Newbie 1765 | URW | Endgame

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

TheDominator37

(L-5): FancyPants

Superhans

(L-4):

toblerone187,

TheDominator37

Lovesick

(L-3): Nachomamma8,

Rautherdir, Superhans

, ConnorJC

Rautherdir

(L-4): LicketyQuickety

Not voting

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LicketyQuickety,

Lovesick,

ConnorJC,

toblerone187, FancyPants, Superhans, Rautherdir

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(expired on 2016-12-30 14:00:00)

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[ConnorJC]

My other reason is that I'd rather not have people at L-2 until we have really good reasons.

Fair enough, although I'd argue that L-2 is probably pretty safe. L-1, on the other hand, is a different story.

[Rautherdir]

There are two scum. They could conceivably quickhammer. It would be a stupid move, but it's still a move that could happen.

[ConnorJC]

The odds are that at least one scum is on a bandwagon that gets to L-2. Also, that would give away

at least

half of the scumteam, and put suspicion on the last member.
I welcome scum to quickhammer an L-2 lynch on D1. It would be a quick game.

[Superhans]

I didn't say that I would unvote one Lovesick had posted. I said I would unvote once Lovesick had offered an original scum/town diagnosis.
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UNVOTE: LoveSick

But, Lovesick hasn't offered any reads/thoughts. Why the unvote?

As a matter of fact, Lovesick's only contributions are defending herself. Not one post actively participating in the 'find scum' part of mafia.
VOTE: LoveSick

(L-2)

Lovesick did offer a contribution. She stated that Nacho is sketchy.
I said I'd jump off the Lovesick Wagon once Lovesick offered some original and judgemental content.

@Lovesick + everyone else, can we brainstorm the possibility of Nachomamma, an IC, being mafia. Is this likely, anyone getting any Town reads off of him.

Personal opinion is that I find Nacho unsettling because of how calculating he seems (post #64 for instance) but it isn't logical, more of a gut feeling.

[Superhans]

LicketyQuickety, you've voted for Rautherdir. Would you want to convince others to do the same and why?

[ConnorJC]

In my opinion Lovesick's post contained barely any content. Pointing out one player is sketchy isn't really contributing much.

@LoveSick @toblerone187 please contribute some thoughts on who's scum/town and why

[Lovesick]

I didn't say that I would unvote one Lovesick had posted. I said I would unvote once Lovesick had offered an original scum/town diagnosis.
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UNVOTE: LoveSick

But, Lovesick hasn't offered any reads/thoughts. Why the unvote?

As a matter of fact, Lovesick's only contributions are defending herself. Not one post actively participating in the 'find scum' part of mafia.
VOTE: LoveSick

(L-2)

Lovesick did offer a contribution. She stated that Nacho is sketchy.
I said I'd jump off the Lovesick Wagon once Lovesick offered some original and judgemental content.

@Lovesick + everyone else, can we brainstorm the possibility of Nachomamma, an IC, being mafia. Is this likely, anyone getting any Town reads off of him.

Personal opinion is that I find Nacho unsettling because of how calculating he seems (post #64 for instance) but it isn't logical, more of a gut feeling.

I never said he is sketchy why are you taking my post out of context? I simply said i have ill feelings towards his playstyle, that's all. It's not me being OMGUS, i just literally am not fond of that playstyle for many reasons

Also Connor, by logical i mean with evidence from night phases which we can use to deduce and conclude things with ease other than make assumptions purely made on the first few posts in Day 1. Normally (At least where i played) Day 1 is a warm up, we get cozy and slowly introduce our playstyles to eachother hence my not so contribution to the actual objective. As also as a norm, I never do reads day 1 because it's too early to judge, too early to analyse, deduce, conclude and speak so confidently about my own thoughts when it comes to other players however I do understand why that may not be the case here because of the length of the days which personally i think is ridiculous but also logical in its own ways

[LicketyQuickety]

There are two scum. They could conceivably quickhammer. It would be a stupid move, but it's still a move that could happen.

Comments like this do not make me Town read you...

[LicketyQuickety]

LicketyQuickety, you've voted for Rautherdir. Would you want to convince others to do the same and why?

I don't want to "force" anything. I am not Rampage.

[Lovesick]

In my opinion Lovesick's post contained barely any content. Pointing out one player is sketchy isn't really contributing much.

@LoveSick @toblerone187 please contribute some thoughts on who's scum/town and why

The point of it not having much context is to avoid accusing or throwing the shift onto someone else. The reason i also only mentioned nacho was because those were my only thoughts, i honestly dont believe anyone has acted enough to be proven town or scum in my book

However I am wary of Superhans and his constant jumping from one player to another within instant but that may just be his playstyle

[LicketyQuickety]

In my opinion Lovesick's post contained barely any content. Pointing out one player is sketchy isn't really contributing much.

