Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[Nahdia]

VOTE: Skullduggery

VOTE: Skullduggery

VOTE: Skullduggery

VOTE: skullduggery

Skullduggery was lynched on Day 1.
Skullduggery was

Jerry, Super Ultra Mega Hated Third Party Who Only Needs Four Votes To Be Lynched

.

Blargh, you got me. I've been eliminated and there's no way for me to win the game now. Your reward for lynching me is a fleeting sense of accomplishment.

Day 1 continues. As a courtesy, I've moved your votes back to wherever they were before you voted for me. Aren't I nice?

[Nahdia]

how about we just throw away most of what i said in my theory post.

the gist of it is: i won't accept any theories/courses of action that rely on the lack of a scumteam in the first half of the game. that said, a mass-culting event isn't out of the realm of possibility.

Wait! I need to get this one straight. Do we have a "mass culting" or just a "cult" now? I mean, according to your theory/best guess?

What I mean is, I though we were talking about a possible SINGLE CULTIST who would have to pick a target to recruit each night, and is prone to success or failure.

A "mass" culting though would mean we already have a faction called "The Cult" (or something similar, such as the GASTER worshipers ) who would not actually mechanically act like a cult (i.e. they'd have no ability to recruit any new members) but will have to have one member alive at the end of the game to win (in other words, a mass of survivours.. a survivour faction.. you know what I mean having played in Mastin2's Gitsou)

I'm fairly sure based on the 1 day gap between "Technical Difficulties" and night start, and then the extended night phase, there was a mass recruitment creating this "survivor" faction (which we can't win with, so calling them survivors is a bit of a misnomer). It's possible Maxous just targeted someone to become a cult leader, but then that doesn't really explain the extended night phase.

[Nahdia]

Or mod was AFK for that day. *Shrug*

This doesn't make any sense. Why would they post "Technical Difficulties: Please Hold" but not just start the night. Christ almighty, MathBlade, are you even listening to yourself???

[Nahdia]

Or mod was AFK for that day. *Shrug*

This doesn't make any sense. Why would they post "Technical Difficulties: Please Hold" but not just start the night. Christ almighty, MathBlade, are you even listening to yourself???

Because they could be AFK? I don't know I am not the mod. The point is trying to use the mod to read gamestate in bastard game is dumb.

Why are you so eager to dismiss what little information we have

[Nahdia]

Why, because I was right about Maxous?

[Nahdia]

I mean, it had to happen eventually. Unless you still think we were supposed to leave that monstrosity alive.

[Nahdia]

The only thing I'm pushing right now is an understanding of the gamestate.

[Nahdia]

And, again, I was

right

about Maxous.

[Nahdia]

Right. Planned to get lynched. Of course. That's why he reset the entire day when he was at L-1 the first time. That's why he defended himself repeatedly against MathBlade.

He only shut up once I started making the logical argument that, in desperation, he'd claimed something that's a contradiction to moderator information. He fucked up.

[Nahdia]

Correction I was right and brought people kicking and screaming. You caught on and voted later and still occasionally tired to lynch yoshi during it.

EXCUSE ME? YOU WANTED TO LET MAXOUS LIVE WHEN HE CLAIMED SURVIVOR.

[Nahdia]

I'm so fucking done.

I'm this fucking close to replacing out. I can accept being scumread, but when people just whine and cry and say "no no no" in the face of basic fucking logic it's so intolerable.

[Nahdia]

I realize I'm being hypocritical based on what I yelled at SlySly for earlier. I won't replace out, just, uhg. The attitudes in this game are so insanely infuriating.

[Nahdia]

well to be fair, we

have

mislynched a lot of town.

[Nahdia]

Scum know likely how many people got culted if any.

where are you getting this stuff, math.

[Nahdia]

none of that leads to your conclusion.

[Nahdia]

try again.

[Nahdia]

the only conclusion from that is "scum might be able to suss an inclination that any number of their own members were culted. maybe. or maybe they wouldn't notice."

literally the last point in your logic dictates scum already have access to what you're trying to provide a proof for.

so try again, maybe.

[Nahdia]

Nahdia got culted

i wish.

[Nahdia]

seriously, i would be so damn happy if i was part ofthe informed minority in this game. im craving information.

[Nahdia]

Mafia neighborizer, hmmm....

Narna, what makes you say that?

It's somewhere between a blind guess and a gut read. In any event, Nahdia should keep jailing to prove they weren't.

what makes you think i'd lose my jailkeep if i were culted.......................???????????

[Nahdia]

if anything, mathblade gave me a second wind.

which is all but exhausted now.

[Nahdia]

since when is Cakez obvtown

[Nahdia]

fair enough.

[Nahdia]

Well, if someone calls their shot, and then they shoot someone else, you lynch them.

