Mini 1859: D&D Curse of Strahd Mafia - Game Over

[drealmerz7]

I know it was quoted already, but :

Game/flavor knowledge is nice, and might have a slight edge when it comes to certain things like items or things that may or may not be story linked, but is mostly for the enjoyment of players. Artifacts and beneficial item locations have been semi randomized, so even a location that was dangerous in the book may be the housing or an artifact, and vice versa.

it's going to be randomized, all that we are really voting for is what flavor we want, otherwise what we get is going to be a crapshoot

items not necessarily at shops, etc.

pick where you want to go for flavor

VOTE: woods

[drealmerz7]

I love your knowledge of it, btw. Keep it coming and tell us all of the things. I'm big on fantasy RPGs too, but it was a bit before my time so missed it, and haven't gotten it digital yet. Dark Sun series is priority, but tooooo many RPGs (omg) in my backlog to even start to tackle that one yet.

[drealmerz7]

Paranoia about "oh yeah let's just follow this guy to the cemetary where the MAIN NAMED BADGUY OF THE ENTIRE GAME is located"

"the information comes at midnight there, right before I stab you in the face"

[drealmerz7]

Do you have a favorite RPG, shaz? anyone?

Planescape Torment, Fallout 1+2 for me

[drealmerz7]

scum PM could say "gain an extra kill N1 if you get the adventurers into the cemetary D1"

who fucking knows

I'm a paranoid player

[drealmerz7]

any scum care to refute such an assertion?

[drealmerz7]

dunn I gotta say the scum-vibes are already strong from you

[drealmerz7]

oh I thought Curse of Strahd was part of the Ravenloft PC game series, but I see now that it is not - hah https://www.gog.com/game/dungeons_drago ... oft_series

so yeah, I had meant video games

I was never able to play P&P RPGs. There were never around enough ppl, and when I was in college/living in a city, I didn't have the time.

I don't like those newer videogame "RPGs" you mentioned, so will stay away from that convo., haha!

thanks for all of the lore info, that is why I love RPGs, and signed up for this game (flavor!!!!!)

are you upset that I still want to go to the woods first?

[drealmerz7]

cool

that is great to know

I'm sold

if bad shit happens, I just don't listen to that sort of advice in the future

UNVOTE: woods
VOTE: cemetary

[drealmerz7]

if I die I'm coming back from the dead and performing felatio on you while you sleep

[drealmerz7]

my experience with mafia games with events and renaissance (which I've only played once, online) is that they get progressively more difficult as the game progresses, and it's scaled to not be stupid-hard or anything unbalanced. Just swingy depending on the choices that get made and results, which I like, I don't think swingy is unbalanced, I just think it allows for a larger spectrum of play.

I wouldn't worry too much about something too hard that will screw us in the beginning or whatever.

[drealmerz7]

If it makes you feel better I will gladly, if it comes to us having to choose somebody to die to some horrible monster that for some reason si ready to kill us right off the bat, volunteer!




...Vedith. I will volunteer Vedith. :wink:

yep that makes me feel better absolutely - we're gold now, solid!

[drealmerz7]

the cemetary is where Loot is, let's go there.

you bunch of graverobbers - after the flash flash instead of doing the good things

this is not adventuring - this is scummy!

I just can't get on board, sorry

UNVOTE: cemetary
VOTE: woods

[drealmerz7]

we must be brave, confront whatever beasts, and then let us be rewarded with whatever is provided

we do not seek cheap treasures of the dead

[drealmerz7]

pfff

buying shit

commercialism

capitalism

people all around

I prefer the woods, whatever it may hold

[drealmerz7]

that is where the true adventure lies

are you a true adventurer?

[drealmerz7]

horrible

[drealmerz7]

no I'm going by what moves me because I don't think it actually matters

[drealmerz7]

plus you seem a little scum-vibey to me

and I was going against my better inclination, which usually tends to serve me well

woods all the way

maybe hammers don't count for selection (:

[drealmerz7]

my instincts and where I feel better inclined tend to serve me well if I go with them

[drealmerz7]

for whatever reasons / elements might make me feel better inclined, it tends to serve

[drealmerz7]

of course not, this isn't the game, it said so!

grraahhh

well, it's a good thing I'm ready for real adventure at least

stand fast!

[drealmerz7]

If we for some reason cut open a scarecrow

my horse is hungry

let's do it

[drealmerz7]

ppl going to come to the game and be like 'WTF?! omg!!!'

note: don't confirm unless you're ready to GO! adventure waits for noman

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: dunnstral

I think you're allowed to self-vote here and it's not scummy, cool!

[drealmerz7]

okay that's probably a good question to ask first

UNVOTE: dunnstral

it just looks like bad mojo so I figured you'd be all for licking the acid pool to see if it's sweet

[drealmerz7]

?

it looks like a medallion/talisman, not a ring

[drealmerz7]

it has red

and pointy ends

and a chain

and gold

all bad bad juju

the question is, do we want to give "bad" items to scum, or do we figure it is just a negative utility to...utilize, and we should try and vote it to a townie

[drealmerz7]

it could be like a vig-shot or something

I am conflicted because currently I think we should try to give it a townie

but, I don't want it!!! eeep! hahaha

[drealmerz7]

maybe it makes us waffles

[drealmerz7]

shaziro, your fucking avatar, man, I can't look at it directly

indirect, no problem, I look at it, and it's creepay

[drealmerz7]

Nobody said it was a ring

things

I read rings

oops

yeah

give it to themiller, that is cool by me, really, UNLESS HE'S ACTUALLY SCUM

fuck we need more players active

I'ma leave this for now

[drealmerz7]

have to, eh?

[drealmerz7]

well you keep going down that assume path of having to scumread of poor logic and I'll SR you some more (:

I would sooner think scum's maneuver and motivations would be like that of shaz - if shaz is scum - "oh hey, I have this knowledge and can gain trust this way but I can hope for bad things too and play it either way"

your thought only maybe works if you ASSUME that only scum would have such knowledge, and we know they don't (because it was shared openly in the thread)

[drealmerz7]

it says the game is really swingy

and yes, I think the mod would have everyone not know what is down any of the quest paths

absolutely that

[drealmerz7]

that seems rather unfair to me

any events I've had in games have been completely unknown by all parties until "entered"

[drealmerz7]

"your logic is flawed" is that better?

[drealmerz7]

depraven craven ravens?!

[drealmerz7]

I figured as much

[drealmerz7]

*headdessk*

[drealmerz7]

I'd be up for voting for both of you!!!

if it was for getting LYNCHED

[drealmerz7]

no because I think things were taken a little far in the discussion for my comfort level - no not because you're being cryptic, but because you've said too much already

I'll not elaborate further

[drealmerz7]

kuror, how would you feel about having the item? I'm willing to vote for you for it

[drealmerz7]

But what does everyone else thinks about my idea agree/disagree what are your thoughts about that etc?

