Narna]

Leon is not 100% town. The only innocents are bodies. You're biased because he saved your ass from the noose. And yes there is scum motivation to do so.

Wait
You could settle on NC?

Do you agree with Slysly that scum would choose to nk me and waste a free mislynch? It's entirely possible, but that is definitely the risky move for scum to make. Especially in a game where town has mislynched twice (three times from the before the govern) and scum kills don't seem to have been blocked.

[Narna]

Sure, lynch, but who? The game's a mess and for every single potential lynch candidate there is a "but" hanging above their heads. There exists your point of view, but also exists a point of view that is absolutely

convinced

to have you lynched. This is true for almost all lynch propositions today after the govern (Not Chara, Leonshade, Shiro, Creature, Giovanni, Almost50).

Then you see that 4 Townies are already dead and, whether you are town or scum (it doesn't matter) you hesitate to push for a lynch in fear of lynching another townie and subsequently getting yourself lynched by the torch-and-pitchfork logic this town has.

Crazy idea, terrible pitch, think for yourself.

I'm not sure if you're referring to me specifically with that "whether you are town or scum" sentence or the entire game. Because if it's the latter, yeah the playerbase is really basic with their scumhunting.

[Narna]

Titus and andrius look super scummy today. Especially titus...

Leon is obvtown. That post where he calls out titus for claiming my role was too strong to be real, yet not good enough to clear massive was the best post of the phase.

[Narna]

I'm starting a petition to make pardoning someone a policy lynch because goving town is anti town as fuck.

[Narna]

Titus and andrius look super scummy today. Especially titus...

Leon is obvtown. That post where he calls out titus for claiming my role was too strong to be real, yet not good enough to clear massive was the best post of the phase.

The best post of the phase was Slysly hammering you.

Plot twist, the best post was actually was the govern.

I'm working through the deadline today. I'll be here, but won't be able to pump out posts.

[Narna]

I'm starting a petition to make pardoning someone a policy lynch because goving town is anti town as fuck.

is there precedent for useful governs? when you think about it, it's almost negative utility. forcing the lynch away from the popular choice by one player's demand... at best, it's stopping town from lynching town that will be lynched another day, and at worst, it's stopping a lynch on scum.

Goving a useful investigative forces scum to waste resources on the survivor, or lets them eventually clear themselves.

[Narna]

Governors should play as VTs until mylo barring most situations.

Agreed though.

[Narna]

Time is running out. This is our last chance to swing nc or Creature instead of townshade.

[Narna]

Is the town ok with Nahdia sticking to leon despite this?

at this point i recognize lynching leonshade is practicing suboptimal lynch order and i dont really care.

[Narna]

Lets try to swing a not shit lynch here. We all know how most of you feel about the gamestate.

[Narna]

Cakez also expressed interest in a50 without voting them, but I'm townreading that slot more than the other two at the moment.

Cakez wanted me lynched??? I asked him explicitly if I could join his death row and he said no. Are you fantasizing stuff now?

Shoot this ya?

[Narna]

I vote and call out a50 a while back, and cakez follows with this. Shiro and Creature said something similar then too.

Actually I could see Almost scum
I can't remember any of his posting from days previous which is a bad sign (town Almost is usually pretty outspoken)

I'm not desperate; I'm just trying here a50.

[Narna]

Titus is totally scum though. Vote nc or creature leon.

I'd rather no lynch than lynch leon this phase. I'm just throwing that out there now.

[Narna]

I could change to NC.

Do it

[Narna]

I could change to NC.

Do it

Scum titus just left. The nc wagon has never been more appealing with me, massive, and ank fueling it

[Narna]

Remember, scum motivation for goving town!me would involve nking me, which would be a bonehead scum move. If anyone has the slightest indication that I'm town, they should switch.

[Narna]

This miller is a killer.

vote: shiro

[Narna]

You checked the miller? Why?

I didn't know you got my sense of humor. You're too funny.

[Narna]

@SirCakez, I think Narna's fake.

I do not practically count as an investigative, and I knew it the minute McMemno claimed. A lot of the investigative are nerfed like that. The others are leashable.

For instance, we can force Shiro to target Leon because his role is the source of a lot of debate and Narna (although probably scum) we can force them to check Shiro. That way when Narna gets lynched tomorrow we either get an almost rock solid result or they have to make associative tells that help solve the divide.

You checked the miller? Why?

Cool scumclaim Titus.

[Narna]

My phone is dying. I'll be back in an hour.

[Narna]

Yeah, you see the part about Leon being dead...

How does Leon being dead change the validity of checking the miller? You'd have to think checking the miller with my pseudo gunsmith was viable to suggest the Leon plan in the first place.

[Narna]

Andrius, why is my death lawyer comment horrendous, but your "my three kill actions failed" comments aren't? I had no way of knowing I was about to be pardoned by Leon.

[Narna]

Obscuring a flip is one of the greater sins on this site, so to speak.
Alongside running a bastard game with only vanilla townies.
And vigging Equinox.

Anywho.
You're implying that you'll flip as scum.
Why, as town, would you say that your flip will be modified? You have no way of knowing that if it were true unless the mod said LOL YOU WILL FLIP AS A SCUMBAG HAVE FUN in which case the town needs to know immediately so we can vig you before My/LyLo.

What.
Were you mad and was all IM GONNA FLIP SCUM AS TOWN?
Because that're pretty petty. There's a greater good at stake for town-aligned players and saying selfish things is not one of them.

Some people might say I was gambiting.
I was doing my job as a town-aligned player to do what is within my power to help the faction win.

Saying your flip will be that of SCUM when you're town helps no one and you're just being petty.
Its horrible because you're just riling us up. If you're town and flip normally then you're just an ass/trolling/whatever and we can avoid you in future games. If you flip scum then either you were telling the truth after it should have been revealed OR you're scum trying to spin your flip to look like town because of your connections.


Also.
Of all the posts I've made since Daybreak, you come at me for my earlier play?
Please.
You're not going to address my vote?
Our belief you're scum?
Ok.

I said I was going to flip town, but was scum. I assumed I was going to die and you would all see me flip town.

Think

for more than half of a second, and realize that scum has zero reason to out a mechanic like that unless I were flipping scum. I could see scum doing that if they knew they were about to be governed, but the Leon flip says otherwise. I even clarified that I was town before the govern. You can blame your loss after doing nothing but push for my lynch four days straight on my twilight trolling if you want. It doesn't change that you've been dead wrong this whole time. I'm doing what little I can to address this vote...

VOTE: NARNA

IN THE WORDS OF DEARLY DEPARTED SLYSLY

KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL!!!!

KILL, KILL, KILL, KILL!!

KILL, KILL, KILL, KiLL!!!

KILL, KILL, KILL, KILL!!!!

[Narna]

No one objected to Titus when she was telling me to investigate Shiro. In fact, Andrius and Nahdia agreed with Titus that I should be leashed, but made no comment on the target she was putting up.

I am also under the impression that millers are only guilty to cops, and that if it were all encompassing, Shiro should have claimed it.

