Newbie 1765 | URW | Endgame

[ConnorJC]

I'm reviewing LoveSick's ISO at the moment. I'm early into analyzing the posts, but as far as I can see LoveSick has defended TheDom a lot. I find this weird because TheDom has contributed very little, so I wonder why LoveSick would prop it up so much. This could be a response to getting hammered pretty hard as a lurker herself though.

[ConnorJC]

Or we could switch to me v LQ. I'm not backing down until I hear LQ's current reasons to vote me.

I know this is kinda old, but why do you want yourself vs LQ?

[LicketyQuickety]

Just checked, I apparently have only have voted with nacho. This is only over two votes though, and I wasn't right after him on the first vote (aka this is a coincidence).

This is something I would try and pull if I was Scum in your shoes.

Are you saying you now think I'm scum?

Not necessarily. Really glad you asked though.

[LicketyQuickety]

I have a pretty strong Town read on Tobler after an ISO. His thought are completely open process.

[Rautherdir]

Or we could switch to me v LQ. I'm not backing down until I hear LQ's current reasons to vote me.

I know this is kinda old, but why do you want yourself vs LQ?

At the time I knew that was the most likely place to get information out of others.

[LicketyQuickety]

As my first action, the cop is

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to investigate Nachomamma8 and you are going to Town read me for saying such.

So you're saying you would want a cop to come out day 2 and tell the mafia who they are?
Doesn't seem like town play to me

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

If he would have said something like:

"Bullshit, you are just trying to use WIFOM"

Followed by a vote on me, I would likely have scum read him for such.

[ConnorJC]

UNVOTE: TheDominator37
VOTE: Nachomamma8
I think it's time we got some scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

UNVOTE: TheDominator37
VOTE: Nachomamma8
I think it's time we got some scum.

Brah, naked vote. Your vote on Dom accomplished nothing.

[LicketyQuickety]

Uhg. I need to sleep.

[Plotinus]

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Superhans

(L-4): TheDominator37

Rautherdir

(L-4): LicketyQuickety

TheDominator37

(L-3): Nachomamma8,

ConnorJC,

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LicketyQuickety

(L-5): Rautherdir, Superhans

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(L-4): ConnorJC

Not voting

(4): Lovesick, toblerone187, FancyPants,

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[toblerone187]

Story sounds great, but I actually don't care to read it, because I can't see how it can be that relevant to this game. Although Mafia is a complex game, the fundamental idea of the game is very simple, and honestly what is the point of that story?

I'm sure you're a creative genius, but honestly when you mention "Subliminal messaging" I couldn't help but snort with laughter. The only Subliminal messages you are sending to me with this post is that you think we're too stupid to understand your reads, which is why you couldn't possibly even consider explaining them.

I am glad I am not the only one who thought this. My thoughts were "what a load of pretentious shit". Surely being so obtuse and playing in such a different way does not benefit town in any way - it just confuses matters, makes reads harder and makes it easier for scum to hide in amongst the lengthy, unnecessary self-serving posts that we all have to wade through. Or should we perhaps not even bother reading them as you are clearly so intellectually superior to us and could never possibly be on your level?

[Superhans]

@ConnorJC,
Why do you think Nacho is scum?

Also considering his vast experience, and how logical he has been (so far), do you think that if he were actually scum, we would have a chance of proving it, and lynching him?

[Superhans]

I'm reviewing LoveSick's ISO at the moment. I'm early into analyzing the posts, but as far as I can see LoveSick has defended TheDom a lot. I find this weird because TheDom has contributed very little, so I wonder why LoveSick would prop it up so much. This could be a response to getting hammered pretty hard as a lurker herself though.

I don't find it that surprising. Lovesick was very anti-lurk-lynching (just see how angry she is that we are picking on random lurkers)

What's the cause of this bandwagon on me again? Inactivity? That's a bit unfair if you ask me considering i was asleep during all of the activity. (I wont be quoting posts because my only available source of playing this is my phone so I don't know how to format my posts with quotations on this particular forum)

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Now i wont continue with the excuses as the bottom line is that it was very inconvenient of the time the game started and when the activity had spiked up. So Nachos, how is it a good idea to start hunting for lurkers when 24 hours hasn't past, not giving the players enough time to post as they may have things going on in their lives or are simply asleep? Also for the others which had jumped the wagon on myself, explain to me what type of evidence are you trying to gather from this?

Personally in my opinion, the only right moment for lurker hunting is if they had contributed nothing at all and half of our given time has gone. I mean otherwise, hunting for lurkers is a very easy way of lynching players and if done right, can be an advantage to the scum more so than the town as the ratio of mafia to town is 2:7.

However, if Lovesick continues to defend TheDominator, it could be a very legitimate scum read.

[Lovesick]

I'm reviewing LoveSick's ISO at the moment. I'm early into analyzing the posts, but as far as I can see LoveSick has defended TheDom a lot. I find this weird because TheDom has contributed very little, so I wonder why LoveSick would prop it up so much. This could be a response to getting hammered pretty hard as a lurker herself though.