I worry about the discretionary abilities of players that I don't know how their brains work.

I am totally with you, if it goes how you say and players are able to discern what is helpful to town but does nothing for scum. The way you described it all makes me comfortable giving it to you feeling confident that you'd not do something suboptimal.

VOTE: kuror0

[drealmerz7]

I don't like Kuror's "I'll bet if there is anything special, we'll probably get told, trust me to tell you what it says" bit.

I don't like this slight twist making it seem devious rather than absolutely straightforward which is what he was being.

Obviously we know if scum get it they can tell us whatever they want about it, something completely untrue or just a partial or whatever.

Kuror is making sure to explicitly say what he would and would not share - all of which is pro pro pro town to get straight and express his desire for. That he spent the time to detail, and more importantly to me even, is that it sounds absolutely genuine, is what made me lean to trust and vote him (added his response to my ? about his desire for it, with which his re-iteration remained True to the feels I got from his other posts about it and re-affirmed my comfort.)

I do not want the item, but I am very curious about all of the things kuror talks about and trust in the information not being abused and misused and getting the next piece of helpful information for our journey.

I have an important request coming in the next post.

[drealmerz7]

can we please agree to

NOT VOTE TO A DECISION

until we have heard from everyone - we've moved too fast already in my opinion

I'd like to slow it down and take this journey carefully

this is mafia but we are in a special game, let's work together as a team and navigate deliberately and not let excitement, momentum, pre-mature decisions that haven't been fleshed out as much as is healthy take us down unwanted paths

treat it as if we are RPGing in the situation, we may have majority guiding, but, as a group quest, it only makes sense to move forward in a full force, anything else is BAD TACTICS, splitting our forces (getting ahead of the group who lags behind)

let's be smart about this

[drealmerz7]

why would you claim like that?

blargh

ffs, it's obviously a medallion/talisman and most ppl with brains knows they don't see dwarves swarthing through battle with a heavy fucking gold chain and gem hanging around their fucking necks

NO MORE CLASS TALK FFS

[drealmerz7]

I mean, how the fuck do we know he's not a warlock or some shit too, also able to utilize a caster's item

god damn fucking grah

[drealmerz7]

According to people who have played the game, the item might only be usable by cleric or paladin, and kuror hasn't given any indication that he's either of those. Further, he seems to be advocating that the power be openly listed, which is basically rolefishing and is scummy af.

I don't think that is what has been discussed or how it is going to work.

My thoughts are pretty solid that it has properties and those properties can be used by any player who gets it, Good or Evil, BUT, that certain items (and that this item certainly is likely to be one of those items) also will have abilities unlocked if it is received by a certain class. So it won't "only be usable" by such a class and we especially shouldn't just give it to someone who has CLAIMED A CLASS that can use it.

More simply, I don't necessarily trust pine to be Good, and I would rather the item go to someone I trust and have us MAYBE missout on access to 1 ability/attribute, than give it to someone who I think could be scum and will either 1.) be able to utilize standard AND/OR extra abilities associated with the item.

He's not advocating that the power be listed AT ALL. He explicitly stated otherweise.

FoS persivul

[drealmerz7]

added missed part

OR,

2.) simply lie to us about it

it needs to go to someone we absolutely trust

don't let FEAR guide your decisions "ohno we will miss out on cool stuff!" - let reason and calculated moves guide you

[drealmerz7]

oh am I understanding correctly now?

this isn't the St. Markovia thing, so the application to clerics/paladins is inaccurate? wtg pine!

ugh, I only really trust kuror right now

creature is seeming okay, but, hasty is not good creature

[drealmerz7]

exactly, no reason to not be forming all of your town/scum reads and figuring out stuff in this stage for the next, it can flow freely into the lynching stage, there's no separation at all

[drealmerz7]

ahk, yep, clarity good

[drealmerz7]

creature,

that's the worst list if that is your lynch list after this stage

are you scum or just trying to make friends with scum?

[drealmerz7]

What? Because I have your "scumreads" as town?

yeop

[drealmerz7]

we do have all night, but yes, I agree everyone not voting

SHOULD VOTE

then we go from there

[drealmerz7]

yepyep

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: Persivul

[drealmerz7]

why slysly?

[drealmerz7]

I assume as much when voting that you think they're scum, can you detail why?

[drealmerz7]

I could also vote vedith or jasonwazza, ftr

but waayyyyyyyyyyy more comfortable with a persivul lynch, like, so much scummy there

[drealmerz7]

let's just kill vedith and get his hugely antagonistic and horrible attitude out of the game

[drealmerz7]

still waiting for your case on slysly

[drealmerz7]

He's passive and he usually isn't passive.

that's horrible

[drealmerz7]

oh great, insults now...

I think he's being pretty passive/out of the radar this game and when he was town with me he used to be more aggressive.

yeah that is still horrible - I'm all for meta reading and analysis, but, that is an empty, outdated (it seems?), nothing reason

[drealmerz7]

I switch my playstyles around A LOT, unless you've played 10 games with someone in the past year, I don't think it's safe to say you can even begin to judge what their varying playstyle might mean unless you have something deeper to it

[drealmerz7]

waiting for you and some others to catch up and participate a bit

avatar always appreciated

[drealmerz7]

yes please read all of the roles, all details in any PM(s) you may have received, and all of the thread, and then get back to us

[drealmerz7]

no, culted, read everything
anything else is unacceptable
if you didn't want to read and catch up, you shouldn't replace in

[drealmerz7]

stop wasting your time and just read - that is as helpful as it gets

[drealmerz7]

form your own perspective genuinely as you go rather than have it tainted with summarized other perspectives

that is always the best

[drealmerz7]

I'll be glad to engage you once you're "with it" (:

[drealmerz7]

what would you say is the biggest weakness to Strahd?

a vulnerability or something, even if it is an emotional thing

I want to know about his personality

I should go play the video games just to get a better sense...

[drealmerz7]

yepyep

excellent

[drealmerz7]

I am at the top of page 16 and catching up

full focus

[drealmerz7]

I agree with this 100%. I don't agree with lynching Pine though because if we do, he gets to pick who the item goes to. If he dies at night, we get to vote on it.

Lynching scum outweighs the benefit of any item. We don't know that we have a vig.