[Narna]

Which only serves to PRAISE MAGNA SINCE HE WAS FIRST TO BE LYNCHED
MOST COMPETENT PLAYER LYNCHED D1

Yeah he was on point with trying to lynch obvtown and me.

Quit complaining about the gamestate. It's not protown.

[Narna]

You missed something Titus.

Yeah, you see the part about Leon being dead...

How does Leon being dead change the validity of checking the miller? You'd have to think checking the miller with my pseudo gunsmith was viable to suggest the Leon plan in the first place.

[Narna]

Narna, what did you expect to get checking me ? Why you waste your power :/

This is a post from a buddy to a buddy.

Nope, this is a post of someone that believe someone else is town but being stupid.

Psychologist is legit role Narna has. It doesn't make much sense for scum to have that role, it is like giving scum gunsmith. It stupid and useless.

Like a day 9 coroner or some of the other ways that town has useless roles?

Now the argument is that my role is legit, but so useless that it fits in with the "two" useless town roles to balance scum?

[Narna]

She used me having a strong role as an excuse to lynch Leon all last phase. Now it's the complete opposite. She's just assuming I'm scum, and working backwards. It's hardly play based, and feels like a tunnel.

[Narna]

I think it says something that the largest wagon is on Narna despite all the madness.
And don't tell me Shiro's is the same size because I know Titus doesn't want Shiro lynched.

I think the fact that only 3 people are voting me now where I was lynched by this point last phase says something greater.

[Narna]

VOTE: Titus

Telling me to check the miller and then turning it on me is a scummy move. I also asked the mod when Shiro initially claimed, and they said they couldn't answer. "is/was able to kill" is hardly a normal result I'd expect to be miller'd.

[Narna]

You missed something Titus.

Yeah, you see the part about Leon being dead...

How does Leon being dead change the validity of checking the miller? You'd have to think checking the miller with my pseudo gunsmith was viable to suggest the Leon plan in the first place.

[Narna]

And then Narna's PR must be so valuable that she has to keep giving accurate info if that's the case.

The better Narna scum argument is that Narna burns herself to lynch Shiro.

Narna, what did you expect to get checking me ? Why you waste your power :/

This is a post from a buddy to a buddy.

Nope, this is a post of someone that believe someone else is town but being stupid.

Psychologist is legit role Narna has. It doesn't make much sense for scum to have that role, it is like giving scum gunsmith. It stupid and useless.

Like a day 9 coroner or some of the other ways that town has useless roles?

These conflicting statements about my role were both made this phase. Lynch it please.

[Narna]

You accused me of wasting my shot before Shiro or Ank said anything about how their roles supposedly work. If you were assuming I knew, why would you question me?

yeah the comments were a bit of a stretch. I'm trying to better illustrate this tunnel though.

[Narna]

Big news from the mod god. I just needed to word my question a little better. A miller would not return as having the ability to kill if they lacked that ability.

Vote: Shiro

Ank what did you ask Skullduggery when inquiring about your miller status?

[Narna]

Dear lord, I'm only 10% through. Are there any parts worth skipping?

Skip wingdings

And my claim is Gerson - Psychologist I can learn if another player has or has had the ability to kill each night. I believe it wasn't mentioned in that list.

[Narna]

Why would you target a Miller without 100% checking this beforehand?

Basically Andrius' 5938. I also said earlier that Shiro should have claimed if their miller status covered more than guilty/not guilty. No one objected to me checking Shiro the day before either, including Shiro.

[Narna]

That means that Shiro's version of miller is the same version of miller that mine is.

That means Narna is lying about being able to get an innocent result on Shiro, since my role PM specifically states that every investigative ability will return a guilty if I am in one of my miller states.

Killers can be not guilty.

[Narna]

Titus was voting Shiro before I out my result on him, but presses me once there is a growing wagon on her and a result on Shiro.

Actually if shiro is scum it makes sense Titus being scum too.
Funny things

This is still very true.

[Narna]

i checked Narna's ISO and i don't see where he said he was gonna target Shiro.

I specifically argue against my target being public knowledge after she recommends this, but Titus still made a proposition in http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p8504843. Ank makes the very next post and fails to comment on the futility of such an action. Shiro claims to have missed the post. Shiro is obviously adding to his claim now because he has to.

[Narna]

Why would you target a Miller without 100% checking this beforehand?

Basically Andrius' 5938. I also said earlier that Shiro should have claimed if their miller status covered more than guilty/not guilty. No one objected to me checking Shiro the day before either, including Shiro.

none of which explains why *you* didn't ask the mod beforehand.
I would of objected but honestly i've barely been reading this for the last couple of weeks, i need to rectify that and get back on board

i'll go look for Shiro's reaction to the thing yesterday, if the last part is true then Shiro is deffo scum.

I did ask the mod

VOTE: Titus

Telling me to check the miller and then turning it on me is a scummy move.

I also asked the mod when Shiro initially claimed, and they said they couldn't answer

. "is/was able to kill" is hardly a normal result I'd expect to be miller'd.

[Narna]

i checked Narna's ISO and i don't see where he said he was gonna target Shiro.

I specifically argue against my target being public knowledge after she recommends this, but Titus still made a proposition in 4946 Ank makes the very next post and fails to comment on the futility of such an action. Shiro claims to have missed the post. Shiro is obviously adding to his claim now because he has to.

kill me

[Narna]

That means that Shiro's version of miller is the same version of miller that mine is.

That means Narna is lying about being able to get an innocent result on Shiro,

since my role PM specifically states that every investigative ability will return a guilty if I am in one of my miller states.

Ank, why didn't you make that clear earlier? Most millers don't work like that, and to just tack on things people show up guilty to as they appear defeats the point of claiming miller early.

You also have to imagine that a miller fakeclaim would say they are immune to all investigations once incriminating evidence presents itself, regardless of Ank's role pm.

[Narna]

Not sure why psychologist would be an exception here.

I can get guilties on plenty of town roles from vigs to people who simply received a killing item. My results are different from mafia/not mafia which would fall under a usual miller's jurisdiction.

[Narna]

Our governor died for this guilty. Do him proud.

[Narna]

Narna will clear or confirm shiro alignment
VOTE: Narna

For record: This game is trash ; no offense mod

What happened to thinking titus and shiro are scumbuddies? That's more apparent now than ever fire.

[Narna]

The titus wagon was the biggeat wagon and had a few pledges when I doubled down on my Shiro guilty. I really don't want to play find the scum motivation again since it didn't end well for Leon, but here we are.

[Narna]

Anyone not voting Shiro or Narna is on my scumlist.

So Shiro, yeah?

[Narna]

Aaand we avoid the shut out.

Good shit guys.

[Narna]

Titus is probably scum. I really don't like Not Chara's silence this phase. The scummiest posts of the game are the ones blowing me up about checking the miller. I feel like the wagons after my initial claim, but before my doubling down will be very telling after the flip.

[Narna]

Ank was my strongest townread comming into this phase, so he might get a pass in regards to the miller thing. What did you misread earlier when you unvoted me anyway ank?

[Narna]

Town is getting trolled. Nahdia is/was not able to kill a player.