[Nahdia]

Course, we could have redirect shenanigans. Who knows?

[Nahdia]

well, do you want me to jail you?

[Nahdia]

will do.

[Nahdia]

but then, didn't you say your null results are the same as your roleblocked results? : |

[Nahdia]

but then, didn't you say your null results are the same as your roleblocked results? : |

[Nahdia]

Alright.

I hope you like spiders.

[Nahdia]

something something pants something.

[Nahdia]

i dont particularly think a massclaim will clear a lot up.

[Nahdia]

you think he'd make an annoying dog faction if we killed him?

Gamma did tell town to "not vig me" so I don't think it's any safer.

[Nahdia]

the true face of evil in this town

[Nahdia]

But wait! There's more!

[Nahdia]

A50 later claimed he's decidedly not Supersaint, or anything that can actually kill anyone.

Still, whoever does kill (or hammer) A50 is probably going to be annoyed.

[Nahdia]

Can you guys do me a favor and clarify who was added to the neighborhood when? Some stuff isn't adding up in my head.

[Nahdia]

Oh.

OH.

Nevermind, got it.

[Nahdia]

If Narna is town and has can't kill since N2 on Nahdia and Creeps this makes them Town.

(that might be culted)

[Nahdia]

Narna also got a can't kill result on Accountant.

[Nahdia]

groan.

UNVOTE:

iunno.

[Nahdia]

Only reason I'm unvoting you is that there's no other explanation for the no kill. I don't buy that they'd shoot Math.

Remind me; what day did you replace in on?

[Nahdia]

Why not use it Night 4 or Night 5?

[Nahdia]

temmie wouldn't betray me.

[Nahdia]

Let's shoot the dog.

VOTE: Almost50

[Nahdia]

S H O O T T H E D O G

[Nahdia]

[Nahdia]

Yoshi didn't replace Andrius. They replaced SnarkySnowman.

[Nahdia]

Toriel is undoubtedly a character that would be included in this game.

this is a terrible assumption. Skullduggery is experienced enough to not have their games easily flavor broken.

[Nahdia]

my assessment is goat mom is real.

let's shoot the dog.

[Nahdia]

mathblade he's obviously faking. jeeze.

[Nahdia]

don't stress yourself out. take your time, my friend~

[Nahdia]

So what's your explanation for the kills then?

[Nahdia]

shoot the dog

[Nahdia]

This claim seems fake as hell

Not really, considering we have no other explanation for zero deaths. What seems fake about it?

[Nahdia]

let's shoot the dog

@Cakez I didn't target anyone last night.

[Nahdia]

i can settle on PV, but i want to shoot the dog.

[Nahdia]

let's shoot the dog

@Cakez I didn't target anyone last night.

wut
Why not?

i explained this multiple times.

[Nahdia]

imagine me and math being in the new faction and scum theatering the start to today.

[Nahdia]

i am a bit offended i didnt get culted, ya

[Nahdia]

Don't ew post.

[Nahdia]

heya jae.

[Nahdia]

your slot is a mystery surrounded by an enigma. clear some stuff up for us why don't you?

[Nahdia]

here's what you need to know

a lot of people claimed. some people didn't claim.
there's a neighborhood with people in it. you're in the neighborhood i think.
you're frisk. i'm still lowkey worried you're actually chara and actually a genocidal maniac.
we havent found any scum.
we lynched gaster and when he died the mod posted this huge threatening message clearly meant to be from gaster (bc wingdings) saying "A new faction has been created. MY FACTION." which suggests a mass culting or something to that effect. there's other things that kinda suggest this but i won't get technical.
no one died last night. only possible explanations are mathblade's bulletproof somehow interfering (unlikely unless there's a redirector considering math's BP was already claimed) or Yoshi's power (1-shot universal doctor but SOME people are calling it a fakeclaim).
i want to shoot the dog. please help me shoot the dog. (a50 is the dog)

[Nahdia]

claims:

sircakez: i don't know, but you do. it's in that hood you're in.
giovanni: even night weak follower. didn't die visiting narna n4. n2 he was roleblocked, clearly.
mathblade: bp.
peregrinev: no claim
nahdia: jailkeeper (i didn't jail last night so no that's not why no kill happened)
accountant: neighborizer i think
not chara: something investigative
ankamius: idk his claim is confusing his role changes every time he hammers some1 i think rn he's a vig?
bigyoshifan: 1-shot universal doc priestess (cannot hammer)
narna: psychologist (checks ppl to see if they can ever kill). innos on myself, account, and uh.... i forget.
almost50: annoying dog that we should shoot. something happens to whoever kills/hammers them. apparently not a supersaint/bomb but, it will be annoying.
jaereed: you're frisk.
creeps20: hOI!

[Nahdia]

now help me remove the annoying dog.