OK so here slysly is responding to some towny-sounding persivul stuff about the pine claim, I'm on board with what persivul has said there but that is safe stuff to say as scum (I'm SRing persivul hard) - and agree with slysly here as well, and the mentality from slysly seems parallel to mine - scumpine lynched he gives to fellow scummy, dies at night means he's been targeted by scum because of the claim (and is town duh) and scum again aren't assured to have the item

scum will want to lynch pine if pine is town more than wait til Night, because, hey, that's a towny lynch to them and that is primary goal

I see a lot of pushing for a pine lynch - which also seems really off to me because ummm, hello, maj voted him to get the item. If maj. thought he was scum and should be lynched, we shouldn't have given him the item.

still not sold on townpine though, because he just reeks of scummyness all over - it's bothersome indeed

then we get this

I understand where you're coming from, but I'm willing to at least wait through N1 to take Pine out.

If Pine is scum and we don't lynch him, then scum definitely have the item tonight.

If Pine is scum and we do lynch him, then there's a good chance he gives the item to town as wifom, since whomever he gives it to will be a suspect.

scumpings galore from persivul here - framing to have pine seen as scum, to put it simply

words from sly sly like "take pine out" and again the general talking of killing pine now after maj. thought he should get it, is off to me - makes me want to go take another look at slysly too

I doubt a scum would go to those lengths just to get 1 item, feels like too much risk for some unknown reward.

I could see pine as a player doing it as scum PR, and I could see a scum goon doing it for many reasons, combine the 2 and I find it quite possible this is the case, combined with a lot of the scumminess I see in the rest of pine's play, yes, certainly not discounting this possibility.

I see more kuror and I have more and more of the same thoughts about persivul so I'll not reiterate them really.

definitely good with my persivul vote, those voting pine make me crazy - and I hate the claim and find him pretty scummy, but, still even so, no, that's a bad vote duhs

no one really comes close to scummyness as persivul I think but jason is close I could lynch him if it came to it, but we've got time so no rush

culted is giving me a good number of pings
shadowwez a few
dunn a bunch but that is a growing read
creature needs to give more substance, a lot more
liking what little I have seen from kuroi
shaz I have going back and forth

game is shaping up nicely!

[drealmerz7]

I grew up in redneckville! as not a redneck

phewwwwboyyyy

[drealmerz7]

I'm doing a bit of a re-read along with my catchup (more of a re-read than I'd usually give at this point but I want to make sure I have all the points fresher in my mind as I go through)

I hopefully will have some good stuff for you this morning, but there's not a lot of content in what I'm seeing (re-hashed content, sure)

sorry for absence, been a bit overwhelmed, but this game is a priority for me so that is why I am going to do it in bigger chunks with fuller focus rather than piece-meal

I am going for a walk and to do some things first, but I have time and should have a substantive post for you all within the next few hours

[drealmerz7]

culted is probably my strongest town read, for multiple reasons. I could be totally off on my first reason, but I don't think scum!Vedith would have replaced out like he did. His tunnel on Shaz seems to be legitimately trying to get motivation and reasoning, and unless this is Scum theater, I don't see this as SvS. (Still trying to decide if I think it's SvT or TvT though).

Lastly, the fact he's willing to ask if he's just dumbtunneling or not isn't something I see town doing

.

this part of this post seems off to me-

can you break it down a little more for me shad? what is the 1st reason that you think you could be totally off on for your TR on culted? why don't you think scum!vedith would replace out like he did?

and another reason you're TRing him is because he's tunneling shaz, you say scum theater and so you must be scum-reading shaz (why?) , but then you go on with your parenthetical side-statment and...

it just stinks of ...stink! (you're still trying to decide though!) ? really off!

and the underlined part, I couldn't find the dumbtunnel comment - who made it? can you link it? in fact, when you do a little catchup like this and refer to things that stimulate your thoughts, can you link them too? it makes following your thoughts easier

I'm guessing you mean shaz is you who mean since you "don't see town asking that" ? and in your paragraph culted is your TR who you agree with because of how they're going after shaz (which isn't scum theater...parenthsis...), but, okay so, why don't you see town asking if they're dumbtunneling?

and then

My other scum lean right now is Jason, he seems to be trying to hide behind the source material. Shaz is doing the same thing, but the key difference to me is how they acted in regard to the amulet once that came into play.

wait, so, now you're not reading shaz as scummy as jason?

I'm really confused, and I know I'm not like "with it" as everyone else, but, am I missing something?

I also don't like how he only show show situations where Pine was scum to promote his lynch neglecting completely the town Pine mislynch consequences.

Feel free to point those out. As I see it, if he's mislynched:
- we lost a townie who made himself an easy mislynch target by claiming for no reason and in a contradictory manner

- we get better info than from another mislynch, as the people on his item wagon now look better

So tell me what I'm missing.

this is scum mentality THROUGH AND THROUGH as I see it

"if he's mislynched" rather than "if he's a mislynch" - things like that really stick out to me and I think are important in analyzing as scumslips

I have a case, it's mostly just me procrastinating to typing it up.

1. You could have held off on the vote until you had time to post the case. Naked votes frequently cause suspicion. This is nothing new.

2. If it's a good case I'll think better of you.

don't tell him how to play

plenty of ppl cast votes without giving their cases immediately

sure, ask about it if you want, see what response you get then, but, now you're just making something out of nothing, he's explained himself

okay there's my stuff from my re-read (there was more in the beginning but I wanted to stay more current and pointed)

all the way to the top of page 22 - posting this, getting food, and catching the rest of the way up

[drealmerz7]

wow, if that isn't clear what I'm on about there shad, let me know, it was much more cohehernt in my head

[drealmerz7]

missed posting part of my post...wtf?

So essentially it's a refresher?

I'm not familiar with that term.

If he's nervous scum, as he seems to be, it could be something completely different, and he just screwed up in making a fake claim about the item.

persivul continues to push this view, it makes me uncomfortable

I'm really not comfortable with pine or persivul at this point in the thread

I wish pine would not have gotten the item or claimed it or done 3/4 of the stuff he's done so far

persivul's % of scumping posts are higher than that, and yet they are seeming to definitely not be scum-mates

I'm meh on him, i don't like how he claimed, and the way he went around claiming, but i'm not really overly thinking he is lynch worthy at this point.

So you see those things as negative, but don't think he's lynch worthy. OTOH you have a vote on drealmerz but haven't made a case on her at all. Why is drealmerz more lynch worthy than Pine, and why aren't you explaining or pushing your case? Feels like scum who can't make a case but know that they're supposed to be voting someone.

I also get seen as ML bait easily by scum and will often get one parked on me early waiting for the correct moment to strike, I always keep an eye/feel for this happening, and will let everyone know

You needn't worry about me, Kuror0. I'm gaining my bearings as they come, but being voted because I'm V/LA is completely moronic.

agreed

I've been busy and am still dedicated to the game and there is time, no reason to be voted for even lurking, and for V/LA is wtf?

[drealmerz7]

... effectively removing the item from town, and almost from the game until he's killed one way or the other...