[Narna]

Town is getting trolled. Nahdia is/was not able to kill a player.

explain your Shiro result.

Fuck if I know dude. Maybe I'm insane? It would explain my massive result.

[Narna]

Godfather, bus driver, who knows
Narna is guaranteed to have lied about his role sooo

Wasn't Shiro softing that they checked me? My role is legit.

Narna, what did you expect to get checking me ? Why you waste your power :/

This is a post from a buddy to a buddy.

Nope, this is a post of someone that believe someone else is town but being stupid.

Psychologist is legit role Narna has. It doesn't make much sense for scum to have that role, it is like giving scum gunsmith. It stupid and useless.

I refuse to believe scum.would be given basically a gunsmith as a role.

It is fucking stupid and paired with Narna reaction after he for all intends and purposes was lynched make it highly unlikely.

[Narna]

No, Narna.
You're dying today.
You're flailing.
Chances are Shiro didn't receive your entire ROLE PM as that's just terrible modding.

He probably got a snippit.

Also.
1) PROVEN ROLE =/= PROVEN ALIGNMENT
2) THE ONLY INNOCENTS ARE BODIES

An investigation immune scum psychologist would be stupid. Basically you have to be scumreading both Giovanni and I, which is sadly kind of easy to do I guess.

[Narna]

VOTE: Almost50

?

[Narna]

Narna, I want to believe you. I really do. Everything makes sense for your role to be town except for the guilty you presented on Shiro.
What happened? Why did you tell everyone about this "guilty"? What went wrong?

Because I had a guilty on him. As for what went wrong, he flipped town.

kill me

[Narna]

Shiro told Andrius Cakez's role and he gets roleblocked. Funny isn't it?

[Narna]

Giovanni not dying after targeting Narna makes sense IF THEYRE BOTH SCUM.
He is trying to get us to step back from the NARNA LYNCH.

This makes absolutely no sense. Why would I come forth with such a ridiculous claim on the day Narna is most likely lynched? As Not chara said, I am out of the lynchpool partly because of my weak claim. Why would I ruin it to save a partner that is eventually doomed?

Well.
If Narna flips scum you and I will have words.

This is your answer? Yeah, this is fully a pitchfork-and-torch era we are currently through. Since the participants of this game left logic behind at some previous timestamp, I will do the same.

VOTE: Narna

This is an L-3 vote.

Let's get the big bad boogeyman out of the way. If Narna flips scum, then come at me. If not, then we will definitely have words, although of a different context.

Either way, if this isn't a troll no scum setup, Town is doomed.

For what purpose are you voting your innocent?

[Narna]

Actually it's highly likely there's a bus driver if Narna does end up town somehow

my investigative reads like Titus' with, "[name] is/was capable of killing another player." so it wouldn't be redirection.

[Narna]

I'm too spooked to post now.

[Narna]

Giovanni why are you doubting your weak investigate in my case, but not Maxous'?

[Narna]

The Shiro wagon is probably scumfueled since I'd be a guaranteed mislynch with Shiro flipping.

[Narna]

you were leading the shiro wagon >.>

And scum followed knowing this.

[Narna]

draw vote incoming

[Narna]

you guys should play it out though.

[Narna]

hand over the gun so I can vig a50

[Narna]

And before anyone starts suggesting otherwise,

A miller would not show up as able to kill if they lacked the ability to do so. I've doublechecked like 5 times, and I don't know what happened.

[Narna]

tinfoil: there is just a sk, and he wins as last man or on a draw vote.

Play it out, too risky.

[Narna]

Narna, did you pay any attention to the miller claims?

Yes, I asked about it in my role pm when Shiro originally claimed. I figured you might be able to kill in your miller state, so it could throw off your miller answer from skullduggz. Either way, the mod did assure me of how my role interacts with millers.

[Narna]

I get told the name of who I investigated in my report. Titus was like that as well.

[Narna]

@Nahdia my result came in the form of Leonshade is not a townie that is vanilla. Name was specified.

[Narna]

There's literally no possible way that is fact.

We're being trolled.

[Narna]

Voting for people who don't want to draw is a filthy way to circumvent the game.

[Narna]

Time for some next level tinfoil

And as for Narna; if he says something like "I'm being death lawyered" it most probably stems from him knowing there is a death lawyer in the game. We thus cannot be 100% positive all flipped players were town. After all, this is explicitly a bastard gamer, is it not?

I threw a game by fakeclaiming sk as town in 4 player lylo that a50 was a part of. Not to excuse the death lawyer comment, but it's odd the way he interprets it as me having some kind of knowledge instead of me being facetious. Because if it did exist, it would make sense from scum to assume there would be some kind of counter to it.

I pulled that role out of my ass though, so nothing to see here.

[Narna]

Our recent corpses were townreading me. Trust the corpses.

[Narna]

I forgot Titus wanted me dead for wagon compositions.

[Narna]

The spiders are watching me

[Narna]

If the N Clan is seriously all scum.
I might go buy whiskey and throw myself a party.

I'd buy you the oldest whiskey I could find if this were my scumplay.

[Narna]

It doesn't explain why the investigatives aren't being roleblocked though.

[Narna]

Narna give me one good reason why I shouldn't have you black-bagged and thrown in the river.

There is a weaker and scummier slot that would confirm me, if we hanged it first. I've also tried to start lynches on the current frontrunners in Maxous and a50 way earlier in the game.

Everyone that I read as town both before and after my replace out tells me you're a scumlord. Flipped town agrees and my neighbours all agree. I'm told you gave a fake result that led to a town mislynch.

VOTE: Narna

I gave a real result that led to a town mislynch It's better than when all of your townreads lynched our governor of all people. I don't think this is the time to trust what town wanted before when all town (including me) has done is misplay.

[Narna]

How do I know Giovanni isn't scum trying to save his buddy's ass?

I don't like how Narna was wagoned then pressure fell off her after she claimed(which is how it looks like from your summary).

I've had pressure on me 4/5 days straight, and if it looks like pressure on me died, it's because the most important day (in my opinion) of the game was one in which I couldn't be lynched thanks to the governor.

[Narna]

theory: scum are trying to confirm each other for the win. if we dismiss ever scum member as town by role or confirmation, or 'there's no reason to suspect scum would try and inno each other' a town lynch is inevitable.

fits with scum having control of the game.

Theory: scum are trying to confirm people who they think will be lynched regardless,

fits with scum having control of the game.

I don't want you to be scum bro :<

[Narna]

/replace in

Okay, I am NOT reading 260 pages of drivel. Ain't happening. New perspectives are better than just reinterpreting old data anyway, so you all start with a generally fresh slate with me. I'll read the last five or ten pages, the first five or ten pages, and selections that prove relevant, like final VCAs from each day. Plus I'll read my predecssor's ISO, as I can actually trust their motives.

So, what should I know?

I recommend reading d3.

[Narna]

Guys, Giovanni (a weak role who is also an investigative who gets a report, thus eliminating possibility of bus drivers) has an innocent on Narna. If you're going to vote Narna, provide an explanation for how this isn't valid.