[Nahdia]

besides that it's mostly 350 pages of bullshit.

[Nahdia]

You do understand I'm referring to Chara the undertale character, not Chara as in Not Chara, right?

[Nahdia]

And like, if Jae's slot is scum they're almost certainly Chara.

[Nahdia]

Why would anyone claim Chara? That would be a terrible claim and we'd lynch it immediately.

[Nahdia]

In fact I'm tempting to lynch it right now, but I'll hear Jae out first. I really want like, a very detailed claim from that slot.

[Nahdia]

Speak sense.

[Nahdia]

They've claimed not Chara.

Why should we believe that?

[Nahdia]

You're really not.

[Nahdia]

Nope, doesn't make sense.

[Nahdia]

Yes, I'm aware you're referring to that.

Doesn't mean your words make sense.

[Nahdia]

You're referring to information in the neighborhood as if it's a masonry.

Yoshi, for the last fucking time, stop calling Math a he. They're a they. It's not actually hard, dude.

[Nahdia]

If someone claimed Chara in the neighborhood, tell us.

[Nahdia]

I had assumed no one had because, you know, you'd have to be

brain dead

to protect someone claiming that.

[Nahdia]

Man, 15 minutes paying attention to this thread and already you've made me tired of it.

Jae, when you read this, please do the following
1) Tell Math to suck it.
2) Full claim,

in this thread

.

[Nahdia]

Let's hear it. Those in favor of lynching the demon child say I.

[Nahdia]

Hear ye hear ye, come forth ye faithful and ye reverent.

[Nahdia]

Do forgive me for not bothering to read between the lines this deep in, MathBlade. I don't have much patience left.

[Nahdia]

Let's let Chara hammer, guys.

[Nahdia]

Who is clear?

[Nahdia]

There are CLEARS this game? Man, what have you guys been doing in that neighborhood?

[Nahdia]

I say we make Chara shoot the dog.

[Nahdia]

But what if we make him shoot the dog? Then the dog will annoy him. Everybody wins.

[Nahdia]

Then have him hammer the dog.

[Nahdia]

We can force him. It'll be like making someone walk the plank, except instead of a plank, it's a mafia game. And instead of falling into the ocean, he gets annoyed by a dog.

[Nahdia]

No, MathBlade.

You don't really have to full claim. I do WANT you to though.

[Nahdia]

He has only hammered Town.

Well, to be fair, we've lynched one person that isn't town this entire game. So, you know, maybe he deserves another chance?

[Nahdia]

Also, I mean, I think Maxous pretty transparently didn't have allies in life; hence "MY FACTION" being created AFTER his death. So it doesn't make sense that Ank was trying to avoid hammering them because they're partners.

[Nahdia]

Hey Accountant you should add me to the neighborhood.

[Nahdia]

That way I can get DOUBLE the MathBlade.

[Nahdia]

I'm tantalized by the very notion.

[Nahdia]

We if kill Ank do they end up in a hydra with Jae? This I want to see.

[Nahdia]

And, if not, WHY NOT? Come on now, Skullduggery.

[Nahdia]

Did someone say SPAMMING? Because that's what I'm doing, right now, out of frustration and exhaustion.

Narna my wonderful N-clam ally, comfort me.

Math switch back to a50

I scumread both. Why?

@JaeReed -- Hello. Word of warning lots of pages. You also have a PT with me and others. I think you might also have a scum PT too. That last one is gut.

Yoshi has a solid claim. A50 is an annoying mutt.

No Yoshi doesn't. He has something you want to believe.

No dude he actually does. Your alternate explanations for the kill being stopped are unlikely at best.

[Nahdia]

Like, town redirector? You'd have to be referring to PeregrineV.

Hey PeregrineV, who did you redirect into mathblade last night, fam?

[Nahdia]

Ank remind me who you want to eat rope?

[Nahdia]

Let's come to a compromise, Chara. A deal with the devil, one might say.

[Nahdia]

I also refused to hammer the first two town that got lynched this game

This is a good point. You should consider this point.

[Nahdia]

......You wanna kill the neighborizer?

[Nahdia]

Weird.

Well, how about outside our tenuous mech-clears. I understand you're not giving my credence to that, and that's fine, but we're trying to come to a compromise here. If you have lots of scumreads, surely there's someone outside our flimsy mech-cleared list you can agree to murder with us?

[Nahdia]

A true progressive. A man on the right side of history.

[Nahdia]

The leon lynch was fucking hilarious. I wanna do it again.

[Nahdia]

Nahdia you're gonna hate me after you were so helpful as to compile shit for me but your thought processes seem more geared toward looking witty/helpful than genuinely wanting to win through scumhunting so far.

You're completely correct. I'm way beyond wanting to genuinely scumhunt. I just want to shoot the fucking dog.

[Nahdia]

And then maybe murder some other people, who knows?