I find this to be a gross misrepresentation of how it is even close to possibly bein

He's a Miller claim. Proper protocol is a vig shot. If he's still alive tomorrow, I'm down to lynch him.

right

Does this sound non-genuine to anyone else?

sounds fine

Feel like kuroi's reaction to getting policy voted was kinda flaccid? Like does he scumread me for it or is he just pissed?
Kinda feel like he's pushing creature for nai/surfacey things while there's already a smidgen of hype there? Scummy.

Pine/Dunn might be a bus after thinking over stuff and persivul + others have brought up some very good points down to apply my pressures after a VC.

drealmerz is an iso I wanna look at as well.

don't like this post at all, sounds shade-throwy

Right my mistake you didn't really push him, just threw some shade his way.

kuroi responds to you and corrects you and this is your response ^ oof, scummy

This and saying that Creature should know better than the way he's playing. How is any of this throwing shade?

Wasn't talking about that, maybe we'd cut directly to the root of the problem more easily if I just laid out an entire case on you next time.

I tend to scumread players without purpose. When I see an iso of someone who's vla but still with enough time to make reaction posts coupled with your first few posts pinging me as awkward somewhat you can see why my vote was placed where it's at right now. What's the purpose behind catching up and quoting creature's activity list to display frustration about having attention called to you for being away if you had already displayed that in the same post to me?

To me this seems less like someone sorting the game and more like someone coasting by, looking like they're dancing with the thread but really are just posting words for words.

But I think I may understand how you play a touch better now. Let's not make more noise with this let's talk about who you're scumreading besides pine.

nothing up that tree, time to retreat and try a different one?

VOTE: drealmerz

ohmy! *greases his bark*

VOTE: Drealmerz

?

Yeah, this is scummy af. Hedging your bets.

nope just telling everyone how I feel at the time I feel it if I find it pertinent (which I find being on such a fence is important to note so that later it doesn't seem like I'm flip-flopping, it's legit how it is sometimes)

Huh? You're suspicious because he wants to take out someone who you say reeks of scummyness?

no, because of the use of the phrase "take out" - I think you understand this and are pretending to not to be scummy

It's bad to vote someone who reeks of scummyness and made a claim which you hate?

you're not voting him for my reasons!!!! WOAH SCUM!!

So far my confident townreads:
Pine
Persivul
culted

WOAH SCUM!!!

Has been drealmerz7 been posting a lot in Part 3?

no he's been busy and hasn't given the game attention it deserves, remedying that now

Damn, I think most of kuror0's posts are fluff, I think I just discarded a townread on him because gut.

*scratches head* ??? - do you just say things to try and make people believe them when they're clearly not true and, ... *looks at you**scratches head* such hard scumpings here

Guess I mostly wanted kuror0 to be nightkilled first.

uhhh, scum PT slip???????????

OMG THEN HE MAKES LIKE 5 POSTS *nothing to see there...just more empty fluff from creature that you should pay no mind to *coughcough** wtf?!?!? am I the only one seeing that that way?

A moment please.

WHY FUCKING POST THIS JUST TAKE A MOMENT AND THEN POST WHAT YOU HAVE TO POST WTF!?

A moment please.

I still get a feeling this is town!drealmerz7

how would you know?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? do we even have a single completed game together?!?! this stinks on top of a huge pile of stink you've been laying

VOTE: Creature

Dunno if I agree with persivul that pine and dreal looks like distancing, it could be, but dreal's lack of panic atm with pine getting close to eating rope is enough for me to put that off for at least today.

I believe Pine's wagon is at 4 and stalled now.

You're voting dreal. In a scum!dreal world, what's the alternative to scum!pine and distancing? If pine were town, scum!dreal would be WKing him for town cred. Instead he's saying Pine reeks of scummyness, but then taking the bizarre position that, since very early in the game Pine appeared townie, we should ignore the current reek.

uhhh, no misrep

ignore it? no, just not act on it because of how things work, I think kuror held a similar view / elaborated on it

Could just be that town's more ready for a dreal flip though.

The weird thing is that I'm pretty much in love with how this dreal wagon has built up so far, whereas pine I'm not really scumreading any of the votes on him as much as a few people kinda biding their time on it.

Hard to credit if dreal is more likely to white knight a town pine as scum because if pine's town that's a good mislynch for scum is it not?

what the fuck is this?

what game are you playing?! I'm not even paying attention and this makes no sense other than "scum trying to paint a reality for all to follow" - the wagon barely formed and it's still fucking early in the process, not even close to ready for a flip at this point in the game, no one is, wtf?!

all of it is just so farking out there I don't even know how to respond other than : "wowsa!"

this sounds 2scumbuddies talking in thread to be "clever' with each other even though they have daychat "well it looks like we're losing steam on pine so let's make sure town knows it's okay to go for drealmer now as an alternate"

(2) Persivul - drealmerz7, Pine

Dreal - voting with the person who he finds all kinds of scummy, but says we shouldn't lynch.

wow you still on this?

geebus

is the game this easy for real? you guys just keep confirming your scumness

(2) Persivul - drealmerz7, Pine

Dreal - voting with the person who he finds all kinds of scummy, but says we shouldn't lynch.

not sure I exactly said "we shouldn't lynch him", but the desire to lynch him based on his scummyness is tempered by other things, and those have been gone over, you CONTINUE ON THOUGH!!

Someone said scum had Day talk? I don't remember seeing that on the rules.

Mafia Team has Daytalk enabled in this game.

disconcerting that you "missed this" - I find that less likely that someone like you missed this and more likely it's a scum fake-ignorance - my first real ping from you I think

I'm writing a final paper. You'll get it, but probably not until Thursday. I'm done with the semester Thursday.

Short answer is this:
TRs - Shaziro, Creature, kuror0, maybe SlySly, maybe culted
SRs - Persivul, Jason

Not all reads are equal, and I feel like I'm forgetting some. Longer post Thursday.

I think a read on me would be most helpful since ppl are seeing us linked, and I can see how they see us linked

it's not something I'm actively doing, as, I don't know your alignment and do find you pretty scummy, but I see things that make me give you the benefit of the doubt

@Pine
Why are you townreading kuror?