You seemed to have done the work- did Giovanni validate Narna's target last night? I think he claimed weak follower, so wondering if he confirmed or in any way acknowledged Narna's result on you prior to or after the claimed result.

I caught Narna performing an investigative action last night.

N1 - Shiro
N2 - Nahdia
N3 - Not Chara
N4 - Creature.

For disclosure

Hold on a minute. Maxous has claimed to have targeted someone Night 2. However, when I targeted him Night 2, I received a message vaguely saying that either he didn't perform any action or my action didn't go through (I asked for clarification and I was said that it was vague on purpose).

Nahdia claimed to have been blocked Night 2, so it is safer to assume that something happened to me during Night 2.

Why would you out yourself for a sketchy Maxous result on d2? I know all of two people were scumreading the slot and all, but you didn't even out the whole result. I'm just trying to get into your head here. I don't have much of a hard conclusion to draw here.

[Narna]

A scum framer that makes their target appear even worse than what a normal miller already appears as, apparently.

Narna I want to know exactly how your role functions. I know you've said it before. Say it again.

I investigate a player every night and am told if that person hhas or had the ability to kill at some point in the game. I get their name, and I

confirmed

that a miller would not return with the ability to kill if it actually couldn't kill.

[Narna]

Oh yes it is and you only bring it up when I suggest the hood is a masonry? If you genuinely believed this you would have brought this up long before. Namely you would have been hood hunting for a different reason. What is much more likely is scum do not have eyes and it is a coincidence and could be using Nahdia as a puppet to their own will or Nahdia is scum. None of this at all has to do with the hood. You just wanted me or Accountant lynched and then when I poked an airplane sized hole through your bullshit you turned to Accountant.

Didn't we already have a talk about you jumping the gun after a certain game where you insisted Mirhawk was the scum in there and town read the real mole?? Come on, Math. Do your thing, but don't repeat the same mistakes, my friend.

If it was a Masonry then Accountant would've got the role of a MASONIZER. A Neighbourizer will recruit ANYONE (i.e. no guarantee on their alignment) and when a "fake" guilty arises on one member, another member gets NK'd, and someone's role gets revealed in the neighbourhood and they get RB'd on the very following night then if follows that it's MUCH MORE LIKELY there is a traitor in there (as in, MOLE, not the "role" of a Traitor).

You can't tell me SC got blocked the same night Titus got shot has more chance of being a coincidence than a planned scheme based on knowledge of info that otherwise should be privy to the neighbourhood members.

You were just suggesting that wasn't the case here,

SirCakez

is SCUM. At one point he was fabricating evidence on Pepto/Narna. I wasn't even town-reading Narna at that time, but the push was very much forced with circumstantial evidence. (Don't ask for explanations. ISO Cakez instead, please).

-snippet-

S-C-U-M: SirCakez,

Sircakez can not be scum, if you believe he was blocked by scum because of his role being leaked in the hood.

[Narna]

Now that Nahdia has somehow also confirmed the Shiro miller bit, Ank needs to explain this.

By the way, I can confirm that Narna should have gotten a guilty result on Shiro solely from the Miller tag.

Bonus, check out this posturing

Narna claiming an investigate on Shiro is basically claiming scum, although I just finished a game where Narna misplayed a PR, so :/

[Narna]

I am not unvoting narna until I get an explanation on how his "guilty" was town

Shiro must've had a public dayvig that they forgot about from d2.

[Narna]

The only two possible options are these:

1. Shiro's miller and my miller are different millers (unlikely, my role PM says "Miller" in the exact same way Shiro's did and from my question to Shiro on how his miller worked indicated that he had the same wording mine did)
2. Nahdia is lying his ass off to cover for Narna, because there is no other possible way that they're telling the truth since I would trust the mod's statement that role PMs are not lies over their BS statements.

3. Some kind of frame job
4. Ank was lying to validate his miller claim while discrediting me.

[Narna]

Being a killer isn't necessarily scum aligned.

[Narna]

That's completely irrelevant to anything:

Now that Nahdia has somehow also confirmed the Shiro miller bit

I proposed the miller might have worked in a way I had seen before which was "You would give the most unfavourable result to any and all investigative roles". Some refuted my proposition, somene said it was the case then they changed their mind and I gave up.

I checked this with Skull; it's not the case. It's a totally normal miller

How is that not relevant? My results are not scum-aligned/innocent. A normal miller would not alter the results of it.

[Narna]

I am not unvoting narna until I get an explanation on how his "guilty" was town

Shiro must've had a public dayvig that they forgot about from d2.

WTF? Where would that have come from?

I would be fine swinging Max but Narna still has yet to offer up an explanation. It's absurd.

This was in reference to Fire's "dayvig" from just before the replacening.

[Narna]

if Narna is "misunderstanding" his role there is gonna be war

- -

Narna is not -misunderstanding- their role.

[Narna]

I've also tried to start lynches on the current frontrunners in Maxous and a50 way earlier in the game.

The thing that bugs me is you didn't try to check on any of the people you are pushing to verify that they do/did possess the ability to kill. You're pushing certain slots and checking totally different slots, which is strange to say the least.

I've already explained how I wanted to sort lurkers like massive and shiro with my power since we don't seem to have a vig. I feel like l can read you, and checked nahdia since town was going full apathy and already claimed nonkiller. I thought it was a little suspicious that Nahdia hadn't been killed despite being an active player that seemingly hadn't given up while scum kills turds like slysly and nosferatu.

[Narna]

Math is making way too much sense this game.

[Narna]

in which there's NO INDICATION that a Miller does NOT return a guilty to a Gunsmith.

But Narna claimed their role wouldn't return a guilty on a miller. A miller, from the wiki. A miller, which is what Shiro was.

So, Narna knows how SHIRO's PM was worded?? Maybe Narna is right (or maybe he is wrong) about "a Miller from the Wiki", but the wiki says nothing about a Psychoiologist (there's a Psychiatrist though).. but anyway, the wiki page about the Miller makes no mention of either, so maybe Narna's role wouldn't have returned a guilty to a Miller that followed he wiki and the roles mentioned in the wiki. That doesn't mean anything because neither Narna's role is explicitly mentioned there nor was it the understanding of Shiro either, and Shiro being the one who received the Miller role and read the PM knows better than any of us, so when he says ALL checks he means ALL of them.

Do millers have passive guilt in skullduggery's other games?

I asked if I would be told that a miller could kill, even if they could not. The mod said that in such a case, no a miller would not appear able to kill.

[Narna]

I love you guys

[Narna]

I don't think gio was blocked n2. Wouldn't they have blocked him on n4 as well to keep the role useless and highly lynchable come lylo ? My guess would be that maxous is investigation immune.

@math, I would be told a name, and that my action failed if I hit an ascetic. I think.

[Narna]

I don't exactly remember what gio said he was told with his maxous investigate.

[Narna]

Hello! I am creeps20!

Can someone catch me up please? I REALLY don't want to sort through 284 pages

Spoiler: Brief Game Summary

Day 1

Various wagons are tested, Magna is eventually lynched.