[Nahdia]

Go ahead and start a wagon on me. It might work. Who knows?

[Nahdia]

You got me, Jae. You heckin' got me. I'm mafia. I've been absolutely crushing this game. But here I am, totally spent and exhausted and grumpy and beyond wanting to put any serious effort to the point where my only contribution is fleeting help and snarky witticisms. I'm just

so fucking tired

of winning, Jae. Winning this bad is just

so exhausting

.

[Nahdia]

You wanna kill the fruit vendor?

[Nahdia]

Sorry, he wasn't roleblocked. He visited Maxous, who was ascetic.

Oh my god I've explained this so many times. Only for you, Jae.

1) Mass culting happened, 0 townreads as a result.
2) Mass culting happened, potential for crosskills as a result. Which would be nice.
3) There had been heavy speculation the day prior that my jailkeep is being redirected every night, hence why my save on zakk failed and also other stuff failed.

[Nahdia]

The question is in the not clears Ank. *glares* keep in mind you only had a problem with mechanics after I replaced in and made Town clear chain. You DO NOT SHOOT CLEARS as a vig.

Nahdia I think Earth would suit you. But only if you are town. Are you Town?

Maybe.

[Nahdia]

Nahdia why do you want to kill the dog?

did a 180 on my thoughts on how gamma emerald (slot predecessor) claimed. and, i dunno, i'm sort of running low on alternaties atm.

The question is in the not clears Ank. *glares* keep in mind you only had a problem with mechanics after I replaced in and made Town clear chain. You DO NOT SHOOT CLEARS as a vig.

Nahdia I think Earth would suit you. But only if you are town. Are you Town?

Maybe.

I claim one shot trombone vendor and give it to you and it does nothing. Here.

Back to the sane realm Ank doesn't get hammers.

Pours you a cup of spiders.

[Nahdia]

No.

[Nahdia]

I say we make Chara shoot the dog.

Nope. Not that either.

Guys, Nahdia is practically scum claiming. They're the only one who understand my role now, and they're blatantly trying to get Ank to inherit it. Did I say inherit?? YES I DID.

Whoever hammers me or shoot me loses their other abilities and become the Annoying Dog themselves. It won't switch their alignment though. Just their role.

Now can we lynch conf!Scum Nahdia?

VOTE: Nahdia

YES, DUH. I'M TRYING TO GET THE PERSON WHO CLAIMED TO BE A GENOCIDAL MANIAC TO BECOME THE DOG.

[Nahdia]

CHRIST.

[Nahdia]

well now that you just out and said it.

Actually, no I didn't 100% understand. I

thought

you were just a standard reflex-Vanillizer. But regardless, I wanted Ank to kill you because I trust a grand total of

neither

of you and quite frankly, removing the Chara role from the game sounds just dandy to me.

[Nahdia]

groooaaaaaannn

who the heck is scum.

[Nahdia]

Jae isn't an alt, they've just read Borderlands.

[Nahdia]

Peregrine's role is probs-known if you've been paying really really close attention, I could maaaaaybe lynch that though.
Creeps is literally temmie. If temmie is scum I'll cry.
Accountant........... MAYBE?
Giovanni claimed a weak role and... idk, he has another use of it tonight, I'd say let that run its course so if he does end up being town we get another clear out of it.

[Nahdia]

I'll have you know I'm eating delicious gluten free temmie flakes

right now

.

I'll be more willing to entertain the notion of lynching Gio tomorrow. if he's town, scum will probably want to kill him to avoid another clear happening.

[Nahdia]

Chara would not be an automatic bad role. Chara could easily be either alignment. I just don't particularly trust Ank and want him to hammer you.

[Nahdia]

There are various interpretations of Chara. Some people consider Chara to be straight up a homicidal maniac. Other consider them to be corrupted by the player themselves, and not actually a bad person to begin with.

[Nahdia]

Nahdia does Town read Ank

excuse you?

[Nahdia]

YES, AND?

[Nahdia]

HOW DARE I TRY TO GET RID OF A POSSIBLY TOWN VIG WHO IS TRYING TO SHOOT IN A POOL FULL OF MECH-CLEARS.

[Nahdia]

I'm not even going to entertain this much further. Your logic is off the fucking wall.

I. Do. Not. Trust. Ankimus.

I'm not saying he's definitely scum. There have been moments throughout the game where I've stated what he's doing is towny.

But. I. Do. Not. Trust. Them.
I. Want. Their. Role. Removed.

HENCE, MAKING HIM KILL YOU.

@Nahdia What if we were all Town at the start of the game except Maxous? And with Maxous's death the cult turned into a scum faction? Hence the creation of a new faction and the cult got a day to adjust to no leader?

And? This is literally what I suggested at the start of the day and everyone called me crazy.

