Newbie 1765 | URW | Endgame

[Nachomamma8]

There was very clear pressure on R and that can scare Scum and Town into premature claiming in a newbie game.

Find me one newbie game where scum prematurely claimed PR.

[LicketyQuickety]

There was very clear pressure on R and that can scare Scum and Town into premature claiming in a newbie game.

Find me one newbie game where scum prematurely claimed PR.

Why? This game is not based on facts.

[Nachomamma8]

Fakeclaiming is a skill that most newbies haven't quite learned until they've played a few games, which means they're typically too conservative with fakeclaiming as opposed to too aggressive. Fakeclaiming a PR early as scum in this setup is suicidal, meaning that an experienced player wouldn't advise them to fakeclaim prematurely. Truthfully claiming prematurely as town is a pretty frequent phenomenon; you have a role, you have no idea when and if you're supposed to out it, you don't want to get lynched without claiming it.

Your argument that scum and town both out early is not a good one; scum and town deal with pressure in different ways in this particular situation. Scum typically try other tactics (lurking out pressure, AtEing, OMGUSing) before resorting to claiming their role while town who misjudges momentum tends to claim their role pretty quickly.

[Superhans]

(Explanation in my post 660.

You thought he was scum because he contradicted himself?

In conjunction with my scum reads in 604 and how low quality Rautherdir's posts were.

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[Nachomamma8]

I alluded to this before - That Dom could be not posting on purpose as a reaction test. Dom is seeing me taking the lead and seems fine with that.

This seems like a low-likelihood theory.

[LicketyQuickety]

Fakeclaiming is a skill that most newbies haven't quite learned until they've played a few games, which means they're typically too conservative with fakeclaiming as opposed to too aggressive. Fakeclaiming a PR early as scum in this setup is suicidal, meaning that an experienced player wouldn't advise them to fakeclaim prematurely. Truthfully claiming prematurely as town is a pretty frequent phenomenon; you have a role, you have no idea when and if you're supposed to out it, you don't want to get lynched without claiming it.

Your argument that scum and town both out early is not a good one; scum and town deal with pressure in different ways in this particular situation. Scum typically try other tactics (lurking out pressure, AtEing, OMGUSing) before resorting to claiming their role while town who misjudges momentum tends to claim their role pretty quickly.

You are saying claiming a PR is too advanced a play to make and back that up by saying that it is "suicidal."

Town and Scum do not ALWAYS deal with pressure in different ways. What happens when you corner a Dog who is abused? The Dog could be in the right or in the wrong, it doesn't matter, it is going to attack.

And IIRC I believe you used the same logic as this at some point in the game.

[Nachomamma8]

I'm going to read LQ as town for now.
To be honest, I'm not really sure how to continue now.

You're very noncommittal, almost like you're a scum trying to blend in. I don't like the part of the game where you jump on every lurker bandwagon one after another. I like you voting LQ, but I don't like the reasons you ended up providing for it.

Why would you say that you didn't know how to continue when you had a scumread that you hadn't yet attempted to pursue?

That, and I didn't like his lack of reasoning and found it pretty scummy.

Connor, why did you scumread this post?

[Nachomamma8]

You are saying claiming a PR is too advanced a play to make and back that up by saying that it is "suicidal."

Town and Scum do not ALWAYS deal with pressure in different ways. What happens when you corner a Dog who is abused? The Dog could be in the right or in the wrong, it doesn't matter, it is going to attack.

And IIRC I believe you used the same logic as this at some point in the game.

I'm not saying that it's advanced. I'm saying that it's unlikely.

I don't mean to say that Town and Scum always deal with pressure in different ways; I mean to say that they deal with pressure in different ways wrt roleclaiming.

[LicketyQuickety]

You are saying claiming a PR is too advanced a play to make and back that up by saying that it is "suicidal."

Town and Scum do not ALWAYS deal with pressure in different ways. What happens when you corner a Dog who is abused? The Dog could be in the right or in the wrong, it doesn't matter, it is going to attack.

And IIRC I believe you used the same logic as this at some point in the game.

I'm not saying that it's advanced. I'm saying that it's unlikely.

I don't mean to say that Town and Scum always deal with pressure in different ways; I mean to say that they deal with pressure in different ways wrt roleclaiming.

And I disagree. I have seen Town claim Doc as VT When they were prolly getting lynched and it nearly cost Town the game. And this was a player with some experience as well.