@Jason
How do you feel about the chances of pine and dreal both being scum?

why directed at just jason?

creature been MIA and then comes back in with more shitposts to make it look like he's doing something, greeaaaat

You're really obsessing over something that wasn't a big deal to me. Have you noticed that I haven't voted you, and my few posts to you since then have been more conversational than accusational? However, your focus on defending rather than scum hunting (you haven't voted me, so that's how the above comes across), when you don't even have a vote, is making me think you're worth a closer look.

p-edit: this is about the previous post (obviously)

pointing out is not obsessing.
Why would I care if you are being conversational to me or accusational to review your actions. That phrase sounds like you are saying "oh no, look we are friends, don't inspect me".
Defending? You got it wrong there. I'm not defending anything but I do use every time someone goes after me to look at their intentions and decide if they are town or scum and you come as scummy on this trade.
If I don't vote my points doesn't have validity? that's just silly, I already said my way of voting and I will finish re reading everything to have everything clear.

this ^

So Creature is just making up reads at this point. If you're trying this hard to provide lots of content so people don't scumread you for being quiet that's nice and all, but the content has to be meaningful. You're throwing out distraction flares. My vote is on scum, I think.

^this

Asking what the Town motivation for such an action is without considering scum motivations is both classic strawman argument and false dichotomy btw. You're inventing a one-sided argument that you can defeat in detail without regard to other implications, and you're also creating a Town/not Town dichotomy which isn't real. You're failing to consider the whole range of options. In addition to Town/Scum, there's also NAI, human error, Scum-pretending-Town, Town misreading the situation, and half a dozen interpretive variants.

There's no real reason for that claim as scum, unless I'm scum trying to look like a Town error. Doesn't stand up to Occam.

towniest post yet

You don't 'necessarily' see the case on drealmerz? What does that mean? What looks town there?

where is the case on me anyway??? what looks scum?

all I see are votes trying to make momentum and subversive manipulation tactics trying to get ppl to vote who they want to vote without making any sort of actual arguments - persivul has come closest to something resembling something, but, it's still absolutely empty

Btw there isn't really a case on drealmerz, that's the best part.

gee aren't you clever? no, no is the answer to that, you aren't, probably just scum realizing they're talking out of their bum

The thing about it though is that I think he's voting scum and just plays like this.

Pine I've literally gone back and forth 10 times.

literally 10? can you detail each?

That's an insult to Creature. Creature has his idiosyncrasies, but he at least puts an effort into his games. The only way you'd know Snarky was here is if you feel the seat and notice it's warm.

but...but...he's a snowman...

[drealmerz7]

586 mean't "hoping kuror0 is nightkilled"

?
still not sure what that means and how that makes it any less WAHATA/>

[drealmerz7]

I didn't ask what it wasn't

I asked what it was

[drealmerz7]

I didn't ask what it wasn't

I asked what it was

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: drealmerz7

I'm shocked

[drealmerz7]

nah, take your time, read the shits, form the views, let us know what you see

[drealmerz7]

and welcome!

[drealmerz7]

your scumlist is similar to mine andrius

I could vote jason or creature if interest doesn't grow on persivul, kuroi is nullscum below them in suspicion intensity for me atm

[drealmerz7]

@shaz - how's he scummier than what persivul's been presenting all game? 90% of persivul's posts are framing things and pushing an agenda based on a bad framing

creature does have like, 90%+ of scummyshitempty posts but, that's not as severe to me as ^

[drealmerz7]

and no scumpings in your brain either? hmmmm...

[drealmerz7]

See the BP claim isn't a BP claim and its straight up Pine.
I mean. I see where has coming from but it just sounds like scum making a big fru fru over nothing.

exactly

I barely even know pine and that is how I feel about it with him

he played it OK for how it went, like he said

I don't have him as high a TR as you at all, but that is what I see pers doing, with whatever he can find to do it with

[drealmerz7]

Seriously don't know why there isn't more votes on Drealmerz.

I can sort of understand the Pine wagon, but i'm still meh on it.

what is the case on me exactly that makes it so baffling as to why I don't have more votes?

pretty awful wagon, if you're town you should be offended to be a part of it and if you're scum you should be ashamed you couldn't come up with something better - AtE intended because ffs it's silly I'm being considered here today with what has gone on

[drealmerz7]

and I'm scum because I disagree with that view? your arguments are continuously awful

[drealmerz7]

UNVOTE: Creature

I should have kept it here all along, definitely the stronger scumread, no matter how much creature was pinging me

VOTE: persivul

[drealmerz7]

I'M ASKING A FUCKING QUESTION TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YOUR VIEW OMG

lynch this guy pls

[drealmerz7]

I'm not entirely sure, I know you're not asking me, but I'm totally town and this is me going after someone I see as scum for the reasons I've detailed in those posts.

the better question is, why are you scum-reading me?

[drealmerz7]

kuror is the towniest player in the game by SO MUCH, I can't help but think people are scum trying to discredit his sound-ness

[drealmerz7]

wow, pers and jason so scummy wtf

can we consolidate on 1 or the other pls?

[drealmerz7]

even more reason for such arrogance in pers's attitude/agenda pushing

[drealmerz7]

yeahhhhh

[drealmerz7]

it would be the lamest scum-push in history I think, hahaa

[drealmerz7]

projection of you and jason there, pers

[drealmerz7]

I'm really not though :|

[drealmerz7]

Drealmerz is about a null read at the moment.

Right and what I'm saying is I don't have any idea who you are; I just find it remarkably annoying and somewhat scummy how disinterested you are in talking about who you think is scum while conversely finding every opportunity to talk about yourself.

Also, you took a look at dreal's iso and just went "shit's nai" right.
Don't really buy it he's posted more content than pine has.

Are you seriously going into a game that's barely begun and complaining about not being able to read me? Keep your shirt on, cowboy. You'll be able to read me soon enough.

You can be annoyed with how I find scum, but I'm not concerned with your delicate sensibilities. The way my approach is, may not be what you like, but it's how I play my game and I'm fine with it.

And I won't explain Dreal's ISO. Part of how I read him involves an ongoing game and I'm not at liberty to speak regarding that.

Whole game feels stalled

might be partially my fault

Why do you say that?

he should totally explain his reads on me if he has them regardless of whatever else

so far at this point in his ISO I have seen ZERO EFFORT to do any scumhunting or really anything

because there isn't much at all from him he goes NULL but because it is SO NULL at this point in the game he leans pretty scummy

I would be okay voting there having looked more at it, definitely, but it's not a top choice because the outward scumminess isn't there like I see it in jason, pers, and even pine.

[drealmerz7]

oops partial post

[drealmerz7]

he pings minor-medium in many posts but the major thing that is scumdicative at this point is his complete lack of involvement

I just did an ISO and, he seems much more scummy in it than I was initially reading him

I mean:

You should be more worried about bringing meaningful content as opposed to just posting more.

he hasn't posted a single thing of content up to this point ^

and this is his comment? scummy no doubt - scum? not so sure

comments after this feel like "safe" and non-committal

then the previous post I made was supposed to be copy/pasted after here

[drealmerz7]

uhhh, you're essentially saying I'm scum for viewing 2 ppl as potential scum who are being scummy because they're being scummy at each other ?

and yet this doesn't apply to persivul?

culted been off forever

I'm leaning more that pine is town in a tough spot and culted is pers + jason's buddy

but it is weird to have 3 ppl that I highly SR pushing my lynch, it's too blatant, yet, there it is

best I know to do is try to lynch #1 SR - pers, but that could switch to culted at this point

[drealmerz7]

I'm not though and your reasons are empty

[drealmerz7]

haha that is utter fluff nonsense ffs

geezuz

[drealmerz7]

totally can do pers or culted, obviously

be more vocal, townies, I know you probs got all the cool PR abilities, but don't let scummers drive the townview here

kuror and andrius!? like seriously pers?!