[Nahdia]

i still lean town on NC.

You suggested a cult was created with Maxous death which was crazy. If we had a cult it would have had to already exist pre Maxous death.

Something JaeReed said in the hood made me look back.

my god, what the fuck is this.

I'm not even going to talk to you any more. I can't handle it.

[Nahdia]

no, im going to talk to you. im going to tell you how obtuse you're being.

"A new faction has been created.

MY FACTION."

NEW

new
n(y)o͞o/Submit
adjective
1.
not existing before; made, introduced, or discovered recently or now for the first time.
"new crop varieties"

N - E - W

[Nahdia]

NEW FACTION. NOT PRE-EXISTING. NOT CREATED BEFORE HAND. NEW. A DAY LONG GAP. A DAY LONG EXTENSION TO THE NIGHT PHASE. THESE THINGS WEREN'T JUST FOR SHITS AND GIGGLES, MATHBLADE. THEY WERE ADJUSTMENT PERIODS. THINGS WERE HAPPENING IN THESE PERIODS. ACTIONS WERE BEING MADE.

[Nahdia]

Well excuse you for my not having confident scum reads 6 days into this fucking shit show, Almost50.

[Nahdia]

New faction. New. NEW.

[Nahdia]

I will

maybe

entertain the notion that a group that was previously a scumteam (ie mafia) suddenly became aligned with Gaster instead, or something to that effect. But again, Maxous transparently did not have allies while he was alive. This isn't something I will budge on.

Yes a cult turning scum is a new faction.

Ok, here's the problem with that.
There's been one death a night. SOMEONE has been killing these people, and it's not a town vig bc they woulda claimed by now.
It's not this "cult" unless you think they're a cultfia, which is fucking wild but okay, MAYBE you can explain this like that.
The alternative is that you think there's a mafia team, a cult, and now post-Maxous death TWO mafia teams, essentially. Meaning we should have had TWO deaths last night. Which, oh wait, would mean the only fucking way we had 0 deaths is a universal doctor. Who is claiming that again? Oh right, the person you're fucking implicating as scum.

[Nahdia]

6472

[Nahdia]

I will

maybe

entertain the notion that a group that was previously a scumteam (ie mafia) suddenly became aligned with Gaster instead, or something to that effect. But again, Maxous transparently did not have allies while he was alive. This isn't something I will budge on.

Yes a cult turning scum is a new faction.

Ok, here's the problem with that.
There's been one death a night. SOMEONE has been killing these people, and it's not a town vig bc they woulda claimed by now.
It's not this "cult" unless you think they're a cultfia, which is fucking wild but okay, MAYBE you can explain this like that.
The alternative is that you think there's a mafia team, a cult, and now post-Maxous death TWO mafia teams, essentially. Meaning we should have had TWO deaths last night. Which, oh wait, would mean the only fucking way we had 0 deaths is a universal doctor. Who is claiming that again? Oh right, the person you're fucking implicating as scum.

Why was it so hard to lynch Maxous if he didn't have allies?
And I think that someone was Maxous. A cultafia in deed. I don't think there is a traditional mafia in this theory.

A NEW FACTION WAS CREATED. HIS FACTION. A FACTION THAT DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE WHY IS THIS SO DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO GET INTO YOUR SKULL.

[Nahdia]

im done. im out. i can't deal with this.

VOTE: accountant

this vote is fine. i don't care. i can't deal with you people and your obtuse bullshit anymore.

[Nahdia]

groan.

[Nahdia]

fine, this.

VOTE: sircakez

[Nahdia]

considering how much of a blithering idiot you're being in the main thread, i'm really not going to trust your analysis of information from the neighborhood. a neighborhood which you yourself think is compromised and yet you still refuse to release information from it.

[Nahdia]

Creeps, who was targeted by your slot Night 2?

[Nahdia]

Two I pointed out a contradiction you said in voting for someone that would be a clear since in your world we need a scum lynch.

So fucking sue me, dumbass.

[Nahdia]

i mean if not chara is punking me good for them but yeah i still have a lot of difficulty seeing them as scum.

[Nahdia]

it* whatever fuck

[Nahdia]

Creeps, who was targeted by your slot Night 2?

this is important. if creeps shows up later please make sure they see it.

[Nahdia]

*cough*
Bastard game
*cough*

[Nahdia]

Scum being unable to be culted is a terrible assumption. Did you already forget Gistou?

[Nahdia]

I disagree completely.

[Nahdia]

Wild stuff.

[Nahdia]

Oh hey I figured out Cakez' role.

Yeah fuck off MathBlade, we can lynch him.

[Nahdia]

New faction. New. NEW.

If a new scum faction emerged that was different from the old one, and any of those former scum are now town, they would out that info.

No one has.

Except then they would be outting themselves as culted, you numbskull.

