Open 661: Pick Your Poison [Game Over]

[SnarkySnowman]

Fair enough. The logic behind that was directed at you though; you've already claimed a PR, you likely will not live tonight if you're town.

[Formerfish]

That was directed at Snark.

[SnarkySnowman]

@Grey

tl;dr you because your claim of PR should CC cop if relevant, I agree you're right, though, that in general a cop shouldn't CC though.

[SnarkySnowman]

You could also look at the timing, too - it's monday night, the night I have the most time for dicking around on my PC, and there's no good football game on tonight nor people who invited me to watch

[-Grey-]

Fair enough. The logic behind that was directed at you though; you've already claimed a PR, you likely will not live tonight if you're town.

Do you really think I'm more likely to be killed over a cop claim that you actually believe?

[Formerfish]

You know what rule I usually follow, YOU DONT LYNCH UNCONFIRMED, UNCCED CLAIMS DAY 1.

[-Grey-]

Fair enough. The logic behind that was directed at you though; you've already claimed a PR, you likely will not live tonight if you're town.

^ If Snarky thought I was Scum faking a PR, no way would he think I'd be killed tonight instead of the claimed cop.

He. Is. Scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

pedit; Snarky that vote makes like zero sense.

He's trying to get town to do his dirty work for him and he's too impatient to wait for d2 because I'll be confirmed then.

Okay look

If you're the 1-shot cop, claim, and counterclaim, have a clear case of "one is scum, one is town". One town for one scum is a good trade, and is an acceptable way to use it. On the other hand, your reaction to his claim and how you've talked about it since does not scream "I want to counterclaim this".

YES I AGREE WITH LQ, a cop should CC. It's not bad play.

No, that's suboptimal.

Claiming d2 after results prevents scum from negating the benefit gained by countering today.

If I counter TB, he dies today and I die tonight.

If I wait for d2, he dies d2 and I die n2, BUT WE HAVE A GUILTY OR INNOCENT RESULT TOO!

This isn't rocket surgery.

And if TB is Scum and doesn't die, what can we actually conclude from him being alive? A: Nothing until late game. What makes you think Scum are guaranteed to NK TB tonight? What makes you think there is no JK in the game? Are you not the one who was claiming you would be NKed tonight? What happened to that thought? Why claim PR if you know you are going to die N1 because you claimed PR? A: Either you are VT or you are Scum.

[SnarkySnowman]

Yes.

1) You're a town cop. You CC a scum TB who claimed cop. You get killed at night.
1a) You're a town cop. You don't CC scum TB who claimed cop. You get killed at night and don't get to use your action because that's bad play for scum to let you use your action and have it confirmed by flip.
2) You're a town (not cop). CCing is not relevant.
3) You're a scumbag. CCing only puts you in a 1v1 which is bad for you.

That is what I mean. If you can CC, you should. If you cannot CC, it's not relevant.

[Formerfish]

Grey, do you think that scum would be so brazen to defend their scumbuddy on day 1? Are we looking at scum theater, or svt for towncred?

And again, if scum knows that no one is going to cc the claim, BECAUSE WE FUCKING CANT IF THEY DIDNT PICK THAT ROLE FOR US, then what do we do?

[-Grey-]

In no scenario ever do I not win a CC against TB.

It costs town valuable information to lynch him today, because I won't be able to use my role tonight.


If scum shoots me tonight, what do you think happens to TB tomorrow anyway?

[SnarkySnowman]

Taking your actions into account though, it makes no sense.

Your claim made no sense.

Realeo was a scumfuck.

I really want to see your flip, because I firmly don't believe your soft, and it's just so weird in context to be coming from a town player.

[Titus]

Hey Grey, I know who the cop is and it's not TB. I got your message. You got mine?

VOTE: TB

Lets just say subtlety is not a strongsuit the real cop employs well.

Time to read for detail.

[LicketyQuickety]

In no scenario ever do I not win a CC against TB.

It costs town valuable information to lynch him today, because I won't be able to use my role tonight.


If scum shoots me tonight, what do you think happens to TB tomorrow anyway?

Your argument sucks because there could be a JK in the game. You made a shitty play admit it.

[LicketyQuickety]

Hey Grey, I know who the cop is and it's not TB. I got your message. You got mine?

VOTE: TB

Lets just say subtlety is not a strongsuit the real cop employs well.

Time to read for detail.

Why did you take your vote off me?

[Formerfish]

Titus, should I be worried that you haven't said hello? All those times we had together...

[-Grey-]

Hey Grey, I know who the cop is and it's not TB. I got your message. You got mine?

VOTE: TB

Lets just say subtlety is not a strongsuit the real cop employs well.

Time to read for detail.

Look, I was trying to save this play for d2, but if you insist I'll do it now.

I counterclaim ThinkBig

VOTE: ThinkBig

[Titus]

Grey is my homeboy.

Hi ff. Didn't see you.

Not worried.

[Titus]

Hey Grey, I know who the cop is and it's not TB. I got your message. You got mine?

VOTE: TB

Lets just say subtlety is not a strongsuit the real cop employs well.

Time to read for detail.

Look, I was trying to save this play for d2, but if you insist I'll do it now.

I counterclaim ThinkBig

VOTE: ThinkBig

I vouch.

[LicketyQuickety]

@Mod, my vote should be on Gamma, not Titus.

Corrected

[Titus]

Just revote. Gotta go. No hammers until i fully caught up.

[ThinkBig]

VOTE: Grey

This isn't OMGUS.

If you were the real cop, why did you start going after LQ after I claimed? You should have continued to go after me. After all, if you

were

the cop, then my claim should have been a scum claim to you. By not cc'ing immediately, you have shown that you're scum.

[-Grey-]

@Mod, my vote should be on Gamma, not Titus.

Your vote should be on ThinkBig.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: ThinkBig

[culted]

@Culted, I think order of claims is pretty important.

Why?