@LoveSick @toblerone187 please contribute some thoughts on who's scum/town and why

The point of it not having much context is to avoid accusing or throwing the shift onto someone else. The reason i also only mentioned nacho was because those were my only thoughts, i honestly dont believe anyone has acted enough to be proven town or scum in my book

However I am wary of Superhans and his constant jumping from one player to another within instant but that may just be his playstyle

Actually, throwing the shift on someone else is EXACTLY what you should do if you are A) a PR or B) Scum. Especially if you have no clue how to get yourself Town read. I remember the days where getting lynched day 1 was a common occurrence. To be naive again...

[ConnorJC]

N1 kill is not the only source of logical reasoning. As a matter of fact, I'd argue night kills (especially in newbie games) are a fairly poor source of information.

[Lovesick]

In my opinion Lovesick's post contained barely any content. Pointing out one player is sketchy isn't really contributing much.

@LoveSick @toblerone187 please contribute some thoughts on who's scum/town and why

The point of it not having much context is to avoid accusing or throwing the shift onto someone else. The reason i also only mentioned nacho was because those were my only thoughts, i honestly dont believe anyone has acted enough to be proven town or scum in my book

However I am wary of Superhans and his constant jumping from one player to another within instant but that may just be his playstyle

Actually, throwing the shift on someone else is EXACTLY what you should do if you are A) a PR or B) Scum. Especially if you have no clue how to get yourself Town read. I remember the days where getting lynched day 1 was a common occurrence. To be naive again...

I know how to play however i stand by my point of not wanting to shift it the reason being there is not enough information or evidence which throws my scum radars off the face of Earth. I'm not someone who likes to follow or throw blame on someone else blindly without any form of evident supporting it as it's a risky move which could cost the game even if the ratio is 2:7

[ConnorJC]

Also Connor, by logical i mean with evidence from night phases which we can use to deduce and conclude things with ease other than make assumptions purely made on the first few posts in Day 1. Normally (At least where i played) Day 1 is a warm up, we get cozy and slowly introduce our playstyles to eachother hence my not so contribution to the actual objective. As also as a norm, I never do reads day 1 because it's too early to judge, too early to analyse, deduce, conclude and speak so confidently about my own thoughts when it comes to other players however I do understand why that may not be the case here because of the length of the days which personally i think is ridiculous but also logical in its own ways

Wasting a day on introductions only helps scum, not town.

[Lovesick]

N1 kill is not the only source of logical reasoning. As a matter of fact, I'd argue night kills (especially in newbie games) are a fairly poor source of information.

Arguably so, I have yet to understand what happens after a night phase on here and in particular the newbie games

[Lovesick]

Also Connor, by logical i mean with evidence from night phases which we can use to deduce and conclude things with ease other than make assumptions purely made on the first few posts in Day 1. Normally (At least where i played) Day 1 is a warm up, we get cozy and slowly introduce our playstyles to eachother hence my not so contribution to the actual objective. As also as a norm, I never do reads day 1 because it's too early to judge, too early to analyse, deduce, conclude and speak so confidently about my own thoughts when it comes to other players however I do understand why that may not be the case here because of the length of the days which personally i think is ridiculous but also logical in its own ways

Wasting a day on introductions only helps scum, not town.

As i have stated, this was all on a different website where letting a kill go through was very informative and sometimes even essential for town. I really rather not argue about the way i played mafia on another website compared to how its played here lol

[LicketyQuickety]

In my opinion Lovesick's post contained barely any content. Pointing out one player is sketchy isn't really contributing much.

@LoveSick @toblerone187 please contribute some thoughts on who's scum/town and why

The point of it not having much context is to avoid accusing or throwing the shift onto someone else. The reason i also only mentioned nacho was because those were my only thoughts, i honestly dont believe anyone has acted enough to be proven town or scum in my book

However I am wary of Superhans and his constant jumping from one player to another within instant but that may just be his playstyle

Actually, throwing the shift on someone else is EXACTLY what you should do if you are A) a PR or B) Scum. Especially if you have no clue how to get yourself Town read. I remember the days where getting lynched day 1 was a common occurrence. To be naive again...

I know how to play however i stand by my point of not wanting to shift it the reason being there is not enough information or evidence which throws my scum radars off the face of Earth. I'm not someone who likes to follow or throw blame on someone else blindly without any form of evident supporting it as it's a risky move which could cost the game even if the ratio is 2:7

LOL. You don't think much of RVS, well, I think its never too early to develop reads - use that to your advantage.