Also, if Maxous the scum/cult creating faction creates the faction upon his death, then he gets killed day1 to make the most minions. It has to be a percentage number or else it makes no sense balance wise.

So, overall, I think it is flavor only.

Christ almighty, you think THAT was just flavor? You think the day long gap and the extended night phase were flavor? What the hell is with these people? Seriously, I can't fucking comprehend the mindset that goes into seeing something like that and shrugging and saying "oh well it's probs nothin' lol". What the fuck.

[Nahdia]

So if you have joined the "new Maxous faction" but used to be scum, you get all of your old scumbuddies lynched while your cultbuddies cult the rest of town. That makes your cult win.

(If this is obvious to a numbskull like me, how do you miss this?)

Right. Because we're certain to immediately trust someone saying "Hey I used to be mafia now I'm cult. Follow me!" And not just, you know, lynch them.

[Nahdia]

I can't do this anymore. I'm only speaking in votes for the rest of the day. For real this time. You people pushed me to this point. After this post, it's only votes.

@Jae literally 0 lynches have been based off flavor spec. Zero.

[Nahdia]

VOTE: JaeReed

[Nahdia]

Whether they can win with town is debatable.

VOTE: JaeReed VOTE: JaeReed VOTE: JaeReed

[Nahdia]

My god you guys are frustrating.

[Nahdia]

You're included in that. You know this is my town game.

[Nahdia]

VOTE: MathBlade

[Nahdia]

I'm just hating every moment of this so fucking much.

[Nahdia]

This is so unequivocally

miserable

and so fucking sick of it.

[Nahdia]

Andrius specifically said:

"Titus knows my secret".

It was a blatant VT claim the second she died.

[Nahdia]

An FBI check. When Maxous was a god damn ascetic.

Do you think it was just useless or do you think all these kills have been a serial killer?

[Nahdia]

No, seriously. Were there only two non-town players at the start of this game?

[Nahdia]

Cause that's what an FBI check would heavily imply, unless you think it's a bullshit red herring.

[Nahdia]

Problem is, the way my jailkeep on zakk n1 failed is still up in the air. If Maxous really didn't block me that night, which he said he didn't (but who knows if we can trust his claimed actions), that would imply a Strongman Serial Killer, hence my role is fucking useless.

No, seriously. Were there only two non-town players at the start of this game?

No there has to be a faction, because Skull phrased it as such.

No they didn't.

[Nahdia]

Furthermore, since this has apparently become a serious point of contention for reasons that are beyond my cognitive abilities, I would like to reassure everyone that no, not every player in this game is aligned with the Town faction. That would be fucking stupid. I would never do such a thing since I care about my players more than that, and even if I did wish to run such a setup, no reviewer in their right mind would ever approve it. I will confirm that this game has at least two opposing factions that cannot win together.

Nothing about this says anything about any groups of people. It just says factions.

[Nahdia]

VOTE: PeregrineV

this.

[Nahdia]

N1 - Shiro
N2 - Nahdia
N3 - Not Chara
N4 - Sir Cakez

they're my real targets, I tried blocking Cakez because I thoguht he might be a 'surprise scum'. I would of admitted it but Nahdia says she jailkept me which put me in trouble and I had to lie about it.

Worth throwing out there that if we're dealing with just a serial killer then Myself, Not Chara, and SirCakez are all clear.

[Nahdia]

That is, if you want to go on Maxous' word.

[Nahdia]

would imply a Strongman Serial Killer, hence my role is fucking useless.

Continuing this thought; except for the fact that Yoshi's uni-doc did work. So maybe the SK had a single strongman shot, or I was somehow interfered with in some other way (suggesting a full mafia team). or something.

[Nahdia]

That is, if you want to go on Maxous' word.

What about Narna's?

I mean, Narna isn't flipped non-town so the reason to explicitly doubt them isn't as strong but yeah ok.
Speaking of which. Narna, did you ever do what I asked and explicitly asked Skullduggery what the result would be if you targeted someone with Shiro's role with your ability?

[Nahdia]

@MOD
V/LA Until 2nd Of January

Holiday stuff is just mean for Mafia. I will try to post whenever I can though. But don't expect consistent activity. As it is I am in a rush.

Creeps I asked you a question, dude. Please.

[Nahdia]

Creeps, who was targeted by your slot Night 2?

[Nahdia]

What's the origin of this vote? It feels RNGed.

pretty much.

[Nahdia]

Did I say role madness had to have a VT? No. I'm the VT in this role madness game ergo the token VT, which in many role madness games is intended to be treated as an IC.

The fact that you're pushing this point makes you come off as
A) Towny
B) Idiotic

So, you know, good for you.

