Large Normal 199: L'Hôtel Pleuvoir (Fin)

[xSoniaNevermindx]

VOTE: Titus
There's being stubborn and then there's being unreasonable
this is the ladder

[Aj The Epic]

That's gonna need an explanation or quote for context.

[Titus]

Gamma, I can take a heated comment. Calling me trashy as fuck is just a threatened individual retaliating. Given he won't give last reads when he buys you shooting him, we're likely looking at a red flip. No need to engage. He refuses to give up his buddies.

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus
There's being stubborn and then there's being unreasonable
this is the ladder

Just how am I being unreasonable? Removing a known liar who does not admit it is the height of reason.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Titus
There's being stubborn and then there's being unreasonable
this is the ladder

I'm still willing to lynch this fyi

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus
There's being stubborn and then there's being unreasonable
this is the ladder

I'm still willing to lynch this fyi

Why? Just because someone doesn't like me is not grounds for lynching.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

VOTE: Titus
There's being stubborn and then there's being unreasonable
this is the ladder

Just how am I being unreasonable? Removing a known liar who does not admit it is the height of reason.

Do you really think Tywin is scum after all these out bursts he's doing?
This screams frustrated town and you just trying to play it off is just...zzz You're not a stubborn person Titus you're quite smart scary even you should know when this is real or fake.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

VOTE: Titus
There's being stubborn and then there's being unreasonable
this is the ladder

I'm still willing to lynch this fyi

Are you still bitter that my meta on you always works that you want to lynch me in any game?
My day start that you called a scum slip was banter between me and cloud because we know each other

[Aj The Epic]

Sonia, frustration and AtE is NOT AI. Certainly backing it up with nothing but lying and flaming proves nothing more than something about the user themselves.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Titus
There's being stubborn and then there's being unreasonable
this is the ladder

I'm still willing to lynch this fyi

Are you still bitter that my meta on you always works that you want to lynch me in any game?
My day start that you called a scum slip was banter between me and cloud because we know each other

That's not banter when you say your scumread can't read you.

[Alisae]

Titus, for me, I just don't like when Kyouko hopped on the Tywin wagon.
Like, this whole game I feel like he's been chainsawing Lapsa. He's mostly been going after people on the Lapsa wagon. And I don't see why when he's giving Lapsa a nullscum read. It would make sense if he's trying to get towncred from Lapsa, but he thinks Lapsa is nullscum.
And he's not doing that much to stand out, he's sorta just under the radar while appear to be doing town things. I don't like it.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Emotions are a part of this game it's easy to be upset as scum yes it's also easy to fake it
Tywins play seems like "well fuck this I'm just a fucking towny" he was also towny before the outburst it's not like I'm just starting to tr him.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

VOTE: Titus
There's being stubborn and then there's being unreasonable
this is the ladder

I'm still willing to lynch this fyi

Are you still bitter that my meta on you always works that you want to lynch me in any game?
My day start that you called a scum slip was banter between me and cloud because we know each other

That's not banter when you say your scumread can't read you.

I don't sr cloud
he can't read me as well as he says he can also I don't know how me talking like was like knowing Cloud was town I'd not be stupid enough to even do that please I'm a great scum player.

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus
There's being stubborn and then there's being unreasonable
this is the ladder

Just how am I being unreasonable? Removing a known liar who does not admit it is the height of reason.

Do you really think Tywin is scum after all these out bursts he's doing?
This screams frustrated town and you just trying to play it off is just...zzz You're not a stubborn person Titus you're quite smart scary even you should know when this is real or fake.

Yes, and most of the time people who persist in lying are scum. If Tywin was engaging in analysis, I would be open to revisit. He isn't.

He believes he will die soon, and doesn't give reads. That isn't town. The lying isn't town. Attempting to argue I am personally attacking him is not town.

If he is town, his refusal to critically think makes him of no use to me and makes it impossible to reevaluate.

[Titus]

Titus, for me, I just don't like when Kyouko hopped on the Tywin wagon.
Like, this whole game I feel like he's been chainsawing Lapsa. He's mostly been going after people on the Lapsa wagon. And I don't see why when he's giving Lapsa a nullscum read. It would make sense if he's trying to get towncred from Lapsa, but he thinks Lapsa is nullscum.
And he's not doing that much to stand out, he's sorta just under the radar while appear to be doing town things. I don't like it.

Expand more with citations please.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Not everyone remembers everything in the thread just because events can be remembered differently doesn't make it scum more so as a misunderstanding

Can you quote what he thinks is you personally attacking him.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

I also don't see Tywin playing the way he is as scum

[Lapsa]

and AJ in my scumlist for a reason.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Gamma annoys me and I want to bias lynch him. Can get behind that wagon
I don't see it as omgus more just as dislike that he thinks I'd slip as scum and he hasn't done anything.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma annoys me and I want to bias lynch him. Can get behind that wagon
I don't see it as omgus more just as dislike that he thinks I'd slip as scum and he hasn't done anything.

How have I "not done anything"?