[drealmerz7]

I'm not gonna front, he's alright scum, there's things in there you'll probably townread him for.

Don't fall for it.

this is scum 100% tonally

[drealmerz7]

Looking back at things, I don't really know how I feel about Dreal's read progression. I can't decide if it seems more to me like he was just trying to get reactions from the people he was pushing on, or from others. If it is from the people he is pushing on, that is towny to me, he wants to see if the person is scum by putting them under some pressure and seeing how they react. If from others, then it's him basically trying to see who he can get a lynch rolling on by gauging town. Does that make sense to anyone else?

yes absolutely and it is the first one

[drealmerz7]

this wagon is horrendous I don't think I've ever seen a worse D1 case and wagon

I'm being serious

[drealmerz7]

seriously

townies:

GO ELSEWHERE

[drealmerz7]

all I've done is call the shit how I see it

[drealmerz7]

btw I'm also a very regular D1 ML if that helps anyone

[drealmerz7]

not trying to be abrasive

just stern

I mean, I don't even know what to defend because I don't even really see much of a case on me it just feels like I'm being strongarmed towards the gallows

[drealmerz7]

You'll find most times people don't have really have cases. Especially during day one. We might see something we don't like, and we may not even be able to articulate it, but we know we'd want someone gone.

Which is why I'm often dead Day One.

oh I know it, but usually a case is better than this, and there is more to be made out there than this

I'm often dead D1 for many reasons, the last of which is ever because I'm actually scum, actually

[drealmerz7]

I think I started on persivul before he was on me, actually, but regardless,

it's not omgus at all, it's based on numerous scummy posts (and motivations behind those posts as I see it) of him throughout the game

[drealmerz7]

hmm to me it feels more like he was trying to find which agenda to push (which one town would most likely go for)

he felt around on me and felt like I am easiest ML and so went for me, is how it feels

then buddies joined in the push

where do you think I should be?

[drealmerz7]

no culted, hmm?

I'd only be interested in jason from that list today, dunnstral will sort, as will kuroi who is more null for me

kuror is my top TR

[drealmerz7]

I am here and considering the things

that is the most reasonable thing I've heard persivul say

I can see creature as scum, but that's not a fully comfortable vote as these 3:

I have culted as my top SR now (framing everything HORRIBLY - it justscreams scum in every post almost)

then pers - his framing of things isn't as nearly as atrocious, it's like culted saw what pers was doing and decided to out do it

then jason - I can switch my vote there but with ^ being on that wagon I'd much prefer pers.

I'd like andrius and others to join me on pers. if we're not willing to lynch culted today which it appears probably not (but all it takes is everyone switching their vote!)



kuror and then andrius are my top TRs

[drealmerz7]

I'd like to reiterate what kuror said about he and I

that it seems like we are just sharing a very similar thought process in a lot of ways, and that's reassuring to me because I know I'm town, it's not about the exact conclusions we're coming too

anyway, pine and dunn seem super-fishy to me but I can't read them well

[drealmerz7]

with pine and jason being prodded as well, it leans towards them being scum imo because of how the wagons were they could feel like they don't need to be as "with it" (not that I've been as much as I should be, I admit) - figuring they'd just hop in near EoD with some BS comments and help secure/finalize the day

[drealmerz7]

switching vote

UNVOTE: persivul[/unvote[
VOTE: jasonwazza

I like this:

Man, I'm way too lazy to provide any meaningful content. I'm gonna prod dodge all game. Don't vote me, I'm not being scummy I'm just being lazy. Voting me is terrible.

"except in the very beginning when talking about the item and lore to make it seem like I was super-helpful"

[drealmerz7]

that still counts as a vote on jason obviously (I'm a bit anal about unvoting - unless I forget!)

[drealmerz7]

I can't tell if you realized I was being sarcastic and poking fun at Jason, or if you are saying that about me. Given that both of us talked items early.

yes I did know you were being sarcastic - haha! no doubt

what's taken shape since the beginning similarities between you and jason...well, you're completely different shapes now (:

[drealmerz7]

is he looking something up?

[drealmerz7]

don't vote me and don't ask me to claim pls

[drealmerz7]

I think we should try and face some dangerous encounters.

More of us = more chances to survive encounters. If we'd gone on one yesterday, jason might have been key. Instead we traded him for some artifact, and it will be the same today if we ML again, which I fear doing because I only have a strong SR on culted now. I care about destroying evil and finding Strahd, and doing that requires as many of us as possible.

13 with a potential trader.

My interpretation of the NK is that Strahd did not perform the kill, but sent a minion. If he'd gone himself, we'd have had no NK and probably 4 instead of 3 Evil among us. We couldn't have asked for a better result as a NK, imo.

bulbazoor is now my 2nd SR (far away from culted though) - I am not comfortable listening to him today

VOTE: Vistani Camp

[drealmerz7]

wow, the Z and the morning hours fucked my brain

shaziro, not bulbaz

I'm not so scum, I am town, relax

I'm not trying to get ppl killed, I'm trying to do right for the team

look at my argument

yesterday we lost town gained an item

whoopie

I think we are safe to go on a quest with this group and want to try it

[drealmerz7]

no that's not it at all and I'm sorry for the fuckup with your name, seriously, my brain is weird, and it is an honest mistake from being awake early, lots of stress, and the Zs - that is it, seriously

anyway, no, I want to go on a quest and confront baddies because I think that is the avenue we should be pursuing rather than item-gathering. It's the adventurer spirit in me, the RP in me, the thoughtprocess I think about from a mod PoV, it's a bunch of things.

I was not happy with the result of D1.

I think if we'd gone on an adventure isntead of collected an item, I THINK THE MECHANICAL RESULT, will be in our benefit MUCH MORE than the mechanical result of receiving an item

like disabling scum powers and shit, I don't know

I don't give a fuck about getting items in a seemingly rolemadness game and potential scum getting them and becming more powerful. I'll take my odds as they are.

[drealmerz7]

us defeating some underling that supplies power to the servants of strahd (whatever players are badguys) could like, disable their powers

disable strongman or ninja or whatever else

it's mechanically a way for the moderator to not just allow the swing to go in favor of scum - does that make sense?