[Nahdia]

I think, as the alternative is that you're

really

carefully curating your presence as scum at an extremely high level, that what you're doing is unintentional. But legit what you're doing rn is sacrificing your credibility (see: charisma) for the sake of self-preservation.

Food for thought, is all. I'm reminded that despite everything, I was generously leaning on Andrius being town. The first half of this game feels so distant now.

[Nahdia]

Well, not for the sake of, but in exchange for

[Nahdia]

There's been a kill every night so........... I don't think there's a connection between your using the FBI on Titus and Titus dying.

[Nahdia]

as far as I can tell, there's literally

no one

that someone here isn't treating like they're strictly off limits.

[Nahdia]

he's the lizard queen

[Nahdia]

You mean I don't want to lynch who I believe to be my flavor's girlfriend? Omg what a shock.

lizard queen could be a fakeclaim!!!

but yes im fine not lynching the inventor for now whatever. let's lynch PV.

[Nahdia]

certain circles meaning me, myself, and I.

I mean that he's Doctor Alphys.

[Nahdia]

town, as i've said many times over.

[Nahdia]

like, not such hard town that i will kick and scream and force a no lynch. if i absolutely needed to vote it so we lynched SOMEONE i would but i would prefer not to lynch NC.

[Nahdia]

Just preempting what I know is gonna happen:

A50 & Ank; you need to explain why PV is town without just saying "I can read PV, its meta".

[Nahdia]

Doggo, motion detector

pfffffffffffffffffffahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaa

[Nahdia]

that's so perfect im dying

[Nahdia]

anyway, stay parked on PV or Almost50.

How the hell are you all forgetting to submit actions?

low energy.

[Nahdia]

or MathBlade I guess, though we know they're acting tonight.

Just... you know what I mean.

[Nahdia]

Creeps, who was targeted by your slot Night 2?

Leonshade.

That took a long time to find

Thanks. Do you have any indication that you KNOW your action was fully resolved?

[Nahdia]

Just preempting what I know is gonna happen:

A50 & Ank; you need to explain why PV is town without just saying "I can read PV, its meta".

OK. "I can read PV

. I

t

'

s meta

!

" (I even bolded and coloured the parts that make my phrase totally nonidentical to the one you requested me not to use.

Now here's a question for you: Why is PV scum for you? YOU need to explain that. Cuz I'm not seeing a scum motive behind anything he has said or done.

I...
I don't know, man. Maybe it's just that he's an easy target. Maybe I'm just taking out my frustration on the lurker because I'm fucking lost at this point. Maybe it's just that the reasons for PeregrineV being town are the ones I understand the

least

. Let me explain, and point out if I make any errors bc quite frankly I'm starting to fail to keep all of this straight.

Here's the players that are off limits because of someone else's role:
Accountant (Cleared by Narna)
Narna (Cleared by Giovanni)
Creeps20 (Cleared by Narna)
Myself (Cleared by Narna)

Here's the players that are apparently off limits because of their own role:
Giovanni (A weak role, presumably giving us conftown)
JaeReed (A VT, presumably going to be cleared tonight)
BigYoshiFan (A uni-doc, the only good explanation for why there was no kill last night)
SirCakez (An inventor, which i dunno, I guess we're just giving a pass because largely pro-town role)

Here's the players of those remaining that I townread enough that I really don't want them lynched today:
MathBlade
Not Chara

Which leaves us with:
PeregrineV
Almost50
Ankamius

and of those 3 people, the one I see the fewest reasons for them to be town that I really

get

is PV. Maybe that's just because they've had a relatively meager presence. The irony that the two people defending him are the other two people that I'm left with if I rule out PV isn't lost on me, but I'm not sure it has meaning?

[Nahdia]

Here's the players that are off limits because of someone else's role:
Accountant (Cleared by Narna) <<<

False. Narna already has a false-guilty which remains unexplained to-date.

Narna (Cleared by Giovanni) <<<

False. This is a bastard game and we are fully on top of the mechanics, let alone existing roles. (why can't Gio have been somehow protected on that night, thus not dying?)

Creeps20 (Cleared by Narna) <<<

False. See above.

Myself (Cleared by Narna) <<<

False. See above.

Conclusion: THERE ARE NO CLEARS UNTIL WE'VE SEEN CERTAIN FLIPS.

Here's the players that are apparently off limits because of their own role:
Giovanni (A weak role, presumably giving us conftown) <<<

Agreed, although it's not 100% because the role is not mod-confirmed.

JaeReed (A VT, presumably going to be cleared tonight) <<<

Agreed. Tonight's check should put them in the CONF!TOWN column.

BigYoshiFan (A uni-doc, the only good explanation for why there was no kill last night) <<<

Agreed, especially with no CC.

SirCakez (An inventor, which i dunno, I guess we're just giving a pass because largely pro-town role) <<<

I'd have to give this another try, but ok.. I'll give you that for now.