Also during this day, the deadline was mysteriously extended by over 100 years after 516 occurred. Wingdings have become a common theme during the game and I’ll discuss them in more detail in the scum team speculation section.

Day 2

Narna and McMenno become competing counterwagons, ending with McMenno being lynched. From 4009 onward, ALL mod communication in thread becomes wingdings. Since McMenno’s flip is obscured by this, I’ll post the translation here:
McMenno was sans, town lazy coroner.
nighttime abilities: during the night phase, you may select any dead player in the game to learn who targeted that player with a killing action on the night that they died. if this player was targeted by more than one killing action, you will learn the identities of all of that player's killers. you may only use this ability starting on night 7.
(yes, it was all in lower case)

Day 3

Because McMenno flipped town, Narna is quickly wagoned. However, Leonshade uses his governor ability to save them. Leonshade is eventually lynched for this.

Day 4

Narna’s psychologist role (which detects if a player has or has ever had access to a kill) gets a “guilty” on Shiro, who denies ever having access to a kill. He is however a miller, which he claimed day 1. Narna asks in private Skullduggery if millers would show as “guilty” on her check and is told they will not. However, Shiro amends his miller claim to global miller, which returns all investigative results as if he were a scum-aligned player. Ankamius (also a miller) backs this up saying his role functions similarly.


As of 5802, the deadline this day was suddenly slashed by a roughly a week.

Spoiler: All Claims

I’m including in this softs, since I doubt much has escaped a full scumteam’s notice.


Worth noting that investigative roles receive full reports including the target’s name, which means speculation as to possible busdrivers is faulty. Titus (dead town) confirms this in 3633. Giovanni and Narna have both confirmed this as well.

SirCakez:

No claim. However his role has been made public in a neighborhood which I believe consists currently of Firebringer, Andrius, and Creature (?) as Shiro was in it previously and had rolecopped him. This is stated in 6187. He did as of 6213 state he was roleblocked, indicating his role is one which gets some sort of feedback.

Giovanni il Pellegrino:

Weak unclaimed investigative role. First claimed weak in 4483 (Day 3), first claimed investigative in 4541, as of 6162 he confirms his role receives feedback. He confirms in 6322 that his weak modifier triggers any time he targets anyone who is not town. In 4539 he also states his role is even-night only. He claims to have targeted Maxous night 2 and Narna night 4.

Maxous:

Roleblocker. Claimed 3625 (Day 2) Claims to have roleblocked Shiro night 1, which is confirmed by earlier Shiro in 3541. Night 2 and 3 actions not claimed (??). Night 4 block was Creature, claimed in 6361.

Creature:

No claim to my knowledge.

PeregrineV:

No claim to my knowledge.

Nahdia:

Jailkeeper. First claimed 2136 (you can find a working link for the audio in 4104, though I should mentioned Skullduggery asked that no one else do this). My role allows other people to target my target, just not kill them. I targeted zakk night 1, massive night 2, no one night 3, and Maxous night 4. Obviously I was either roleblocked night 1 or there was a strongkill, since zakk died. Claimed my night 1 action in 3430, night 2 action in 4353 (should note i was wrong about my role mechanics in that post), night 3 action in 5964, night 4 action on 6216. Flavor claimed (well, heavily softed but by writing it here I confirm it) Muffet.

Firebringer:

Neighborizer. I don’t know the order of the targets, but it seems to have at certain points contained himself, Andrius, Creature, Titus, and Shiro. Not 100% where this was claimed. Andrius mentions Titus was a neighbor in 6165 and refers again to a hood in 6184.

Not Chara:

No claim to my knowledge.

Ankamius:

In 126, Ankamius states that he has a miller state, a hated state, and benefits from hammering. In 5976, he clarifies that his miller state returns guilties on all investigatives.

BigYoshiFan:

No claim to my knowledge.

Narna:

Psychologist; claims to be told whether a player has or has ever had the ability to kill each night. First claims this in 4238 (I feel like it was earlier but can’t find anything?). Also in that post claims to have checked massive night 2, they cannot kill.. In 4246 Narna claims to have missed the deadline for submitting an action on Night 1. They got a “guilty” on Shiro on Night 3, as of post 5676. Claimed to have gotten a “cannot kill” on myself in 6164. Flavor claimed Gerson.

Almost50:

Heavily softed supersaint with flavor “Annoying Dog”. Supersaint softs include 940 and 947 (Gamma Emerald is the spot’s predecessor). I make a nod at Almost50’s role in 4950 and Almost50 acknowledges I know his role in 4957 and totally confirms it in 5116. Flavor soft of Annoying Dog is in posts 6124 and 6125.

Andrius:

...I’m not sure, really. Andrius flavor claims Frisk all over the place. Makes allusion to possible pacifist and genocide routes in 3135 and 4057 and a bunch of other places but I’m not sure what they mean. In 5922 he claims Titus knew his role, perhaps it’s stated in the neighborhood? In 6165 he says Titus knows his “secret”.

massive:

Softed fruit vendor in 4219. I know his flavor, but I’ll let him decide if he wants it outed.

[Narna]

For some reason Almost lost all heat..

I feel like lynching Pine, Maxous, or Giovanni. I think the scum in Maxous or Nahdia thing is a little shaky. Did Giovanni ever ask what would happen if he were roleblocked?

The Andrius slot started with some strong walls and then quickly degenerated into anti town gambiting, role fishing, and complaining. It seems like he only wanted me lynched for my twilight trolling after a certain point, which was after he had already lynched me. He also led a very unconvincing lynch on our governor. Pine seems pretty mia.

lolgiovanni outs himself to shield Maxous on d2, but neglects to tell us anything is fishy about his result until it starts looking like Maxous could be caught, while voting his nonsketchy innocent result (who was about to be lynched). It looks like a scum claim progression.

I feel like Maxous has mostly faded into the background until this point while town mislynches away. He's been subtly supporting some of these mislynches as well. Calling Leon disingenuous comes to mind here.

[Narna]

UNVOTE:

I'm also townreading acc/fb/acc.

[Narna]

I'm prepared to vote Maxous, but I would like to coordinate it in such a way that we don't give Ank the hammer. We already had a town sided hammer based role flip, and I don't trust him.

[Narna]

I feel really shitty having Math just come up and lead the lynch, but I did say that lynching Maxous was inevitable a while back.

[Narna]

Gio/Narna/Nahdia I wouldn't mind a town block with if Maxous flips scum as I think he should. If you want to lynch Narna you should be lynching Gio because of his innocent on Narna.

I know I hate town blocks usually but I am pulling a Titus here and let's hope it goes well.

Gio could still be scum. I'm cool with us 3 if Maxous is scum. We could maybe throw Creeps in it instead, if Maxous flips some kind of investigation immune role.

[Narna]

I think the scum in Maxous or Nahdia thing is a little shaky.

How is it shaky?

I'm not too eager to trust night actions given my guilty just flipped town, and it's bastard. It assumes a redirector, and scum claiming roleblocker when we already have a jailkeep is a little questionable without getting into some wine.

I still think he is likely scum given his connection to giovanni and his play.

[Narna]

I am curious about who Not Chara wants to see hang today. Along with Pine of course, but I'm expecting more from nc.