[drealmerz7]

you have to think of odds/likelihoods/what scenarios might result in what results and how to keep that balanced

[drealmerz7]

why would you claim that now?

[drealmerz7]

fear not the adventures! we must face them with courage

we will prevail!

[drealmerz7]

that doesn't really tell me why you decided to divulge that information at that point

we weren't focused on kuroi, he wasn't about to be lynched, to me it doesn't make sense to tell us that unless you fear his death - it outs you unnecessarily to whatever capacity...

[drealmerz7]

another day or 2 is good by me

fair and, we shouldn't be hasty in our decision, though we shouldn't dillydally either

[drealmerz7]

Considering extending the part 1/part 2 of this day so they can actually be here. Thoughts? (Obviously is majority is reached it'll end early anyway.)[/area][/color]

[drealmerz7]

vigging miller claim is fine in theory but it is the vig's call and I hate ppl trying to direct vig shots like, ever, and it shouldn't just be done because the claim has been made it should be assessed in the individual situation and at vig's discretion for when if ever they decide to shoot

my thoughts on the claim here are quite varied and would probably just amount to a bunch of rambles that go from one side of the spectrum of motivations to the other (scum-town)

read on you tomorrow

time for icecream and netflix and sleepworld

[drealmerz7]

personal shits yesterday delayed my play

will get caught up and participate by tonight

[drealmerz7]

HEY DREALMERZ I HAVENT FORGOTTEN ABOUT YOU

that's good
nor I you
or anyone else

catching up reading
interesting shifts in some reads, for sure

[drealmerz7]

scum:

culted
andrius
slysly
shaziro

my view on persivul has switched to more likely completely wrong/misguided town

I think there are 3 scum because of the traitor, otherwise I'd be inclined 4 because of the seeming powers out there

I don't think multiple traitors makes sense

a messenger sounds interesting, not familiar with those type of mechanics so much so really no idea how it'd work

this is a flavor game and all the things have been flavor heavy - can you tell us how the message was relayed to you, andrius? the sender identified themselves and you believe it was them, did they just come to your room at night and talk to you? whatever you can share would be good, I think, at this point, since you've pretty much outed the more crucial info, which:

I have a hugescum ping here because you've outted their role (even if not fully, but to a degree that I'd be uncomfortable with if I were the messenger, of course not confirming nor denying if I am or not) it seems they trusted you with some private info and you dislcosed it, even if anonymously.

[drealmerz7]

yeah that's not what I was looking for but if you don't want to share that's cool I won't push it

[drealmerz7]

pretty sure andrius gotta be scum after all that

town doesn't out the existence of a PR and the relative strength of that PR when it comes from someone they are TRing heading into EoD

you even outed the code I was going to use to confirm to you that I was the messenger so you knew it wasn't from someone claiming to be me

bad form all around

your continuation of it reeks

you know I'm the sender

I'm asking you (pretty much giving you the go-ahead) to tell the flavor of the send in thread SO I KNOW WHAT IT IS, because I don't and the information is useful to me, and I would like it, please

all of it

you state the awareness of that if you share the flavor it could be reverse engineered to figure out my class, well, I was giving you the go ahead, soooo, why the hesitance? at that point I felt you'd already shared the things I didn't want shared (all 3 of them - that you got a message at all, that is MY ABILITY TO DISCLOSE, NOT YOURS, what I told you, and my password to be used as I saw fit at whatever point)

a messenger pigeon, eh? you could have simply said "a little birdie sent it to me" or someshit - all your moves here are scum-motivated to try and paint me as scum

or you're a fool, but, I don't think that is true at all

[drealmerz7]

yes, andrius, culted, and either shaz or slysly for scum, imo

culted has been pushing a framed-view agenda since forever

andrius because of all the things I just said

and shaz or slysly from assocation and behavior

[drealmerz7]

ohyeah and then you told eveyrone it was me

scummmmm

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: andrius

[drealmerz7]

a messenger pigeon, eh? you could have simply said "a little birdie sent it to me" or someshit - all your moves here are scum-motivated to try and paint me as scum

Huh? Do you think he's lying about the way the message is being sent?

no
he's just being indirect when I asked him to just be out with it

[drealmerz7]

I like knowing it is sent by pidgeon, that is what I fucking wanted to know

a bird in general would have sufficed

[drealmerz7]

Shaziro I need your help.

Tell me all you know about pigeons.

If this wasn't me being overt about flavor I don't know how else to do it.

I got that part
it was too late

[drealmerz7]

I know nothing about your role.
That could be scum/ someone else trolling for all that.

but the smart move is to play with caution because if what I told you is true and actually from me, well, uhhhh, then you should be all cautious with that possibility

you outed what you know about my role in thread and now are using the WIFOM of 'don't know if it is you for sure' to excuse it

you just get scummier and scummier

[drealmerz7]

uhhhhhhh

it's my fucking ability to do with what I want

not on your timetable

it's barely lunch time

I wanted more ppl to speak first

I wanted to see what you did

you were wayyyyy too hasty

town-you is more cautious, you have to be

[drealmerz7]

so many things, no way you handle any of that like that if you're town

[drealmerz7]

heh and you expect that you just excuse a handful of scum-moves?

[drealmerz7]

which is exactly what you just did

"yeah that's a ton of scummy shit but hey, my town game, it's reckless like that yo"

uhhh, no

[drealmerz7]

it's seriously irrelevant

[drealmerz7]

I entrusted you with multiple levels of information

you exposed it, and me

your message received confirmed at the beginning of the day was all that should have ever been said until I initiated otherwise

[drealmerz7]

bedtime forme

[drealmerz7]

only thing that matters then if you're town is:

learn to play better and don't do that shit

but I don't believe that is the case

okbed

[drealmerz7]

I'm not panicking, it's fucking retarded he said a fucking thing about anything and I'm saying why and you're all like 'duhh whaaa?'

you are mostly shit players and I'm tired of it

kill me if you fucking want it's your fucking loss

I'll catch up when I have the fucking time and energy to deal with the stupid

[drealmerz7]

I'm not toxic, I'm rightfully pissed at a bunch of stupid fucking moves + scum moves that people are apparently SO FUCKING BLIND TO.

town is outmatched in sheer force of will and that isn't going to change with dumb-townies and scum just railroading everything

if you vote to lynch me and you're town, it's going to be one of the stupidest fucking moves you've done - pretty simple

[drealmerz7]

no claim at L-2
hell, I've claimed enough, really
if you want to lynch me after all that it's the majs stupid fucking move

[drealmerz7]

I didn't claim shit, actually - I told 1 player something relative, and he told everyone else

you don't claim at L-2 though, don't you know? now you do

now I'm L-1 and it's now actually appropriate to claim

I'm a ranger
I can send messages via an animal (I didn't know what animal) at night thanks to my attunement with animals
I can do other shit too, including lead you all on AN ADVENTURE AND GUARANTEE SUCCESS

seriously, if we go on a mission and I'm on it, it will succeed

HENCE WHY I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET US TO ACTUALLY YA KNOW, DO SOME GOOD INSTEAD OF JUST COLLECT ITEMS

I can do other shit too
but I'm not going to tell you what

[drealmerz7]

greedy evil fucks want to collect items and power

good adventurers want to go on missions and destroy evil

get on board with the theme game, ppls

[drealmerz7]

So you're denying telling Andrius that you were a protective role?

can you fucking read, man?