Here's the players of those remaining that I townread enough that I really don't want them lynched today:
MathBlade <<<

#@$%##. Erm.. no comment.

Not Chara <<<

This looks like Town!Chara, sure.

Which leaves us with:
PeregrineV
Almost50
Ankamius

Then you lynch ME (but don't force Ank to hammer).

You see, the problem is you have no real case on any of your suspects, which should give you some pause. If there's not enough reason on them independently (and there sure is no reason to scum read them by linking them to either scum because we have yet to flip one) then it's not a good lynch, and especially so given the game status.

If you want info leading to confirm 3 players = lynch Narna
If you want to stop moon-logic and bad arguments = lynch Math

If you still don't want either of them to be lynched because YOU read them as Town (not be "they ARE Town"), then we lynch Accountant, and if that's not applicable then me.

I obviously won't be lynching myself, and I do Town read Narna myself. I'm starting to second guess my read on Math, but I think Accountant is the way to go. I've also excluded Cakez based on the invention claim until I've looked deeper into that one.

Also, you can't convince me that Math (Creature), Accountant (Firebringer) and Jae (Andrius) are ALL Town who have all agreed to advocate abandoning game. If I had to pick one scum of them it's be Firebringer (now: Accountant), and if I had to pick one Town it would be Andrius (now: Jae).

P.S. Doesn't it give you "creeps" we both have nothing much to say about a certain slot that was previously occupied by massive?? I see a lot of posts but nothing ever stuck on my memory.

First off, your refusal of Giovanni's clear on Narna is a

H U G E

fucking stretch. As for Narna...

Narna for the love of fucking god

READ & RESPOND TO THIS.

That is, if you want to go on Maxous' word.

What about Narna's?

I mean, Narna isn't flipped non-town so the reason to explicitly doubt them isn't as strong but yeah ok.
Speaking of which. Narna, did you ever do what I asked and explicitly asked Skullduggery what the result would be if you targeted someone with Shiro's role with your ability?

Bottom line is; Narna is being confirmed by Giovanni, and Narna's role functions as described in their role PM. They can't be a hidden insane because Skullduggery's rules confirm they're not a hidden insane. That's just a fact. Yes, there's still the question of what the fuck happened with Shiro, but whatever happened to that slot doesn't immediately corrupt what happened with the other slots because, again, we know how Narna's role functions under normal circumstances.

Moving on.
Yes, the SirCakez thing is the weakest of all those in that category. It's important to note that this isn't a list of people I consider "clear" but rather a list of people who seem off the table to lynch

today

. Which, by the way, also should (I made an error) include MathBlade as off limits because they're the ones with the neapolitan check that can clear Jae. We lynch Math today, we never get anything on Jae's slot.
I'm not pushing you for it but how fucking laughable that you agree that Giovanni should be off the table a few sentences after you write that explaination of Giovanni's clear being invalid you god damned meshuggener.

& finally; Creeps. I actually am

trying

desperately to have a dialog with Creeps right now but he's lurking so hard it's agonizing to do so. Speaking of which...

Creeps20, respond to this.

Creeps, who was targeted by your slot Night 2?

Leonshade.

That took a long time to find

Thanks. Do you have any indication that you KNOW your action was fully resolved?

I know it seems inconsequential but it's important for reasons beyond yourself which I can hopefully explain once I get your answer.

[Nahdia]

Jae, why are you offended by the idea that MathBlade wants to use the Neapolitan check on the one person it will actually have a meaningful result on????????????????????????????????????????

[Nahdia]

Again; idiotic. Deeply idiotic.

[Nahdia]

If you are VT as I said in the hood I will eat crow and admit it. I just don't think you are.

If you are town I will eat crow. You're not town. You never will be town no matter how much you try to twist the gamestate to pretend you're town.

I don't give two shits about your Neapolitan check, and if you escape the lynch and want to check me I don't give a damn, but you

will

claim some kind of shenanigans with it and you

will

use that to try to push a mislynch on me. I'm moving the 1v1 to today because I'm not putting up with letting you slip through as scum like this. I don't care if you lynch me so long as it's 100% guaranteed that MathBlade is speedlynched without claim the next day.

How about, instead of making assumptions we don't need to make,

we actually fucking try to use the tools we've been given

.

[Nahdia]

Like,

fuck

. I do think you're town but seriously, pushing MathBlade's lynch today

only makes sense for your slot as mafia. ONLY. O N L Y.

[Nahdia]

Nahdia, i'd ask that you don't block me tonight. i don't think you're lying about still being a jailkeeper.

Oh. Dammit.
I wasn't going to anyway but was hoping that scum pre-supposing I would might let me act unabated.

[Nahdia]

They.
They they they.
They they they they they they they.
T H E Y.

[Nahdia]

Can I just tell them?