[Narna]

Does that make you see Math in a negative light since they have 300 posts in half a phase on primarily rolespec?

[Narna]

Please don't kill me Ank

VOTE: Maxous

[Narna]

Spoiler:

KILL, KILL, KILL, KILL!!!!

[Narna]

It's not too late to swoop the hammer, no rush.

[Narna]

Guys, Giovanni (a weak role who is also an investigative who gets a report, thus eliminating possibility of bus drivers) has an innocent on Narna. If you're going to vote Narna, provide an explanation for how this isn't valid.

You seemed to have done the work- did Giovanni validate Narna's target last night? I think he claimed weak follower, so wondering if he confirmed or in any way acknowledged Narna's result on you prior to or after the claimed result.

I caught Narna performing an investigative action last night.

N1 - Shiro
N2 - Nahdia
N3 - Not Chara
N4 - Creature.

For disclosure

Hold on a minute. Maxous has claimed to have targeted someone Night 2. However, when I targeted him Night 2, I received a message vaguely saying that either he didn't perform any action or my action didn't go through (I asked for clarification and I was said that it was vague on purpose).

Nahdia claimed to have been blocked Night 2, so it is safer to assume that something happened to me during Night 2.

Maxous either knows Giovanni is telling the truth from the ascetic bit Giovanni hints at here, or knows he is lying because they are scumbuddies. However, he too goes on to vote Giovanni's legitimized innocent.

cutting through this fluff

how about Nahdia roleblocks Not Chara and we'll see what happens there
I'll roleblock Massive to make sure i'm targeting a confirmable role

that should prove these theories wrong I believe

VOTE: Narna

Maxous is playing to his antitown win condition at best, or is just scum. Rope it.

[Narna]

Do you have any other toys left?

[Narna]

The better question is give us a reason to not lynch you. What have you done for town?

8 dead town
14 players with 4~5 scum.
I can give a not-scumteam vote and you can lynch ACTUAL scumteam before the game becomes too tight

plus i might catch the scumkill with my roleblock. It is what I was genuinely trying to do (which is why i left all the investigatives alone, as i knew they wouldn't be performing night kills )

Or we could mislynch and give scum+you the majority.

[Narna]

SirCakez
Giovanni il Pellegrino
Maxous
MathBlade
PeregrineV
Nahdia
Accountant
Not Chara
Ank
BigYoshiFan
Narna
Almost50
Pine
Creeps20

This means if Maxous and Gio and Ank truth tellers

All scum in SirCakez, PeregrineV,Accountant,Not Chara, BigYoshiFan, Almost50,Pine,and Creeps20

I don't see much of a reason to trust Ank still.

A50, NC, BYF
Pine, SC
PV, Accountant
---
Creeps
I have a "can't kill" result on Creeps, but they do need to get active. I would flip NC and PV if Maxous flips red.

[Narna]

SirCakez
Giovanni il Pellegrino
Maxous
MathBlade
PeregrineV
Nahdia
Accountant
Not Chara
Ank
BigYoshiFan
Narna
Almost50
Pine
Creeps20

This means if Maxous and Gio and Ank truth tellers

All scum in SirCakez, PeregrineV,Accountant,Not Chara, BigYoshiFan, Almost50,Pine,and Creeps20

I don't see much of a reason to trust Ank still.

A50, NC, BYF
Pine, SC
PV, Accountant
---
Creeps
I have a "can't kill" result on Creeps, but they do need to get active. I would switch NC and PV if Maxous flips red.

ebwop

Also, Math is still on the table if Maxous really is third party.

[Narna]

shit I'm retarded,

If Creeps being at the bottom didn't make it apparent, the list goes from top scumreads to lesser.

[Narna]

:shrug:

i was pushing the not-me wagon most likely to get lynched.
for obvious reasons

You should have been more like Slysly. He stood up for his townie principles by avoiding his alt wincon.

[Narna]

Where would I be in that list?

Granted I am not conf!town to anyone obviously but I am going to listen to everyone's reads tonight and then compare them against their ISOs. Since I know I am town it narrows that list.

Between SC and PV.

[Narna]

Maxous didn't claim ascetic townie until d3 in cyberpunk mafia... There is a slight chance he is telling the truth here.

I still don't trust him to play to our win con with town being so far behind, and he's already been playing to survive more than anything.

VOTE: Maxous

[Narna]

If he flips red, you are for sure being redirected.

i'll assume that is Narna, Not Chara and Nahdia.

if menno flips town, I agree with narna and Chara shots.

I don't agree with a Nahdia shot, i'm not sure what the problem with them here is, i think they're town

.

[Narna]

Please out all of your results and which night.

n1-no one
n2-Massive/Creeps couldn't kill
n3-Shiro could kill
n4-Nahdia couldn't kill

[Narna]

Please out all of your results and which night.

n1-no one
n2-Massive/Creeps couldn't kill
n3-Shiro could kill
n4-Nahdia couldn't kill

Maybe you are the paranoid version of whatever you are. I thought Shiro flipped some non-killing role.

It's possible that I'm insane. Are you scumreading Nahdia and Creeps?

[Narna]

Please out all of your results and which night.

n1-no one
n2-Massive/Creeps couldn't kill
n3-Shiro could kill
n4-Nahdia couldn't kill

Why did you visit no one night one?

I missed the deadline.

And can you check yourself? If you can't check Ank. He claimed he could kill.

More than likely results accurate and ton derp though. Especially since mod can't lie.

I'd like to keep my target hidden in case there actually is a framer. I also don't doubt that Ank will be able to kill if he gets a hammer.

[Narna]

This is ridiculous.

A50, you have to have Narna as confirmed scum in your eyes. Because yes, that

is

the only conclusion if you're going to take this path of reasoning.

Unless you seriously think when Narna asked what their result targeting a miller would be, Skullduggery decided to answer Narna's question

using a different variation of miller than the one used in this game

.

Some would argue that would be very misleading. Thinking the miller is the reason I got a guilty would violate the same rule that "prevents" the sanity theory. The mod told me a miller wouldn't fuck with me. Stop making me repeat this.

[Narna]

This a50 is reminding me of caught a50 in deathnote mafia.

[Narna]

Would a miller return as is/was capable of killing even if they could not kill.

Nope nope nope they wouldn't

[Narna]

This a50 is reminding me of caught a50 in deathnote mafia.

this would be a lot easier if that was the case.

1) his theorizing in that game was more grounded in mechanics that were actually possible, though it was an attempt at replicating his town meta. and this wasn't my influence, because he was doing that on his own.

2) i doubt he'd resort to a tactic i just saw him try as his hydra partner in this game.

3) besides that, they don't look similar to me. can you be more specific.

I'll look into it when I'm not on my phone. I remember him trying to discredit me using Wake's massive when I pointed out that doc was far more likely to be a scumrole with the deathnote mechanics.

[Narna]

Would a miller return as is/was capable of killing even if they could not kill.