[Alisae]

Titus, for me, I just don't like when Kyouko hopped on the Tywin wagon.
Like, this whole game I feel like he's been chainsawing Lapsa. He's mostly been going after people on the Lapsa wagon. And I don't see why when he's giving Lapsa a nullscum read. It would make sense if he's trying to get towncred from Lapsa, but he thinks Lapsa is nullscum.
And he's not doing that much to stand out, he's sorta just under the radar while appear to be doing town things. I don't like it.

Expand more with citations please.

Posts being referenced. The higher the quote is, the more recent it is.

Spoiler:

@Alisae - I've been trying to figure out if only one or both of you are scum by convincing you to vote each other. Tywin was close to the bottom of my reads list when I last gave it; I'm not in the habit of defending my SRs. I prefer to talk to them until they talk themselves into or out of a corner, and either lynch them or let them go depending on how I feel about them after the discussion.

Town - Titus, Transcend
Townlean - Elbirn, Cabd, Cloud

----D1 Lynch Line----

Townlean - Sonia, Nero Cain
Nulltown - Pine, Nosferatu, mozamis
Nullscum - Gamma, Lapsa, Aj
Scumlean - LUV, Tywin
Scum - Alisae

VOTE: Tywin
I'm not defending bad play. You're trying to misrepresent the things Titus is saying, and when confronted with quotes you are ignoring the fact that you have been misrepresenting her.

@Cloud - you're at least half right b/c Titus is town, but one or both of Tywin and Alisae are scum here. I wanted to stay on Alisae of the two because she was on the Lapsa wagon. Also I think it is not pro-town to park your vote on an inactive slot. There are things happening right now that you could be influencing better if you were voting a relevant wagon.

@Alisae - "Me because of my role pm says so." Serious answer please. If you think that was a serious answer then who's your second-strongest TR?
pedit: jk

@Titus:
Town - Titus, Transcend
Townlean - Elbirn, Cabd, Cloud

----D1 Lynch Line----

Townlean - Sonia, Nero Cain
Nulltown - Pine, Nosferatu, mozamis
Nullscum - Gamma, Lapsa, Aj
Scumlean - LUV, Tywin
Scum - Alisae

I usually don't do these, but I'm assuming you asked me for a good reason. There are 2 townleans above and below my lynch line because some of these are in my no vote zone and others are not. Cabd would be townlean on the bottom side of the line if he wasn't in your list of top TRs.

Lapsa seems to be genuinely evaluating the game, but I feel off about this because of his earlier posts that caused a wagon on him.

Lapsa's earlier posts about masons made him look like lynchbait. This is why Nero, Transcend and I are watching those 5 voters, because scum try to push lynchbait early when it feels like they can get away with it.
Speaking of Lapsa and masons, I don't think he ever answered this and he's here now so

Lapsa, do you really dislike Masons? If so, why?

kk getting back to those Tywin and Alisae reads now that I'm sober.
Leaning Town on Alisae, not as sheepy as I thought, that was just the word I used last night to describe her very early play involving the introductions and all. I think the only sheepy vote she had was on Lapsa After she dropped the catposting things looked a lot better from her.
Tywin the play looks scummy so far, could wagon that if he keeps on the way he is and the right people are voting him, but not right now.

There are scum here in the bold:

Votecount 1.3

Lapsa 5 (

Pine

,

Gamma Emerald

,

Titus

, Alisae,

Elbirn

)

So my vote will stay here until all the bold look town or someone else scums up the thread.

Uhh Lapsa's avatar is a cheetah not a dog

I think he was not being serious about not liking masons.
This is the scum on his wagon
VOTE: Elbirn

867 Is where he references his reads. Notice the nullscum read on Lapsa. And at this point, I've been saying that I thought Lapsa was town. I also recall him not trying to fight my townread on Lapsa. I forgot which post it was, but it was post 860 when he asks what my strongest townreads are. So I feel like he was okay with me reading Lapsa as town at the time, cause he didn't really try to fight me on it. In fact, I don't recall him fighting me on any of my reads like you have been.

Kyouko's even confirming in 500 that he's been paying attention to Lapsa's wagon. While I do agree that scum like to push lynch bait, what is blantanly wrong is I never pushed it.

The only few times when he has been voting anyone that wasn't on the Lapsa wagon was when he hopped on AJ's wagon.
BTW Kyouko, why did you hop on Aj's wagon when you did? I assume it has to do with Transcend?

As for Kyouko currently, I think he's just staying under the radar. He said he wanted to interact with his scumread, but quite frankly he never got the chance to, cause he's gonna die. Atleast, I am assuming he wanted to interact with his scum read on Tywin. Not to mention the only people that are pulling him into question are me and AJ. You seem to think he's town after all. And him hoping onto the wagon when he did seemed perfect for him.

[Cabd]

I give up. Is this how the secretary of state feels when trying to talk to Israel and Palestine?

I'm going to reset and approach this entire thing from a different angle; with the caveat that nobody should put a wagon anything higher than L-2 while we are actively awaiting a slot replacement and pine to catch up.

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Tldr of gamma's iso: Shade throwing with shallow comments.

[Gamma Emerald]

AHAHA YOU'RE SCUM.
Read my catchup.

[Cephrir]

Please be civil to one another until the mod gets to a computer.