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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

TheDominator37

(L-2): FancyPants, TheDominator37, Superhans

Superhans

(L-4): toblerone187

toblerone187

(L-4): Rautherdir

Not Voting

(4): ConnorJC,

FancyPants,

LicketyQuickety, Lovesick, Nachomamma8,

Rautherdir, Superhans, TheDominator37, toblerone187

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(expired on 2016-12-30 14:00:00)

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[Superhans]

As my first action, the cop is going to investigate Nachomamma8 and you are going to Town read me for saying such.

Hey LicketyQuickety,
Can you explain in more detail what you meant by this?

Thanks,

[ConnorJC]

As my first action, the cop is

going

to investigate Nachomamma8 and you are going to Town read me for saying such.

So you're saying you would want a cop to come out day 2 and tell the mafia who they are?
Doesn't seem like town play to me

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

[ConnorJC]

Hello Everybody!

LicketyQuickety, what do you mean by IC? You're an experienced ayer right, meant to help us noobs? Are can ICs be assigned as mafia?

Sorry for these very basic questions but it would be even stupider of me not to.ask.

The IC is a player assigned to a game with the responsibility of teaching new players how mafia works and helping them understand theory. Yes, ICs can be assigned as mafia, and

they are still supposed to play to their win condition

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ICs are

required

to not lie about theory and give correct answers to theory questions. What Lickety is saying is that he often disagrees with the community on the "right" action to take (Preferring to think out of the box), and therefore is queuing as an SE (An experienced player in a newbie game without strict requirements) so he's free to play as he sees fit.

[toblerone187]

Now I don't know if you are being serious or not. Dom was clearly joking as was Superhans, as was I.... do you have no sense of humour? Or is your sense of humour very dry?

[LicketyQuickety]

Town read on Connor JC.

Slight Scum read on Superhans.

[Rautherdir]

Now I don't know if you are being serious or not. Dom was clearly joking as was Superhans, as was I.... do you have no sense of humour? Or is your sense of humour very dry?

Me? This is my first game. But yeah, in terms of humor I am dry. Usually.

Back to voting: I have no clue.

So, UNVOTE: toblerone187

[Nachomamma8]

LicketyQuickety, what do you mean by IC? You're an experienced ayer right, meant to help us noobs? Are can ICs be assigned as mafia?

I am the ICs, which stand for "Inexperienced Challenged" player. My primary job is to help guide you through whatever part of the game you're struggling with and to demonstrate "typical play" to a certain degree. Mafia is an interesting game where there are not really "right" and "wrong" answers; certain things produce better results than others and certain things work better for some people than they do for others, the key is developing a playstyle that allows you to figure out where you're going wrong and improve as a result. As a result, the two ways that I will be the most useful to you are by answering questions - any question (what are you doing? why are you doing this? does that really work?) I will answer to the best of my ability, and, if you're interesting in learning, the best thing to do is ask questions. The second way I will be useful to you is the observations you can make from my play and my interactions with the more experienced players - you'll learn how to get a game started, you'll learn how I tend to lead, and you'll learn how I hunt scum or how I fool town. As an IC, it is not my job to hold back or baby you - I'll treat you just how I treat any other player I come across, which means that if I'm reading as scum, I won't give you room unless you earn it. If my play is bothering you, of course, don't hesitate to talk to me about it - I am at the end of the day a reasonable person despite my aggression and it's not my intention to make this experience unfun for you in any way.

[Nachomamma8]

ICs can be any alignment I believe, they're here to help the new, troubled players with the ways things work and etc however no more than that - correct me if I'm wrong though. Hopefully we have a spike of activity at one point otherwise this game may get difficult.

Content doesn't spring from nothing; there were probably things that you could have done to get the game moving at this point.

[Nachomamma8]

The goal for day one is to create conversation. A self-vote doesn't really have the ability to do that. Which is why it's considered scummy to vote for yourself.

I don't agree with this.
I don't think that self-voting yourself is scummy; most things are about the intention behind them and at the end of the day scum don't really have that much reason to vote for yourself. I do think that self-votes can generate discussion; they are a thing that confuses people and when people are confused they tend to talk. Whether the content generated is meaningful is a different story but typically content is generated.

[Nachomamma8]

However, the reason I didn't vote for TheDominator37 is because we need that conversation to happen. A bandwagon on day 1 does almost nothing if we aren't actually talking.

I don't really understand what you're saying here.

You think Dom is the scummiest due to the self-vote, and you want to vote him. However, you're not voting him because people haven't talked enough to get a wagon going? Is that correct?

[ConnorJC]

Regarding the fact that we have someone at L-2: I'd like to ask that we don't put it (or anyone else) at L-1 until every player has responded in the game thread to avoid accidental/"accidental" lynches, unless we have some actual scummy behavior (not stuff based on the RVS).