I don't find it that surprising. Lovesick was very anti-lurk-lynching (just see how angry she is that we are picking on random lurkers)

What's the cause of this bandwagon on me again? Inactivity? That's a bit unfair if you ask me considering i was asleep during all of the activity. (I wont be quoting posts because my only available source of playing this is my phone so I don't know how to format my posts with quotations on this particular forum)

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Now i wont continue with the excuses as the bottom line is that it was very inconvenient of the time the game started and when the activity had spiked up. So Nachos, how is it a good idea to start hunting for lurkers when 24 hours hasn't past, not giving the players enough time to post as they may have things going on in their lives or are simply asleep? Also for the others which had jumped the wagon on myself, explain to me what type of evidence are you trying to gather from this?

Personally in my opinion, the only right moment for lurker hunting is if they had contributed nothing at all and half of our given time has gone. I mean otherwise, hunting for lurkers is a very easy way of lynching players and if done right, can be an advantage to the scum more so than the town as the ratio of mafia to town is 2:7.

However, if Lovesick continues to defend TheDominator, it could be a very legitimate scum read.

At this point I'm not going to defend him as he has posted but ignored the votes made against him. Dont see why I should defend someone who has had the chance to redeem themself and even showed that he has been paying attention but instead of doing so, he continues to go back to this state. (For future reference - not that you would want to remember - I only defend players who show a genuine lack of activity not someone who gets questioned, posts something related to way back and then once again disappears)

[Superhans]

@LicketyQuickety
Regarding posts: 363, 364, and 365.
In these posts we are looking at your Town read of ConnorJC, in post 30.

Lets talk about this shall we? Do you think someone coming on too strong is a Town tell that cannot be faked?

So you think that ConnorJC is "coming on too strong" and that this constitutes as a town read. What does 'coming on too strong' actually mean? Is it just because of how quickly ConnorJC scum read you in 27?

When a Player comes out swinging out of the game, the positive is ALWAYS a Town tell. The negative is much more subdued when faking it, therefore, coming on too strong is ALWAYS a Townie reaction at least if not a very reliable Town tell.

What do you mean "swinging out of the game" is this the same as "coming on too strong"? What do you mean by positive and negative can you elaborate your logic. If coming on too strong is always a townie tell then why would it not be very reliable, you contradict yourself within a sentence.

And Ofc you have to account for the said person coming on too strong and this can be done through analyzing word choice and narrative. So if you disagree with my assessment, provide your reasons and we can talk about it.

Why write 'ofc you have to account for the said [...] this can be done through analysing word choice' when you haven't even bothered to quote anything that Connor wrote, or comment on it.

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word do you personally find interesting and used to make your town read?
Also instead of writing "The said person coming on too strong" just write "ConnorJC coming on too strong", doing it this way is less confusing.

I find this comment the most worrying

What are your reasons to vote me LQ?

And there is a tiny thing that could make me Town read you more for this post. I am already given pause because of this post. I can explain the reason, but like a lot of times, people are not going to understand how that is valid logic because it is based on psychology and not facts.

Psychology is actually a science, and although it certainly isn't as black and white as a discipline such as maths, there is no way you can justify not explaining something because it is based on psychology.

[Superhans]

Solid outside of the box analysis you have there Dr Freud.
UNVOTE: LicketyQuickety

Basically your read is just gut, then... hmmm.

Yes, well, I don't read people in a traditional way.

Can you back it up?
If you have reasoning that trends outside the box, then that's "non-traditional".
If you don't, then you're reading with gut which is plenty traditional if incredibly difficult to calibrate.

You found a contradiction in my play, good for you.

LicketyQuickety, just so you know, I would much prefer it if you did have some original ways to determine scum/town reads, it would make the town's job much easier. I guess I'm coming across so scathing here as I am disappointed and frustrated that your logic so far has just gut feeling. Everyone has gut feeling, and I think it is very valuable, but just please please please state it is gut feeling. If you genuinely analysed word choice, analysed tone etc please pull together the sentences you used to make this assessment and comment on what you find suspicious, what they mean from your standpoint as a player who looks at psychology.

[ConnorJC]

@ConnorJC,
Why do you think Nacho is scum?

Also considering his vast experience, and how logical he has been (so far), do you think that if he were actually scum, we would have a chance of proving it, and lynching him?

I don't think that anybody could get another player lynched right now, except maybe a really stupid quickhammer from both scum.

[ConnorJC]

I'm reviewing LoveSick's ISO at the moment. I'm early into analyzing the posts, but as far as I can see LoveSick has defended TheDom a lot. I find this weird because TheDom has contributed very little, so I wonder why LoveSick would prop it up so much. This could be a response to getting hammered pretty hard as a lurker herself though.

