Newbie 1765 | URW | Endgame

[Superhans]

Omg

lovestick

its the dominator not denominator

That was deliberate right...

[TheDominator37]

Superhans seems noob town to me. My explanation for us being polite with each other is that we're both new players and realize that about each other.

Yeah if han is scum we're lynchng rauth and vice versa

[TheDominator37]

The goal for day one is to create conversation. A self-vote doesn't really have the ability to do that. Which is why it's considered scummy to vote for yourself.

It seems to be working rn

I don't like this attempt to take credit for starting conversation; it should be obvious that very little (if any at all) discussion is centering around your self-vote.

I also don't like the vote on Superhaus; seems like an easy vote to make with LQ backing you up.

Vote: TheDominator37

Then what started it if my wagon didn't?

LQ's 6 created more meaningful conversation than your self-vote did.

I disagree. My vote and more people talling about it and had more of a lasting impact

[TheDominator37]

Connor, why do you think that Dom is a bad line of pursuit? So far, the only contribution he's managed to make is attempting to take credit for starting the game, which doesn't really seem like a town mindset to me.

It seems like you are trying to discredit me and I don't know why

[Rautherdir]

Hey Dominator, good to see you are actually playing. I'd still like that list of reads, I'll be updating my list as well to account for you being active and other things that happened since I posted my previous list. Actually, can everyone start working on updated reads?

Pedit: Your self-vote also caused more than a bit of confusion. Combined with your lurking it just probably wasn't the

best

play. I won't be counting that against you though.

[Superhans]

Dom no one cares about ur self vote early game.
Nacho's reasons are in the post you quoted.
To prove Nacho you need to make contributions on what you think of the game so far.

Also I disagree that ur self vote had more people talking about it than #6, but it is kinda irrelevant.

[Superhans]

Dom no one cares about ur self vote early game.
Nacho's reasons are in the post you quoted.
To prove Nacho

wrong

you need to make contributions on what you think of the game so far.

Also I disagree that ur self vote had more people talking about it than #6, but it is kinda irrelevant.

EBWOP

[TheDominator37]

Nacho why the push for my lynch? You misrepped connor to try and get him to join me.

[TheDominator37]

I'm not scum though. Though the other Power role could probably realize something I've left out and hinted at a few times.

Is this a PR claim?

[Rautherdir]

Another reads list, this time including Toblerone187. I did not intend to forget you in the last one. Trying a different format this time

Scummy:

ConnorJC. Your constantly following Nacho. I'm not the first to mention that.
Nachomamma. You've left a few questions unanswered. I'd be on the fence regarding you otherwise.

On the fence:

Superhans. It's a gut feeling mostly, I don't have enough evidence to call you scummy but something just doesn't feel right about your play.
Toblerone. I keep forgetting you exist. I'm wondering if you're just really good scum, but that could also be easily caused by a problem on my end.
TheDominator. Keep up the good work. You're almost town in my book.

Town:

Lovesick. Like Superhans, it's just a gut feeling really. I would be on the fence about you otherwise.
FancyPants. You've been doing a good job so far.
LicketyQuickety. Your arguments were the only thing keeping me from calling a lynch on Dominator earlier. Combined with some of your other play, you're now a town read from me.

Pedit. It was a PR soft claim, apparently.

[ConnorJC]

Nacho why the push for my lynch? You misrepped connor to try and get him to join me.

Misrepped? I'm not familiar with that term.

[ConnorJC]

ConnorJC. Your constantly following Nacho. I'm not the first to mention that.

Hard claim would be naming the specific PR.

[Lovesick]

If a player produces lots of original ideas that is a town read. Not producing original ideas can be a scum read, because scum players struggle to produce their own (good quality) reads, as they are based on something the scum player knows isn't true.

You haven't contributed enough imho, my post wasn't a defensive post, it was more of a nascent scum read on you.

[...]

Players You Haven't Made Reads On

These players you haven't made a read on at all. Now I think would be a good time.
1) Toblerone
2) LicketyQuickety
3) FancyPants
4) Nacho (You say that you have ill feelings about him in post 132 but then get annoyed at me I say you think he is sketchy, post 157.)

(Anyone know who to embed Youtube videos, I was gonna embed High Contrast's Lovesick, an absolute banger.

Answer these.

No not really, having good reads can literally mean nothing other than the opinion and thoughts on others. It's easy to see the flaws in other players' posts and etc; it's equally as easy to point them out. Clearly you haven't seen or played in a game full of players that have the same kind of experience as Nacho if you think that originality automatically means town.

I think in terms of posts and in terms of reading my playstyle, emotions; opinions on matters it has been enough. Your post trying to counteract what I had said - which was purely speculation and observation - is trying to defend yourself along with trying to make it seem like I automatically feel that you are scum only because I dont like the way you have been behaving. Just to prove your flakiness, the situation wih dominator is a prime example. He hadn't responded throughout the game and you were pushing him towards scum now that he has made posts which are literally of him agreeing with things, asking questions and putting some input into old conversations he is suddenly now town for you. I think you've proven my own point here but that may just be me

[ConnorJC]

ConnorJC. Your constantly following Nacho. I'm not the first to mention that.