Nope nope nope they wouldn't

'a miller'. we're not talking about the wiki's miller, we're talking about the miller in this bastard game. was Skull answering for the generic 'miller' or for a universal miller? or did you specifically ask about Shiro's flipped miller role?

pedit: that.

Skull is linking kids the wiki page when they inquire about the miller, but it's not the miller from the wiki? How is that not intentionally misleading?

The wiki says that there can be specialized millers for roles that aren't gs or cop. The flip does not indicate anything of the sort.

[Narna]

Seriously with all the cops in this game Miller would have to operate differently than the wiki else it is almost useless.

Tell me our vanilla cop was anything but useless as well. The miller role would still more than likely force the miller to claim. It's more impactful than the vanilla cop in that regard.

[Narna]

Whatever, I'm over it.

We will see.

Did you kill zakk math?

[Narna]

If I had targeted shiro's rolecop miller, would I have normally been given is/was able to kill even if he could not?

[Narna]

-Nope

[Narna]

you semantic arguing twats

[Narna]

Math's trying to hide his framer.

[Narna]

after they killed Titus and Zakk

[Narna]

after they killed Titus and Zakk

ok now might not be the time for shitposting

[Narna]

We're

finally

about to lynch anti town. You're anger is misplaced if you're a townie friend.

I'm not trying to argue that I didn't make mistakes. I'm just making sure I don't mislead town about the Shiro lynch.

[Narna]

Math arguing tooth and nail about other people's role pms is reminiscent of town!math from Wake's role madness.

but hold up

@Narna The Shiro lynch is done. It is spilled milk.

I believe you derped you believe framer

. Fine. At the end of the day you're still Town. (barring insanities like Godfather to all cops which based on your play I doubt) The town block still exists.

Do you still maintain the idea that I'm misreading something or not asking the right question?

Checking the miller based on assumptions was a -mistake-. This is important though, and my last question leaves zero room for error without the mod lying.

[Narna]

Yes. That is my belief. I believe you derped; you believe framer. The mod said they cannot answer the question you posted as worded so yes I believe that you are misreading something. Skullduggery based on my limited interaction with him seems like a rules guy. And very strict. Whatever question you asked likely left you with that impression

if you asked a leading question about a miller versus the miller in this game

.

If I had targeted

shiro's rolecop miller

, would I have normally been given is/was able to kill even if he could not?

You can not be serious.

End the day, we need a recess. We need Maxous' flip before we can do much more speculation on Gio's ties to him.

[Narna]

Scum can potentially win with Maxous if we mislynch today.

[Narna]

There is the off chance that Maxous flips red.

Not claiming ascetic tends to get you policy lynched.

He tried to lynch an innocent where he had reason to believe it was legit.

We don't win with third party.

Who gives a shit about his roleblock?

anything Nahdia is saying

[Narna]

The mod just killed the insane Narna theory. Shiro was either framed or came into some killing power they weren't told about.

Math, of course I asked my more specific question today after the flip. There is no reason the mod can't tell me how my role interacts with a dead miller that I investigated. You're townreading me, and town has no reason to fabricate this.

[Narna]

I'm struggling to understand Ank's point here. I've been a detrimental presence to town, so we can't lynch another who already claimed they win with scum?

[Narna]

VOTE: Not Chara

[Narna]

I feel like Not Chara has been handing out townreads, and not pushing anything pretty much all game.

Accountant can't kill.

Math's wine was unprompted and felt bad.

Who did Nahdia jail?

Why am I not in this hood?

[Narna]

1) why can't I kill?
2) when did math bring out the alcohol?
3) because I don't trust you.

What's your result?

1) My result from n5
2)

TBH if there was a culting Math makes sense as a target for it with their thread presence and generally being townread

...First of all

1) I was not universally townread. Scum and one person I townread who I didn't before (Ank) were trying to mislynch me.

2) Even if I was universally townread -- Scum would be planning to use me as a mislynch anyway for the very thing you are suggesting.

Pretty much I know I am lynchbait because of the cult suggestion so I am trying to get out what reads I do have.

However, it's looking pretty prompted while looking at it now. wew
3) But Math trusts me

[Narna]

I would pick pv for durability and Ank for power if I were culting/picking another scumteam.

[Narna]

It doesn't.

[Narna]

Me being an investigative does though.

[Narna]

I understand that is why it is a suggestion.

This is in regards to checking self or Ank from yesterday. Using your logic why did you not check Ank?

I already got confirmation on my sanity, and checking Ank would be fucking stupid. What logic are you talking about?

The slot recruited an outed Shiro into they neighborhood, and scum not knowing who I check can only be a good thing.

[Narna]

I understand that is why it is a suggestion.

This is in regards to checking self or Ank from yesterday. Using your logic why did you not check Ank?

I already got confirmation on my sanity, and checking Ank would be fucking stupid. What logic are you talking about?

The slot recruited an outed Shiro into they neighborhood, and scum not knowing who I check can only be a good thing.

I think that was not a smart recruit.

Ank check not stupid because

you said since N2. It would have confirmed something.

You lost me, gimme a quote when you have time.

[Narna]

Also something to consider is that all people could be the mafia now. Regardless of role.

What ?

[Narna]

SirCakez on N2 who did you visit? I know super random can't find it in my notes here. So if you said it already sorry. Since you claimed roleblock I am assuming you visit people.

Not Chara -- I would be showing a bit more concern if a person who is a claimed psychologist votes you. You just asked for results. Very defeatist to me

the lack of concern would be because i know he doesn't have a guilty.

Why did you assume the (probable) framer didn't target you?

[Narna]

I feel like Not Chara has been handing out townreads, and not pushing anything pretty much all game.

Accountant can't kill.

'Not Chara hasn't been pushing anything'. oh, you've managed to piss me off.

why did you check Accountant. why not check me? or someone else who might actually get mislynched if town.

I see you agreeing with your scumread and sort of half pushing him.

I felt like I made it obvious I was going to check you and didn't want to run the risk of another framejob. Accountant's end of day also pinged me.

[Narna]

I love the self vote, but A50 isn't funposting quite hard enough to be town.

[Narna]

Also something to consider is that all people could be the mafia now. Regardless of role.

What ?

Nevermind, I need sleep.

[Narna]

Math is on another planet this phase.

[Narna]

They kind of seem townie, but it's a striking difference from last phase.

[Narna]

As it should be.

Maxous was a liar pure and simple. It was a matter of getting people to vote him with the damning night actions. Right now I don't have that smoking gun. I have my gut. Therefore I demonstrate my thoughts and lay them out. My gut is not an airtight case. When I have one I will present it as such.

I am working on not tunneling and improving my play but in that instance it was worth it and right.

Again more thoughts on the dastardly trio should be posted. What are your thoughts?

NC may have slipped with the no guilty comment. I'm lowkey cool with Ank hammering and culling A50, and hopefully pressuring PV and Pine into playing. I could compromise on BYF.

[Narna]

Almost, your argument would be better if you stopped trying to lynch yourself.

i don't want to lynch Yoshi because he's being reasonable, and Math is being distinctly unreasonable and glaringly wrong. at this point i don't even have townreads, but i hate seeing so many votes put down based on faulty logic.