[ConnorJC]

The goal for day one is to create conversation. A self-vote doesn't really have the ability to do that. Which is why it's considered scummy to vote for yourself.

I don't agree with this.
I don't think that self-voting yourself is scummy; most things are about the intention behind them and at the end of the day scum don't really have that much reason to vote for yourself. I do think that self-votes can generate discussion; they are a thing that confuses people and when people are confused they tend to talk. Whether the content generated is meaningful is a different story but typically content is generated.

Self-voting is not necessarily scummy, especially in RVS. Self-hammering is almost always scummy.

[LicketyQuickety]

Regarding the fact that we have someone at L-2: I'd like to ask that we don't put it (or anyone else) at L-1 until every player has responded in the game thread to avoid accidental/"accidental" lynches, unless we have some actual scummy behavior (not stuff based on the RVS).

Have you played elsewhere or just read up on the wiki?

[ConnorJC]

As my first action, the cop is going to investigate Nachomamma8 and you are going to Town read me for saying such.

Hey LicketyQuickety,
Can you explain in more detail what you meant by this?

Thanks,

I would also like to know why Lickety is sure there's a cop and why that would lead to a town read on him (Unless this was just a complete joke).

[ConnorJC]

Regarding the fact that we have someone at L-2: I'd like to ask that we don't put it (or anyone else) at L-1 until every player has responded in the game thread to avoid accidental/"accidental" lynches, unless we have some actual scummy behavior (not stuff based on the RVS).

Have you played elsewhere or just read up on the wiki?

Played SC2 mafia and a little TOS. Also read up, and looked a couple ongoing newbie games.

[Nachomamma8]

As my first action, the cop is

going

to investigate Nachomamma8 and you are going to Town read me for saying such.

So you're saying you would want a cop to come out day 2 and tell the mafia who they are?
Doesn't seem like town play to me

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

LQ obviously didn't say anything about the cop outing Day 2.

If you are town, you assumed something about LQ's statement that you shouldn't have. If you are scum, you just stretched your neck out too far to make a bad attack. I think that it's the latter; convince me otherwise.

Vote: ConnorJC

[LicketyQuickety]

As my first action, the cop is going to investigate Nachomamma8 and you are going to Town read me for saying such.

Hey LicketyQuickety,
Can you explain in more detail what you meant by this?

Thanks,

I would also like to know why Lickety is sure there's a cop and why that would lead to a town read on him (Unless this was just a complete joke).

Not a joke, a reaction test. Big difference.

[Rautherdir]

Yeah, I realize that now. I probably should have said that self-voting doesn't really help either side. With that in mind, I incline to think TheDominator is town. However, Dominator is at L-2, which means people should unvote.

And to comment on what LicketyQuickety wrote, only two out of the six possible starting scenarios even have a cop. So your suggestion is kind of weird.

[Nachomamma8]

Town read on Connor JC.

Odd that you'd have a townread on someone after they just accused you of trying to get the cop to out when that wasn't the case at all.

[Rautherdir]

That's not odd. That's what town would do. I didn't mean to include the second part of my last post, didn't notice Connor had posted about it already.

[ConnorJC]

As my first action, the cop is

going

to investigate Nachomamma8 and you are going to Town read me for saying such.

So you're saying you would want a cop to come out day 2 and tell the mafia who they are?
Doesn't seem like town play to me

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

LQ obviously didn't say anything about the cop outing Day 2.

If you are town, you assumed something about LQ's statement that you shouldn't have. If you are scum, you just stretched your neck out too far to make a bad attack. I think that it's the latter; convince me otherwise.

Vote: ConnorJC

The only way we'd know a cop actually made that investigation is if they came out and claimed cop and said what they did. It's not town's job to convince other players they are town, instead, it's town's job to find scum.

Town read on Connor JC.

Odd that you'd have a townread on someone after they just accused you of trying to get the cop to out when that wasn't the case at all.

As he said, it was a reaction test.

[LicketyQuickety]

Town read on Connor JC.

Odd that you'd have a townread on someone after they just accused you of trying to get the cop to out when that wasn't the case at all.

Yes, well, I don't read people in a traditional way.

[Nachomamma8]

That's not odd. That's what town would do. I didn't mean to include the second part of my last post, didn't notice Connor had posted about it already.

Why would town do it?
Why wouldn't scum do it?

[Superhans]

LicketyQuickety I have asked you two questions:

1) What does IC mean. (Answered by Nachomma8 (thanks btw))

2) What do you mean with the cop thing.

Instead of slapping a scum read on me, can you at least my 2nd question?