[toblerone187]

@Toblerone, you've talked a bit without saying anything. Give your thoughts/reads? I understand you're new but share them anyway.

Yeah to be honest I am not sure who is scummy and who isn't. Most of my thoughts have either been already said by others or countered by others or both

One thing I picked up on was Connor answering questions that were not directed at him. I think Nacho did the same at one point but that was in answer to a genral question. Why did Connor do it? To support LQ? He then did it AGAIN even after Superhans had told him he wnted to hear from LQ

The whole LQ/cop thing seems to me either to be an innocent attempt to get conversation going, OR it could be an attempt to make it look like her is. And all the "not traditional" stuff - whilst I have no idea what he means - I don't like it. It could be setting things up for an argument he will use later.

Dominator has been very quiet, but so have I so that is not an indication of anything in my eyes

Rautherdir seemed very keen to hunt lurkers. I don't know if I count as a lurker but are you implying that lurkers are scum?

[LicketyQuickety]

@Toblerone, you've talked a bit without saying anything. Give your thoughts/reads? I understand you're new but share them anyway.

Yeah to be honest I am not sure who is scummy and who isn't. Most of my thoughts have either been already said by others or countered by others or both

One thing I picked up on was Connor answering questions that were not directed at him. I think Nacho did the same at one point but that was in answer to a genral question. Why did Connor do it? To support LQ? He then did it AGAIN even after Superhans had told him he wnted to hear from LQ

The whole LQ/cop thing seems to me either to be an innocent attempt to get conversation going, OR it could be an attempt to make it look like her is. And all the "not traditional" stuff - whilst I have no idea what he means - I don't like it. It could be setting things up for an argument he will use later.

Dominator has been very quiet, but so have I so that is not an indication of anything in my eyes

Rautherdir seemed very keen to hunt lurkers. I don't know if I count as a lurker but are you implying that lurkers are scum?

I gave two examples from the same game, you should read them.

[toblerone187]

VOTE: Lovesick

Lovesick, I'll be super happy to unvote on the condition that you read through all the comments posted so far tell us your opinions on scum/town reads. Cheers

I know it has been mentioned before but this seems odd to me. If you are trying to put pressure this would not do it IMO. Vote but say you will remove the vote if she does a certain thing. Not a great negotiating position!

Talking of Lovesick, she seemed to get very defensive about her inactivity. but my gut reaction is town. She seems to be new here like me so I get the inactivity

(For the record I replaced into a game here about 6 years ago but have not played since - I sem to recall I died pretty soon in that game)

[Rautherdir]

I am not implying that Lurkers are scum. It's just that more information is good for town. Lurking is not helpful to town, but isn't really indicative of being scum.

[toblerone187]

I gave two examples from the same game, you should read them.

To be honest I have enough on my plate reading this game and trying to analyse it and learn as I go along. I don't have time to read other games - or have i misunderstood you?

[Lovesick]

In my opinion Lovesick's post contained barely any content. Pointing out one player is sketchy isn't really contributing much.

@LoveSick @toblerone187 please contribute some thoughts on who's scum/town and why

The point of it not having much context is to avoid accusing or throwing the shift onto someone else. The reason i also only mentioned nacho was because those were my only thoughts, i honestly dont believe anyone has acted enough to be proven town or scum in my book

However I am wary of Superhans and his constant jumping from one player to another within instant but that may just be his playstyle

Actually, throwing the shift on someone else is EXACTLY what you should do if you are A) a PR or B) Scum. Especially if you have no clue how to get yourself Town read. I remember the days where getting lynched day 1 was a common occurrence. To be naive again...

I know how to play however i stand by my point of not wanting to shift it the reason being there is not enough information or evidence which throws my scum radars off the face of Earth. I'm not someone who likes to follow or throw blame on someone else blindly without any form of evident supporting it as it's a risky move which could cost the game even if the ratio is 2:7

LOL. You don't think much of RVS, well, I think its never too early to develop reads - use that to your advantage.

No i don't, it's usually a pressure vote to get someone talking especially one day 1. However as I said i try to hold off on concluding on things so early in game because of the things mentioned previously.

[toblerone187]

I am not implying that Lurkers are scum. It's just that more information is good for town. Lurking is not helpful to town, but isn't really indicative of being scum.

Ok I get that - lurking does not help town. I am not sure though if I count as a lurker. I am reading through, trying to learn and understand and commenting as and where I can. A lot of time I think things about a post and hen someone else comes in with the same thoughts and I don;t want to just repeat what other shave said - I think that in itself can be scummy and could be interpreted as an allegiance. I want to avoid that