I don't find it that surprising. Lovesick was very anti-lurk-lynching (just see how angry she is that we are picking on random lurkers)

What's the cause of this bandwagon on me again? Inactivity? That's a bit unfair if you ask me considering i was asleep during all of the activity. (I wont be quoting posts because my only available source of playing this is my phone so I don't know how to format my posts with quotations on this particular forum)

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Now i wont continue with the excuses as the bottom line is that it was very inconvenient of the time the game started and when the activity had spiked up. So Nachos, how is it a good idea to start hunting for lurkers when 24 hours hasn't past, not giving the players enough time to post as they may have things going on in their lives or are simply asleep? Also for the others which had jumped the wagon on myself, explain to me what type of evidence are you trying to gather from this?

Personally in my opinion, the only right moment for lurker hunting is if they had contributed nothing at all and half of our given time has gone. I mean otherwise, hunting for lurkers is a very easy way of lynching players and if done right, can be an advantage to the scum more so than the town as the ratio of mafia to town is 2:7.

I think that the LoveSick-TheDom scumteam could be a thing. However, it's very hard to tell when I'm only able to read one of them.
However, if Lovesick continues to defend TheDominator, it could be a very legitimate scum read.

[ConnorJC]

I'm reviewing LoveSick's ISO at the moment. I'm early into analyzing the posts, but as far as I can see LoveSick has defended TheDom a lot. I find this weird because TheDom has contributed very little, so I wonder why LoveSick would prop it up so much. This could be a response to getting hammered pretty hard as a lurker herself though.

I don't find it that surprising. Lovesick was very anti-lurk-lynching (just see how angry she is that we are picking on random lurkers)

What's the cause of this bandwagon on me again? Inactivity? That's a bit unfair if you ask me considering i was asleep during all of the activity. (I wont be quoting posts because my only available source of playing this is my phone so I don't know how to format my posts with quotations on this particular forum)

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Now i wont continue with the excuses as the bottom line is that it was very inconvenient of the time the game started and when the activity had spiked up. So Nachos, how is it a good idea to start hunting for lurkers when 24 hours hasn't past, not giving the players enough time to post as they may have things going on in their lives or are simply asleep? Also for the others which had jumped the wagon on myself, explain to me what type of evidence are you trying to gather from this?

Personally in my opinion, the only right moment for lurker hunting is if they had contributed nothing at all and half of our given time has gone. I mean otherwise, hunting for lurkers is a very easy way of lynching players and if done right, can be an advantage to the scum more so than the town as the ratio of mafia to town is 2:7.

However, if Lovesick continues to defend TheDominator, it could be a very legitimate scum read.

I think that the LoveSick-TheDom scumteam could be a thing. However, it's very hard to tell when I'm only able to read one of them.

EBWOP

[ConnorJC]

@Superhans, what are your thoughts on toblerone?

[Superhans]

I'm getting Town reads on Toblerone based mainly because his content is transparent, and also seemingly pro-Town (although its too early in the game for this to be a reliable read).
By transparent I mean that he isn't cryptic like LQ, or waffling/off topic like Lovesick. I like that fact that he backed me up when I said I didn't understand half of what LQ is saying, and promoting clarity is what a town player would want to do.


The post that we may want to be addressing is 335:

I have to be honest, you guys (and gal) are losing me with all these arguments and hypothesis

What is interesting to me is that at least 3 people asked for my views, but when I gave them, no-one was interested in them - maybe because they were not analytical enough?

^@Toblerone, Apologies on behalf of all of us who may have neglected your analysis. Please re-post any of your views, or suggest any new scum/town reads that you may have.

[ConnorJC]

I'm getting Town reads on Toblerone based mainly because his content is transparent, and also seemingly pro-Town (although its too early in the game for this to be a reliable read).
By transparent I mean that he isn't cryptic like LQ, or waffling/off topic like Lovesick. I like that fact that he backed me up when I said I didn't understand half of what LQ is saying, and promoting clarity is what a town player would want to do.


The post that we may want to be addressing is 335:

I have to be honest, you guys (and gal) are losing me with all these arguments and hypothesis

What is interesting to me is that at least 3 people asked for my views, but when I gave them, no-one was interested in them - maybe because they were not analytical enough?

^@Toblerone, Apologies on behalf of all of us who may have neglected your analysis. Please re-post any of your views, or suggest any new scum/town reads that you may have.

It's because this was all of his reads. What he said was basically just a rehash of what other people had already said. This could be because he's new, or because he's scum that's way too careful.

[ConnorJC]

Ok, so looks like my most recent vote didn't pay off at all. For now:

UNVOTE: Nachomamma8

[ConnorJC]

@Mod, requesting a prod of FancyPants, as over 24 hours have passed since his last post, and it's the weekend (24 hour prods if I read the rules right)

[Plotinus]

@Mod, requesting a prod of FancyPants, as over 24 hours have passed since his last post, and it's the weekend (24 hour prods if I read the rules right)

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