[drealmerz7]

if you can, please do that

[drealmerz7]

please read (and quote what you're reading) of what andrius said

[drealmerz7]

no, I'm trying to teach you to play the game better

[drealmerz7]

it's the pro-town thing to do, which even if you're not town, is my duty

[drealmerz7]

you take what you're refering to "andrius is saying" and you quote it

and then you take what you're refering to I am saying, and you quote it

and then you say "reconcile these please"

[drealmerz7]

any time, pine
I keep hitting refresh waiting for it
show me the contradictions so I can actually address them in actuality and not some theoretical construction of it that is abstract

[drealmerz7]

if he's scum, it's the right tree, right?

[drealmerz7]

UNVOTE: Andrius
VOTE: Pine

[drealmerz7]

culted - leading the charge on horrible wagons based on horribly framed logic that is clearly pushing an agenda and perspective that is putting fear into everyone - hands down top scum choice

shaziro - been coasting by on his "helpfulness" that I don't think has been helpful at all. He has non-commital reads and is getting by as a lurker who isn't lurking sort of play, imo.

persivul - my first scumchoice in the game I think, at least the one that persisted the most, if shaz isn't scum, pers definitely is, but if shaz is scum, pers still could be - again, lots of horribly framed views and trying to push agendas based on those

slysly - seems solvy but, I get horrible vibes from a lot of posts, if we have a neutral, it could be here

everyone else I have varying degrees of suspicion about but,

kuror is my only town read so far

[drealmerz7]

oh fucking hell, man, not like I trust you anyway, but I'm just a Ranger, with a capital R and a small ANGER

[drealmerz7]

oh you are so wise and all-knowing of all the roles and all of the things *bowbowbow* - oh, no, you're full of shit

you were just looking to make an excuse on how to keep your vote on me anyway

give me a fucking break

[drealmerz7]

except I am town and you're either full of shit and going to be like "oops, I really thought ththatthat...duhh..." (being scum)

or you are town damaging the game because of your expectations

I am a Ranger, I am town

get your vote off of me if you're town

[drealmerz7]

nope, you're just playing like shit and it's horrible

[drealmerz7]

why would I refute it? there's no need to, I already fucking said what I am, it speaks for itself, you're just saying shit to say shit, it's not really addressable because you're just spouting bullshit

[drealmerz7]

your play is pathetically laughable

[drealmerz7]

what a scumshit you are

go fucking die

[drealmerz7]

there's no way you're town

ppl, if I get lynched you'll see what I say is true of course, and he's just going to backtrack with a bunch of scumshit being liek 'well I thought, and when..."

don't fucking fall for it

lynch the scumshitsackfucker

[drealmerz7]

I already had low views of this playerlist, but if his shit is allowed to go through, you are all seriously going to be the shittiest bunch of ppl I've ever played with

it's utterly ridiculous

[drealmerz7]

you've written a narrative that when it doesn't go you've decided is scummy

this setup is awesome

but either there are too many scum, or too many shitty players and it's really sad

look at that shit....shaz, quit being a fucknig scumtroll would ya?

[drealmerz7]

Fake anger ATE doesn't get you anywhere, and getting super pissed about being caught scum doesn't either if you are legitimately this angry. Telling people to go die is gross no matter what. Stop.

NO I'M PISSED THAT IF YOU'RE TOWN YOU'RE THIS FUCKING STUPID

[drealmerz7]

but, no, you gotta be scum at this point

*disengage*

[drealmerz7]

when you fakeclaim, you bother to look at the game and see what other claims/reveals have been.

I have almost 20 games experience, I know how to play. If I were scum and going to fakeclaim, I know how to.

I don't need to give a shit about the other claims in the game, because mine's true so it doesn't fucking matter. Deal with it.

[drealmerz7]

Your claim does not fit the other town roles I am aware of. Therefore, yes, I figure it's scum. You've resorted to slinging insults and screaming when you don't get your way. I'm done responding to you, this isn't getting anywhere and I'm not a fan of having to explain to scum why they were caught just because they feel like they were caught for the wrong reason or whatever.

obviscum post covering his tracks

don't let this live ppls

[drealmerz7]

actually, hopefully some ppl have some sense, I shouldn't be the lynch

for serious

it's pretty obvious, scum are just strongarming

I am pissy at you becuase there's nothing else to be - you haven't actually presented a case for me to argue against, you just make shit up - that's all I can say, you're just making shit up that's not true

if anyone has any ACTUAL ISSUES with thinking I'm scum that they'd like me to address, let me know

[drealmerz7]

I have nothing to refute

I fucking told you all there was

Ranger

unless you mean the rest of the words after that in my role PM ? of the....

but I'm not fond of that sort of claim shit because it just gives scum info

suffice to say I've played in a way that should tell you what I am, mr artifact collector

late for work...

[drealmerz7]

not now that they know that success is guaranteed on our first adventure, as long as I'm alive...

now they'll stop at nothing to make sure I'm dead, I'm sure

like you're doing

[drealmerz7]

LAMIST! I called in 30 mins late to work (and the woman there right now is totally cool with it) just so I could try and get this clear (because it occurred to me in the shower you might have been looking for the Ranger of the _________ words

[drealmerz7]

of course you're not, you're scum

you have to keep selling your narrative

I assure you all, it's true!! I'm uber

[drealmerz7]

point out inconsistencies please I'd like to clarify them if they actually are there

(checking in from work! hah! someone messed up all my hardwork of many hours and days and so I'm just doing nothing)

[drealmerz7]

can you take me back over why you think the creature kill was a vig?

[drealmerz7]

I really don't think that's a vig shot

it was just an underling of strahd who did the kill not strahd himself

[drealmerz7]

you don't even fucking know if they're dangerous situations, QUIT ACTING LIKE YOU KNOW

it's in the rules

your narrative reeks

do his ISO ppl

shaz is scum

[drealmerz7]

not what I'm doing

fuck I can't stand you seriously if you're town you're the shittiest player ever