Newbie 1758 - Symmetry (Game Over)

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Post Post #850 (ISO) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:27 am

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I can understand if you're scum reading me for being anti-town
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Post Post #851 (ISO) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:05 pm

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I think there are reasons to scumread HM aside from him being just anti-town. At this point it looks like an HM lynch would be best today but if he flips town I have no idea who out of ThinkBig/Howard would be scum. Ugh.

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Post Post #852 (ISO) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:08 pm

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Just a note to say that I've finished my review of SS and the case against her, and she still looks town to me. I'll look at Howard tomorrow.
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Post Post #853 (ISO) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:40 pm

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I think the problem with me not being able to generate reads is because there's not a lot of AtE's. I'm better at those for some reason, and well i guess everyone here except Joshz has minimal AtE.

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Post Post #854 (ISO) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:52 pm

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HM, when you say you're better at reading AtEs do you mean that you think you're better at determining when a player using a lot of emotion is genuine or not? I'm having a little trouble understanding you here.

If that's the case what's your opinion of very unemotional play? You said earlier it seems weird for people to remain calm when they're close to being lynched. Do you still feel that way?
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Post Post #855 (ISO) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:58 pm

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[quote="In post 854
If that's the case what's your opinion of very unemotional play? You said earlier it seems weird for people to remain calm when they're close to being lynched. Do you still feel that way?[/quote]
Maybe not just plain unemotional play, but when you're close to being lynched and not freak out? Kinda suss.
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Post Post #856 (ISO) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:00 pm

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Why do you think scum would be less likely to freak out than town? Arguably lynching scum hurts their win condition a lot more than lynching town does. For example, if I got lynched today I'd be disappointed but I'd know town would still have hope in lylo. If scum was lynched today though it'd be game over for them.
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Post Post #857 (ISO) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:17 pm

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In post 856, Sobolev Space wrote:Why do you think scum would be less likely to freak out than town? Arguably lynching scum hurts their win condition a lot more than lynching town does. For example, if I got lynched today I'd be disappointed but I'd know town would still have hope in lylo. If scum was lynched today though it'd be game over for them.
because they know that the town doesnt know who the scum are, and so if they don't freak out then they won't get lynched
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Post Post #858 (ISO) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:06 am

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Vote Count 3.3

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Post Post #859 (ISO) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:05 pm

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Howard looks town to me, so I'm back to looking at Josh/ThinkBig and HM. I can't make my mind up there yet.
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Post Post #860 (ISO) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:33 am

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This game seriously needs more activity.
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Post Post #861 (ISO) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:25 am

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Yeah I'm hoping everyone was just inactive because they were busy this weekend and it will pick up soon.

ThinkBig, have you finished reading through the whole game? Are your reads still the same?
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Post Post #862 (ISO) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:36 am

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Yes. My reads are still the same.
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Post Post #863 (ISO) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:38 am

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After work I'll hopefully have more to say. HM is the best lynch IMO
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Post Post #864 (ISO) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:11 pm

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ThinkBig are you still suspicious of Howard? If we lynch HM and he flips town I'm very unsure between you and Howard who is scum.
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Post Post #865 (ISO) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:26 pm

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He is null town ATM. I'm strongly considering the pros and cons of a no lynch. Huntress will be dead tonight for being conf!town and tomorrow we should also be able to safely no lynch.
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Post Post #866 (ISO) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:30 pm

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What pros are there? If we nolynch today and tomorrow we get to lylo with 2 scum kills, one on Huntress and one on either me, you, or Howard, whereas if we lynch today we have a chance of straight up winning today or at least killing off one of the more anti-town players and going into lylo with (assuming HM is the lynch) me, you, and Howard. If the thread was more active I could see a benefit since we would have more time for discussion but right now I'm not seeing it.
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Post Post #867 (ISO) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:32 pm

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That is true, which is why it's probably best to not no lynch. Lynching hellfire at least gives us some information and he has been anti-town for the vast majority of the game.
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Post Post #868 (ISO) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:34 pm

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If HM isn't scum then if we nolynch twice scum will definitely let HM live and everyone will just come around to an HM lynch like we were doing today and town is lost.

If HM is scum then we should just lynch him today and win. Nolynching twice would just put this off for two days and also risk a loss.

PEdit: yeah thats what I was thinking basically.
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Post Post #869 (ISO) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:49 pm

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I agree. HM's flip will at least give the town information to go forward.

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Post Post #870 (ISO) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:21 pm

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There's no reason to no-lynch. We usually only consider that when there's even numbers, particularly in mylo (mislynch and lose), to narrow the options. We haven't got that here.

I'm starting to come round to the idea that HM is the best lynch for toDay but I'm still bothered about the Josh/TB slot. I haven't been able to look at it today but I'll get on to it tomorrow.

In post 842, Hellfire Missile wrote:Plus i would've unvoted if i'd saw that HS was going to get lynched.
Why would you have unvoted?

In post 869, ThinkBig wrote:I agree. HM's flip will at least give the town information to go forward.
What information will HM's flip give us, if it doesn't end the game of course?
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Post Post #871 (ISO) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:21 pm

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Appeals to emotion are more than reactions to wagons. IMHO reactions to wagons can be helpful based on personal play style, especially in game inconsistency, and not so much as a generality. They can sometimes be more valuable after a flip. I look for attempts to manipulate with fear, flattery, and hope.

We have two chances to find the scum. There is no good reason to no lynch.

VOTE: ThinkBig

Your vote is on Hellfire Missile based on the lynches. You mentioned a FOS on me without explanation. That's all you've given us. Nothing has changed for me.
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Post Post #872 (ISO) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 5:20 pm

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Is that L-1? I really don't think this would be our best lynch for today. HM is much more likely scum IMO and much more anti-town than ThinkBig or Joshz has been.
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Post Post #873 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:23 am

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In post 870, Huntress wrote:
In post 842, Hellfire Missile wrote:Plus i would've unvoted if i'd saw that HS was going to get lynched.
Why would you have unvoted?
I would've unvoted because at the time, when i voted, i just had a feeling that something was off. I didn't expect the vote to go by so quickly.
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Post Post #874 (ISO) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:09 pm

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Yet you were fine with leaving her at L-2 for two days?
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