[Nachomamma8]

And I disagree. I have seen Town claim Doc as VT When they were prolly getting lynched and it nearly cost Town the game. And this was a player with some experience as well.

This is completely different from the situation that we're looking at now.

[LicketyQuickety]

And I disagree. I have seen Town claim Doc as VT When they were prolly getting lynched and it nearly cost Town the game. And this was a player with some experience as well.

This is completely different from the situation that we're looking at now.

Not really. Its a person claiming PR because they feel cornered.

[ConnorJC]

Oh man, I feel like such an idiot. I sat refreshing at the last post on a page and missed the new page. Catching up on last two pages real quick.

UNVOTE: TheDominator37
VOTE: Nachomamma8
I think it's time we got some scum.

Talk to me about your vote here; you say that it wasn't a reaction test, but clearly you expected something from it. What was your goal with this vote?

It was a reaction test, I just wanted Rautherdir's and LQ's reactions, didn't care about yours.

[LicketyQuickety]

Ok, so looks like my most recent vote didn't pay off at all. For now:

UNVOTE: Nachomamma8

Mate, R didn't post at ally before you took your vote off.

[ConnorJC]

I'm going to read LQ as town for now.
To be honest, I'm not really sure how to continue now.

You're very noncommittal, almost like you're a scum trying to blend in. I don't like the part of the game where you jump on every lurker bandwagon one after another. I like you voting LQ, but I don't like the reasons you ended up providing for it.

Why would you say that you didn't know how to continue when you had a scumread that you hadn't yet attempted to pursue?

That, and I didn't like his lack of reasoning and found it pretty scummy.

Connor, why did you scumread this post?

To be honest, I didn't make that read until Rautherdir asked me to look at him.

I scumread it because he flat out admitted his motive was self defense rather than actually finding LQ scummy.

[LicketyQuickety]

Ok, so looks like my most recent vote didn't pay off at all. For now:

UNVOTE: Nachomamma8

Mate, R didn't post at ally before you took your vote off.

Mate, you've been following wagons and then you do something out of character: You vote the IC as a reaction test.

When you do a reaction test, its best to tell what info you got out of it, otherwise it just looks like you are saying you did a reaction test to cover your ass.

[ConnorJC]

Ok, so looks like my most recent vote didn't pay off at all. For now:

UNVOTE: Nachomamma8

Mate, R didn't post at ally before you took your vote off.

Mate, you've been following wagons and then you do something out of character: You vote the IC as a reaction test.

When you do a reaction test, its best to tell what info you got out of it, otherwise it just looks like you are saying you did a reaction test to cover your ass.

You're the one promoting confusing play . I didn't get much out of it, because I pulled out too quickly.

[LicketyQuickety]

Ok, so looks like my most recent vote didn't pay off at all. For now:

UNVOTE: Nachomamma8

Mate, R didn't post at ally before you took your vote off.

Mate, you've been following wagons and then you do something out of character: You vote the IC as a reaction test.

When you do a reaction test, its best to tell what info you got out of it, otherwise it just looks like you are saying you did a reaction test to cover your ass.

You're the one promoting confusing play . I didn't get much out of it, because I pulled out too quickly.

Playing confusing is not the goal.

[toblerone187]

Alright, in order of most scummy to most towny:

TheDominator. I know you said excepting lurkers, but this goes beyond lurking.
LicketyQuickety. Rolefishing in 6. I still don't like that.
ConnorJC. Going with the popular vote most all of the time.
Superhans. Just not enough town action
Lovesick. It felt like genuine emotion when she was defending herself. However, her lack of attacks on other players could have put her higher in this list.
Nachomamma8. Would have been most town on this list if I saw more recent content
FancyPants. You immediately set about scum-hunting after getting back on.

Ok so I have not been the most active on here, but why did you not include me on your read list Rautherdir? Not wanting to sound like I am feeling left out but why am I left out?

Superhans did not pick up on it either:

@Rautherdir, who do you think is scum (excepting lurkers) and why?

Alright, in order of most scummy to most towny:

TheDominator. I know you said excepting lurkers, but this goes beyond lurking.
LicketyQuickety. Rolefishing in 6. I still don't like that.
ConnorJC. Going with the popular vote most all of the time.
Superhans. Just not enough town action
Lovesick. It felt like genuine emotion when she was defending herself. However, her lack of attacks on other players could have put her higher in this list.
Nachomamma8. Would have been most town on this list if I saw more recent content
FancyPants. You immediately set about scum-hunting after getting back on.