Almost didn't scumclaim. obviously. and neither did i.

Narna: a framer has not been confirmed, and you know it. why would i assume i'd been framed? scum aren't going to listen to you telegraphing your investigations anyway.

and if i was scum, and you checked me, you would have gotten a guilty. so avoiding the possibility of a framer would have just made me look worse.

point is? i wasn't thinking about a framer.

That's not necessarily true, but alright. Who do you actually want lynched?

[Narna]

I don't want to lynch Yoshi either, but Math and Cakez sullied the a50 wagon. I don't believe a townie would follow that vote in good faith.

UNVOTE:

I'm tempted to vote Cakez, but I need to read what Shiro said about him when I have time.

[Narna]

Nahdia got culted

[Narna]

Mafia neighborizer, hmmm....

Narna, what makes you say that?

It's somewhere between a blind guess and a gut read. In any event, Nahdia should keep jailing to prove they weren't.

[Narna]

Math stop misrepping people.

It's a real boner killer for this game.

[Narna]

ank and acc, is Cakez town?

[Narna]

Mafia neighborizer, hmmm....

Narna, what makes you say that?

It's somewhere between a blind guess and a gut read. In any event, Nahdia should keep jailing to prove they weren't.

what makes you think i'd lose my jailkeep if i were culted.......................???????????

Cults tend to revoke powers. It's not a for sure thing, but you'd be mighty implicated if you did lose it.

[Narna]

I don't like A50's scumread on Acc.

[Narna]

Good meeting clan.

[Narna]

I'm cool with forcing claims out of Pine and PV

[Narna]

I am not cool with that. Massclaim = horrible idea.

There is a reason there is an NK. Let's not give that to Not Chara who is very likely scum. Again Not Chara why are you going back on your D1 statement of no claiming except in LyLO?

It's because you're bulletproof or because Maxous was dead. We're not accepting doctor claims at this juncture.

[Narna]

But I suggested them claiming at a closed door meeting.

[Narna]

I'm thinking A50 has a mechanic similar to Maxous. I will be very unhappy if Ank doesn't get the hammer to safely kill him at night.

[Narna]

whoops

[Narna]

Let's summon pv

VOTE: pv

[Narna]

PeregrineV: You aren't bad enough to think I'm scum this game. How haven't you figured out I'm town yet?

I think you're town.

Given my notoriously wrong reads, you're probably scum.

Right now, I feel like we either have enough claims to solve or test them, but even that supposition is getting no support.

Mathblade is looking more and more like he's trying to look productive than I feel he actually is productive.

That's the phrase I'm looking for! PV is town.

Doubtful. PV isn't hunting like normal PV now that he is actually posting. Going to have to reevaluate my holy trinity actually.

VOTE: Unvote

PV doesn't do the summarize claim stuff.

Town pv did summarize claim stuff in Homestuck and Wake's massive.

[Narna]

VOTE: A50

I've got my iron sights on the dog. I don't care too much at the moment, but I think the scum is in a50, NC, and pine/pv. If the new faction thing is legit, it's cakez, math, and nahds. Yoshi and Math are toss ups, but I was townreading their slots before replacing in.

I don't think Andrius was townie, and Pine not contributing looks glaringly bad coupled with their 3 attempts to lynch the mod after we had already done it. They're faking posts, but their stupid not replace out post means it could be from either alignment.

Ank gets hammer, or I'm going to riot.

[Narna]

Well this day honestly feels like scum theater with Math, a50, and Yoshi going off on eachother and running in circles.

I feel like you three are the least likely to be lynched, so if there was choice involved, at least two of you would have been picked up.

[Narna]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=15364

Which of these posts do you mean?

I remembered Wake's incorrectly then. He asks for hood info and delegate the claim list compiling, but I'm confident he played a lot of catch up and claim compiling in Homestuck. I'll find an example

Elaborate on the vt thing please. Ank said you were making stuff up, and the scenario you described would be damming enough to lynch one of the hood members.

[Narna]

Same, I mean I am quite unlynchable this game. I'm just afraid the n-clan defected.

[Narna]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=15364

Which of these posts do you mean?

I remembered Wake's incorrectly then. He asks for hood info and delegate the claim list compiling, but I'm confident he played a lot of catch up and claim compiling in Homestuck. I'll find an example

meta is boring

[Narna]

Math switch back to a50

[Narna]

Math switch back to a50

I scumread both. Why?

@JaeReed -- Hello. Word of warning lots of pages. You also have a PT with me and others. I think you might also have a scum PT too. That last one is gut.

Yoshi has a solid claim. A50 is an annoying mutt.

[Narna]

Math switch back to a50

I scumread both. Why?

@JaeReed -- Hello. Word of warning lots of pages. You also have a PT with me and others. I think you might also have a scum PT too. That last one is gut.

Yoshi has a solid claim. A50 is an annoying mutt.

No Yoshi doesn't. He has something you want to believe.

It's already been said, but no one else has taken credit for the lack of a kill.

[Narna]

The leon lynch was fucking hilarious. I wanna do it again.

[Narna]

Who do you think is most likely scum that isn't Accountant Ank? My one game meta read on the slot is infallible.

[Narna]

The leon lynch was fucking hilarious. I wanna do it again.

Wtf?

You had to be there.

[Narna]

So we're lynching someone from the hood right?

[Narna]

When were you given the neapolitan?

[Narna]

When were you given the neapolitan?

Last night. Claimed it at start of day.

Was it from Cakez?

[Narna]

I still want Creeps & Narna to answer my god damn questions.

If I had targeted shiro's rolecop miller, would I have normally been given is/was able to kill even if he could not?

-Nope

you semantic arguing twats

[Narna]

lock-town: Almost, Nahdia, Mathblade, Giovanni.

Where am I?

[Narna]

Without getting into the whole Narna please do X routine again I think it may depend on the exact wording of Narna's role PM

If they are checking on N2 if someone could kill that is different than since. It may end up with many false clears. Would be interested in an Ank check from this slot and then verify something.

It's not a n2 check. I think you're misunderstanding something

[Narna]

This was also to Narna. With all the cop claims it is foolish to think evil doesn't have a gf.

I was rolecopped, try again.

I think we should lynch from cakez, nc, math, and nahdia. However if I'm being honest, I can lynch anything that isn't me or Yoshi.

Merry Christmas.

[Narna]

Dammit Shiro

I am Gerson - Psychologist

I can investigate a player every night and find out if they have or have had the ability to kill up until that point.

So Massive has had no ability to kill as of n2, and therefore he is town.

The second sentence is me detailing my massive result from n2. No circle jerk for me. Something happened with Shiro, and it makes me suspicious of cakez's lack of a n3 action.

[Narna]

pretty much on the same page as chara except i wouldnt really call almost50 as lock-town, but i guess he's close-ish?

Where am I?

[Narna]

VOTE: sir cakez

[Narna]

Massive did not deserve bp. Maybe it's hindsight, but zakk seems like the only obvious town at that point in the game. I need to reread cakez's explanation for giving it to you, but I already typed this out on my phone.

[Narna]

Whoops wrong peeps. Scratch that