It's interested that you're still pushing me+nacho but not me+LQ.

Whoops wrong comment with that quote. EBWOP

[Lovesick]

Omg lovestick its the dominator not denominator

Oh shit, im sorry its just some words click for me as others, didnt mean to do that lol

[TheDominator37]

Oh, sorry, forgot to add this:

That's L-2

I am now inclined to vote Dom. I don;t know what his game is - it just seems nuts either as town or a scum.

I will not put him on L-1 though until it has been discussed more. I am going out in 30 mins and won't be back for the rest of the evening

I assume that Dom will now not be replaced as he has posted - if not then I would agree with a lynch as he is about as much use as a chocolate teapot.

But a chocolate teapot is usefull

[TheDominator37]

@Dom can you answer my question from 127,
"can you explain why you voted for me?"

What do you mean by pressure vote? Can you elaborate.
What results did this pressure vote yield, e.g. any reads as a result?

I wasn't really active enough to pursue it correctly but if anything I thought you were a little defensive. Your slot is too confusing though I'm getting town and scum vibes from you so null

[TheDominator37]

Nacho why the push for my lynch? You misrepped connor to try and get him to join me.

Misrepped? I'm not familiar with that term.

Misrepresented- when someone says one thing and another person distorts that to acheive a goal. In our case you had your readlist and nacho said that you should vote for me because I was your biggest scum read.

[ConnorJC]

Nacho why the push for my lynch? You misrepped connor to try and get him to join me.

Misrepped? I'm not familiar with that term.

Misrepresented- when someone says one thing and another person distorts that to acheive a goal. In our case you had your readlist and nacho said that you should vote for me because I was your biggest scum read.

I see, thanks.

[Plotinus]

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Superhans

(L-4): TheDominator37

TheDominator37

(L-2): Nachomamma8, Rautherdir, ConnorJC

Nachomamma8

(L-4): LicketyQuickety

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(4): Lovesick, toblerone187,

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[Superhans]

I think in terms of posts and in terms of reading my playstyle, emotions; opinions on matters it has been enough. Your post trying to counteract what I had said - which was purely speculation and observation - is trying to defend yourself along with trying to make it seem like I automatically feel that you are scum only because I dont like the way you have been behaving. Just to prove your flakiness, the situation wih dominator is a prime example. He hadn't responded throughout the game and you were pushing him towards scum now that he has made posts which are literally of him agreeing with things, asking questions and putting some input into old conversations he is suddenly now town for you. I think you've proven my own point here but that may just be me

Why are you misrepresenting me, I never said TheDominator was town, I said he was far less scum and my opinion of him would only improve as he continued contributing. You think it is town play to put words into my mouth?

Also can you hurry up a bit on those reads.

@TheDominator,
I can think of at least one good use of a solid chocolate teapot

[TheDominator37]

ConnorJC- Sheeps nacho way to much for my liking but the way he's being manipulated by nacho makes me think xthat if nacho is scum than connor is town. So overall slight town lean
Rautherdir- I'm still confused whether or not it was PR claim so idk.
toblerone187- Kind of mixing in with the crowd but has mae a few good points. Town
Superhans- Getting mixed feelings so null but most likely is the same allignment as rauth
Lovesick- I little to much IIOA for me. Slight scum lean
FancyPants- A little lurky at the start (heh) but had a nice sentrance slight town lean
LicketyQuickety- Can not ever find scum intentions in his posts. Moves town discussion along. Town
TheDominator37- My PM is green so Town
Nachomamma8- Is tunneling me and is manipulating others into voting me. Scum

VOTE: nacho

[TheDominator37]

A chocolate teapot is good for iced tea

[Rautherdir]

UNVOTE:

Thank you for the reads, Dominator.

[Superhans]

@TheDominator
You believe that at this point in the game Nacho is the most likely to be scum.

Do you agree with his logic that Rautherdir is most likely to be a noob based on the fact noobs never fakeclaim in Rautherdir's situation.

Fakeclaiming is a skill that most newbies haven't quite learned until they've played a few games, which means they're typically too conservative with fakeclaiming as opposed to too aggressive. Fakeclaiming a PR early as scum in this setup is suicidal, meaning that an experienced player wouldn't advise them to fakeclaim prematurely. Truthfully claiming prematurely as town is a pretty frequent phenomenon; you have a role, you have no idea when and if you're supposed to out it, you don't want to get lynched without claiming it.

Your argument that scum and town both out early is not a good one; scum and town deal with pressure in different ways in this particular situation. Scum typically try other tactics (lurking out pressure, AtEing, OMGUSing) before resorting to claiming their role while town who misjudges momentum tends to claim their role pretty quickly.

There was very clear pressure on R and that can scare Scum and Town into premature claiming in a newbie game.

Find me one newbie game where scum prematurely claimed PR.

Nacho seems exceedingly convinced that scum has never prematurely claimed PR in a newbie game... Being an experienced player yourself, do you think that Nacho is relying on us to not actually go looking through Newbie games to try and find examples as it would be a very tedious and time consuming process, or do you think that in this case Nacho is making a valid point, even though you may still think that overall he is scum?