Your Dominator read is very safe, everyone bar LQ agrees with you.
You are flip flopping like crazy on your LQ read.
ConnorJC is at least contributing judgement, and more original ideas than you.
Lovesick read isn't original, pointed out by LQ.
Nachomamma8's town read isn't explained... I have some more recent content, does that make more the most town in your books?
FancyPants just voted against you and you haven't properly addressed his attack.

[toblerone187]

Okay, to be perfectly honest? My vote was to get him to give me a reason for voting me in the first place. After I saw that was going nowhere I put my vote on TheDom who I am almost certain at this point is scum. Out of those, probably 3.

I'm coming to the conclusion that post 6 was just an RVS thing.

Okay. I'm wondering in case I get quickhammered. Actually, if anyone quickhammers me before I can claim, policy-lynch them please.

PEdit. No.

There's a reason I was suspicious of post 6

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So you say you are now thinking LQ's post 6 was effectively a joke or was intended to move the game forward and get conversation going but less than half an hour later you say there as a reason for your suspicions of that post. So can you clarify where you stand currently? Are you no longer suspicious? If not, what changed your mind and when and why did you bring up your suspicions again after you had changed your mind?

[toblerone187]

@Superhans

@Toblerone is English your first language?

Sorry I forgot to come back to this. Yes it is. Why do you ask? Have I misunderstood something or have I said something you could not understand?

[toblerone187]

I'm not scum though. Though the other Power role could probably realize something I've left out and hinted at a few times.

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power role?

Are you claiming tracker or doctor then?

Ok I am confused here about whether Rauther has claimed and

what

he has claimed
Looking at the matrix, at this stage Mafia can have no idea which PRs town have. Even if Rauther is a Mafia roleblocker there are still 4 possible town PRs, correct? And he could not safely claim tracker as a cop or jailkeeper could call him out on that yes?

@Connor, why did you only mention tracker or doctor? Am I missing something?

[LicketyQuickety]

Yes! Torbler, playing super pro-Town right now. Love it.

[ConnorJC]

I'm not scum though. Though the other Power role could probably realize something I've left out and hinted at a few times.

The

other

power role?

Are you claiming tracker or doctor then?

Ok I am confused here about whether Rauther has claimed and

what

he has claimed
Looking at the matrix, at this stage Mafia can have no idea which PRs town have. Even if Rauther is a Mafia roleblocker there are still 4 possible town PRs, correct? And he could not safely claim tracker as a cop or jailkeeper could call him out on that yes?

@Connor, why did you only mention tracker or doctor? Am I missing something?

He's very confident that there is another power role. Tracker and doctor are the two power roles that always also have another power role in the setup. However, other PRs (Cop and jailkeeper) could have a vanilla townie in their setup. Rautherdir seems to be more confident than that 50-50 that he's not alone.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm not scum though. Though the other Power role could probably realize something I've left out and hinted at a few times.

The

other

power role?

Are you claiming tracker or doctor then?

Ok I am confused here about whether Rauther has claimed and

what

he has claimed
Looking at the matrix, at this stage Mafia can have no idea which PRs town have. Even if Rauther is a Mafia roleblocker there are still 4 possible town PRs, correct? And he could not safely claim tracker as a cop or jailkeeper could call him out on that yes?

@Connor, why did you only mention tracker or doctor? Am I missing something?

He's very confident that there is another power role. Tracker and doctor are the two power roles that always also have another power role in the setup. However, other PRs (Cop and jailkeeper) could have a vanilla townie in their setup. Rautherdir seems to be more confident than that 50-50 that he's not alone.

RBers also know there are 2 PRs in the game.

[ConnorJC]

I'm not scum though. Though the other Power role could probably realize something I've left out and hinted at a few times.

The

other

power role?

Are you claiming tracker or doctor then?

Ok I am confused here about whether Rauther has claimed and

what

he has claimed
Looking at the matrix, at this stage Mafia can have no idea which PRs town have. Even if Rauther is a Mafia roleblocker there are still 4 possible town PRs, correct? And he could not safely claim tracker as a cop or jailkeeper could call him out on that yes?

@Connor, why did you only mention tracker or doctor? Am I missing something?

He's very confident that there is another power role. Tracker and doctor are the two power roles that always also have another power role in the setup. However, other PRs (Cop and jailkeeper) could have a vanilla townie in their setup. Rautherdir seems to be more confident than that 50-50 that he's not alone.

RBers also know there are 2 PRs in the game.

Yes, but I somehow doubt Rautherdir is going to claim RBer .